Chief Delphi - World Rankings

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I used the First in Michigan point system to calculate rankings for each of the 75 regionals and combine them into a world ranking. See the attached spreadsheet.

Here's the scoring system, from the FiM Rules Supplement

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POINT CATEGORY POINTS                                         POINTS                 

Win-Loss Record in Qualifying Rounds                                                         

Win                                                         2

Tie                                                         1

Final Alliance Captains After Picking                                                         

#1 Alliance Captain                                         16                

#2 Alliance Captain                                         15                

#3 Alliance Captain down to #8 Alliance Captain         14 down to 9                 

Draft Order by Acceptance                                                         

#1 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                 16                        

#2 Draft Pick (Accepted)                                 15                        

#3Draft Pick down to #16 Draft Pick                         14 down to 1                                 

Elimination Round Performance                                                         

Winning Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                30                        

Second Pick                                                24        

Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                20                        

Second Pick                                                16        

Semi Finalist Alliance Teams:                                                         

Alliance Captain and First Pick                                10                        

Second Pick                                                8        

Awards                                                         

Industrial Design                                         5                

Quality                                                 5        

Excellence in Engineering                                 5                        

Innovation in Control                                         5                

Creativity                                                 5        

Entrepreneurship                                         5                

Team Spirit                                                 2        

Gracious Professionalism                                 2                        

Imagery                                                 2        

Highest Rookie Seed                                         2                

Industrial Safety                                         2                

Judges Award                                                 2        

Rookie Inspiration                                         2

Like FiM, I only counted a team's first two events. However, since a majority of teams only play one event, I did not want to overly punish a team for only playing one event, and multiplied their point values by 2 (which assumes they would have done just as well at a second event). Additionally, in Michigan, everyone plays 12 matches per event. However, at other regionals, teams play as few as 8 matches. Since teams earn points for Wins and Ties, I normalized every event wins and ties points based on the actual number of matches played, based on 12 matches and rounded.

I have also included the results prior to normalization for comparison.

Congratulations to team 1986 for having the highest score in both the normalized and unnormalized results. For teams that only attended a single regional, team 955 had the best normalized result and team 4265 had the best unnormalized result.

All tiebreakers were implemented, however, there was still 1 tie, team 1571 and 3527 had the same points, Elim Score, Best Elims Draft Score, Best Draft, QP, Wins, and 3 highest scores.

Let me know if you find any errors. The alliance selection data was taken from the 2013 Alliance Selection thread, and there may be errors or typos.

Re: World Rankings

How did you determine what teams where alliance captains and 1st picks, etc.?

Re: World Rankings

Thread that has been going on all season

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by stingray27 (Post 1262920)

How did you determine what teams where alliance captains and 1st picks, etc.?

The Alliance selection thread would be most helpful there...

Re: World Rankings

Yeah ok. Thanks. I had known about that thread and was wondering if there was actually any "official" data out there regarding alliance selection and how the draft had played out at each tournament. I have been wondering about it for a while to see if I would be able to parse it from somewhere for my app....

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by stingray27 (Post 1262926)

Joe has been going through the Alliance Selections thread over the past week or two, correcting and adding results from various regionals. As for parsing, alliance member with the highest rank is automatically the captain, but telling the 1st pick from the 2nd pick can't be done using the online data provided by first. Well, except that any pick with a rank higher than the lowest captain had to have been the alliance's first pick.

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by stingray27 (Post 1262926)

FIRST has the data, but doesn't publish it. Ed Law does a good job guessing the ambiguous cases using OPR in his scouting spreadsheet, but that's not that great when you get to the 6th, 7th, and 8th seeds with the serpentine. As others said, I used the alliance selection thread, and supplemented with other sources when needed.

Re: World Rankings

Ok. Well, thanks to all those who helped put this information online for those to use, and thanks Joe for compiling this information.

Is there anyway we can get FIRST to supply this information or put it somewhere online? I know it would be of great use for FIRST in Michigan, private applications and just to use in general. Possibly add it to the elimination schedule page on the FIRST information or FMS feed, or possibly organize the stations certain seeds are for their first matches, then randomize them after that. Anything would be nice....

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by stingray27 (Post 1262934)

Is there anyway we can get FIRST to supply this information or put it somewhere online? I know it would be of great use for FIRST in Michigan,

FiM gets the data directly from the FTA. See http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...82&postcount=3

Re: World Rankings

Team 103 is ranked 103 with 103 points...

Re: World Rankings

Are week 7 events (specifically MAR and FiM Championships) included in this?

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by nukemknight (Post 1262937)

Team 103 is ranked 103 with 103 points...

That is the only occurrence of all three matching. Team 11 is ranked 11. No other team has the same number of points as their team number.

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1262940)

Are week 7 events included in this?

The Chesapeake regional is included. The Michigan and MAR championships are not. Since each team at the championships were already involved in 2 events, it wouldn't have impacted the rankings.

Re: World Rankings

I am assuming that no points were given for Engineering Inspiration or Chairman's Awards? I don't see them on the charts...just the other awards like spirit and safety, etc
i guess this is an artifact of using the FiM system. They don't give ranking points for these awards because they qualify directly for the State Championship... Normally teams that win one of these bigger awards don't receive any of the other awards that ARE given points under the FiM rules..

Re: World Rankings

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Originally Posted by stingray27 (Post 1262934)

Is there anyway we can get FIRST to supply this information or put it somewhere online? I know it would be of great use for FIRST in Michigan, private applications and just to use in general. Possibly add it to the elimination schedule page on the FIRST information or FMS feed, or possibly organize the stations certain seeds are for their first matches, then randomize them after that. Anything would be nice....

I have asked FIRST to make this Draft Order data available on several occasions over the past 4 years. Nothing. Not sure if the requests ever got past Bill. We very much want this in Michigan since our District Rankings depend on the draft order. We could automate all the FiM standings, but we are missing this one slice of data from each event. The way it is now, We must manually enter this data each week.

I requested this again about 2 weeks ago. Frank Merrick immediately replied and requested a followup discussion after the CMP.
I think we will finally get this issue resolved for 2014.