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Ether 16-04-2013 19:48
Alliance Scores Histogram
 
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Weeks 1 thru 7: ... 77 Events, 2509 Teams, 12806 Alliance Scores for 6403 Qual Matches.

ablatner 16-04-2013 21:18
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Could you post the data as an ogive?

Ether 16-04-2013 22:12
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Originally Posted by ablatner (Post 1262956)
Could you post the data as an ogive?
Yes.

ablatner 16-04-2013 22:27
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Thanks!

Dreams2Reality 17-04-2013 00:51
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Can you post a chart for MSC only as a comparison?

Ether 17-04-2013 08:52
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Originally Posted by Dreams2Reality (Post 1263103)
Can you post a chart for MSC only as a comparison?
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Racer26 17-04-2013 09:30
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Yeeeeah. MSC was a whole different game. The competition level was unmatched, the only regionals that even got close were Waterloo and GTRWest, and they don't even hold a candle to it.

Way to go Michigan!

Nemo 17-04-2013 10:07
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D is for Data, that's good enough for me...

[munch munch munch munch]

Ether 17-04-2013 10:11
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Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1263180)
Yeeeeah. MSC was a whole different game. The competition level was unmatched, the only regionals that even got close were Waterloo and GTRWest, and they don't even hold a candle to it.

Way to go Michigan!
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Racer26 17-04-2013 11:26
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That last graph is a bit deceiving since you took the 'all events' line off.

Visually, GTRWest+Waterloo look like they match the 'all events' line, relative to MSC, but in actuality, they're quite a bit stronger if you look at the numbers.

Racer26 17-04-2013 11:34
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The graphs are interesting though.

Unsurprising that GTRW/Waterloo are very similar (both late season, both in the same geographical region, and both with MANY of the same teams).

Whats interesting to me is the slope differential. MAR seems to have a taller slope (which I believe equates to a narrower band of 'average' scores, meaning tighter competition), but the top end lines up with GTRWest and Waterloo fairly well, while MSC is stronger.

I think that would suggest that GTRW/Waterloo/MAR all have fairly similar max-score (which I would say is primarily a function of the 'best 2' robots), while MSC is higher throughout the curve. It also suggests to me that MAR's midrange teams are on average stronger, which makes sense, since its an invitation only event.

M.O'Reilly 17-04-2013 11:42
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Pretty cool/relieving to see the data support that MARC was a tough event. Not as tough as MSC, but also there are about half the teams in the region, so the competition won't be quite as high at MARC. Until this point, MARC was receiving a lot of criticism for well known teams declining to attend. I also couldn't help but notice that the game strategy in the region was a little different than every where else due to the defensive, rough-and-tumble nature of many teams in the area. Motors ran hot at the conclusion of each match.

M.O'Reilly 17-04-2013 11:46
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Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1263255)
The graphs are interesting though.

I think that would suggest that GTRW/Waterloo/MAR all have fairly similar max-score (which I would say is primarily a function of the 'best 2' robots), while MSC is higher throughout the curve. It also suggests to me that MAR's midrange teams are on average stronger, which makes sense, since its an invitation only event.
I think the data actually suggests that max match scores at the Canada events were higher than MAR (b/c of aforementioned teams), but there was a faster drop-off in competition after the top teams. Whereas MAR had lower maximums and consistently higher average scores as you said. The lack of many floor pick-up bots, and fast 30 point climbers kept max scores in check. Matches were shoot 'til you die, and if you can't cycle 4 times, you can't keep up, so play defense. In nearly every elim. match, at least one side went through all white and colored discs at the loader station.

Ether 17-04-2013 12:56
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A histogram may answer some of the questions.

DonRotolo 18-04-2013 21:21
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Well, that 171 score in MAR is ours...and we lost that match :ahh:

Thank you Ether for posting all this data.

ToddF 21-04-2013 13:26
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Would it be possible to report on winning match scores only?

Ether 21-04-2013 14:55
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1265709)
Would it be possible to report on winning match scores only?
Do you mean a histogram of alliance winning scores?

ToddF 21-04-2013 15:25
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Yes. Histogram and ogive. It's interesting to put the data for all the alliances and just the winning alliance scores on the same graph.

Ether 21-04-2013 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1265751)
Yes. Histogram and ogive. It's interesting to put the data for all the alliances and just the winning alliance scores on the same graph.
Check back later this evening. I'm pulling the wheels and inspecting the brakes on my daughter's car right now.

Ether 21-04-2013 16:40
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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1265780)
Check back later this evening. I'm pulling the wheels and inspecting the brakes on my daughter's car right now.
Never seen this before. Does anyone know how to get the hubcaps off a 98 Chevy Lumina? The "lugnuts" appear to be plastic. Old-fashioned prying of the hubcap rim doesn't seem to be the solution, so... are those plastic "lugnuts" holding the hubcap on? And if so, am I supposed to pry them off or screw them off (and if so, left or right?).

If it were my car, I'd just put a tire iron on it and find out. But it's my daughter's car...

qzrrbz 21-04-2013 16:57
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GM had a few years where the plastic lugnuts screwed onto the real ones underneath. Try a soft set of vise grips to unscrew the plastic ones. Is there a lugnut key in the glove box somewhere, too?

Ether 21-04-2013 17:02
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unscrew the plastic ones
are the threads left or right handed?

Joe Ross 21-04-2013 18:27
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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1265788)
Never seen this before. Does anyone know how to get the hubcaps off a 98 Chevy Lumina? The "lugnuts" appear to be plastic. Old-fashioned prying of the hubcap rim doesn't seem to be the solution, so... are those plastic "lugnuts" holding the hubcap on? And if so, am I supposed to pry them off or screw them off (and if so, left or right?).

If it were my car, I'd just put a tire iron on it and find out. But it's my daughter's car...
See step 6. http://www.ehow.com/how_2314153_chan...chevrolet.html

Ether 21-04-2013 19:22
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Well I followed Step6 and broke the plastic nut off. Underneath it was what looked for all the world like another plastic nut.

Life was a lot simpler with my 67 Impala, 68 Camaro, and 72 LeMans.

Flimsor 21-04-2013 19:49
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I'm curious, what was the high score for all matches?

Ether 21-04-2013 21:03
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Todd, is this what you had in mind? I can change it if not.

ToddF 21-04-2013 22:03
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I had in mind "wins" and "all".

You will see why in a day or so...

Ether 21-04-2013 22:10
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1266026)
I had in mind "wins" and "all".
Do you want "all" to be "wins+losses" or "wins+losses+ties"?

Do you want the Y axis to be a percentage or a number of scores?

Ether 21-04-2013 22:34
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Code:


3216 red  wins
3127 blue wins
  60 ties
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6403 total matches

ToddF 22-04-2013 07:14
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"all" = "wins+losses+ties"

Y axis to be a percentage

Ether 22-04-2013 08:51
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1266117)
Y axis to be a percentage
Would you like it to be a percentage of:

1) all/all, and wins/wins, or

2) all/all, and wins/all ?

Chris Fultz 22-04-2013 09:07
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Crossroads seemed to be a high scoring event, especially elims.
Can you add it to the histogram with the few other events?

ToddF 22-04-2013 11:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1266136)
Would you like it to be a percentage of:

1) all/all, and wins/wins, or

2) all/all, and wins/all ?
1) all/all, and wins/wins

Just out of curiosity, what software tool are you using? I just had a class in mathcad, and am developing a tool to predict match scores. I'm using your data from this year to check it.

Joe Ross 22-04-2013 12:00
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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1266140)
Crossroads seemed to be a high scoring event, especially elims.
Can you add it to the histogram with the few other events?
Chris, you might be interested in Jim Zondag's plot that compares all events both in average OPR and in competitiveness (standard deviation of OPR). http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=21

Ether 22-04-2013 12:04
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1266211)
1) all/all, and wins/wins
OK, see attached.

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Just out of curiosity, what software tool are you using?
AWK scripts: parse/sort/select raw data and perform simple math
RLaB or Delphi: all the linear algebra stuff for least squares (e.g. OPR etc)
Excel and/or gnuplot: charts & graphs

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I just had a class in mathcad, and am developing a tool to predict match scores. I'm using your data from this year to check it.
Do you want the histogram and ogive data?

Ether 22-04-2013 12:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 1266140)
Crossroads seemed to be a high scoring event, especially elims.
Can you add it to the histogram with the few other events?
Sure. I'll work on that next.

Ether 22-04-2013 13:04
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Sure. I'll work on that next.
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ToddF 22-04-2013 14:35
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One more refinement... Can you change the units on the histogram from percent to number of matches?

Ether 22-04-2013 14:38
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1266339)
One more refinement... Can you change the units on the histogram from percent to number of matches?
OK. Give me a few minutes.

Ether 22-04-2013 14:50
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OK. Give me a few minutes.
attached

ToddF 22-04-2013 14:56
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Lovely. Thanks.

ToddF 23-04-2013 13:27
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To make the ogive graph from post #35 even more interesting, could you add the (L+T) ogive?

Ether 23-04-2013 15:26
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To make the ogive graph from post #35 even more interesting, could you add the (L+T) ogive?
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Ether 23-04-2013 16:06
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Does anyone have the Qual Match Results data for 2012 or earlier years in a delimited, fixed-field, or CSV text file? I've had a request to post some comparative graphs for previous years but I don't have the data handy.

Micah Chetrit 02-05-2013 22:09
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Do you mind making a championship version of this? I'd like to see how much champs is better than this. Thanks!

Ether 03-05-2013 10:39
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Originally Posted by Micah Chetrit (Post 1271682)
Do you mind making a championship version of this?
What does the pronoun "this" refer to? There are many different charts in this thread, and there's no context in your post available for disambiguation.

Attached is an ogive of CMP vs MSC for comparison.

Micah Chetrit 06-05-2013 17:44
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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1271848)
What does the pronoun "this" refer to? There are many different charts in this thread, and there's no context in your post available for disambiguation.

Attached is an ogive of CMP vs MSC for comparison.
My bad, I was wanting to see CMP vs week 1-7 as an ogive, although the graph you posted is very interesting. thanks!

vishnum 06-05-2013 18:16
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What software do you use to make these graphs?

geomapguy 06-05-2013 18:35
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How about the events in Texas-Louisiana vs. MSC and overall

Alamo
Bayou
Dallas
Hub City
Lone Star

MrRiedemanJACC 06-05-2013 22:53
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Am I reading this that MSC was at the 50% level 30 points per alliance higher than the Championship? At the 90% it was almost 20 points higher?


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