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First time in Archimedes, so excited.
Does anyone know who the regular MC and Game Announcer team are on Archimedes? Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division. It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct. Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier. If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me. Team List: 11 20 33 51 71 78 126 172 236 254 291 314 316 321 326 365 379 433 469 525 639 694 701 801 812 836 840 846 868 910 930 948 955 973 987 1011 1071 1075 1100 1334 1448 1519 1595 1610 1660 1714 1747 1756 1796 1836 1868 1902 1967 2016 2081 2137 2165 2408 2415 2457 2468 2486 2590 2604 2614 2704 2705 2709 2959 3003 3008 3044 3145 3242 3245 3310 3314 3467 3478 3504 3612 3627 4067 4265 4450 4466 4470 4471 4499 4501 4537 4545 4585 4589 4637 4673 4731 4753 4810 ARCHI |
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This division is gonna be insane. I can see multiple alliances coming from Archimedes with a legitimate chance at a 90pt auto.
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MEDES!
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Really Pumped to be rocking Archimedes this year guys!
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Just looking at, this is one stacked division. We need some statistics to see what it's like for depth but at the top there are lots of potential contenders for the crown: 11, 20, 33, 254, 469, 973, 987, 1334, 2590... the list goes on. I could see any of these leading an alliance to Einstein.
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930 is super pumped to be in Archimedes once again. We found out yesterday that we got in on the wait list, so everything's a blur right now
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Archi is stacked.
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Wow, this is going to be a competitive division for sure, I can't wait to see how things play out. :D
Also, we are not on Curie for the third year in a row! |
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-MEDES!
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The RoboBees are excited to be in the Archimedes Division.
We are excited to be playing with some old friends and definitely count on making some new ones. See you all in a week! |
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This will be a pretty competitive division. A NJ alliance would be awesome.
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2705 WE ROBOT is excited to be in Archimedes!
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We're pumped!
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WOW, This is gonna be great!!@
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Anybody know where to get Archimedes Division banners to go in the CD signature?
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Yikes, so many good teams!
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I'll be honest: I'm intimidated. But you can bet it's going to be a blast. See you guys out there!
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A lot of good Michigan talent here.. A lot of World Wide talent here.. Let's win one for Archimedes!
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If anyone would like to help fill out a google docs pre-scouting sheet for all the teams, here you go! I separated a few columns out already but feel free to add more or any extra notes, can't wait to play on this field!!
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Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FN2U5bXc#gid=5 |
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Team 2408's first time going to World for FRC. Good luck to all the other 'medes teams!
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Judging by the team list "autonomedes" is probably a more appropriate name for this division.
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973 is hunting down high quality pictures for the division, we are missing the following teams;
4265 3310 126 316 236 3314 1796 3145 326 2457 1595 930 2408 1660 172 3044 1756 4466 1714 3008 4067 2709 4731 2704 433 4589 1448 3612 4545 3478 4637 3504 4753 4537 2081 321 Also, a good deal of the teams we have are from FRC Tracker, where the picture quality is awful (and often the edges of the robot are distorted by pits, people, etc...). So any and all decent pictures are appreciated! We post a .zip of the pics as we near completion to help everyone out. |
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Wow...lots of good teams.....what FCS (full court shooters) do we have? 314,326,365,236,2137?
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interesting division to say the least.
lots of MAR teams and lots of MSC teams and lots of West coast teams... very well setup I believe as a division. It is a deep field. Early tweaking on the following teams, 2 midline autonomous teams (987, 469) and 3 7 disc autonomous (2590, 254, 33) teams should provide for a very interesting setup. Potentially having two alliances with a 15 disc autonomous.... which would creating an interesting battle for midline discs.. should be fun, should be interesting. time to start tweaking our strategy for the division :). |
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Anyone know how many 30 point climbers there are?
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Anyone know who is FTAing this field? That's what I want to know
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I believe we have Jerry Budd, as of right now, they have moved FTA's after the fact before. Since we can't have Rob, he's a good one to have.
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How about MC/Announcing?
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And 1334. |
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33 + 836. The bee alliance
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Comparing divisions, Archimedes looks like it will have the most competitive elims alliances......note the hump out to the 10th ranked team.
Looks like Newton has a pretty big gap to the other 3 divisions. Still, lots of great teams in all 4 sections. Should be great! ![]() |
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My cursory alliance selection estimates had the top 4 alliances averaging over 200 points. Should be ridiculous.
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Interesting graph, thanks for posting. |
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Since North Carolina, we've been making a variety of improvements (that - in true MAYHEM fashion - we're still finishing) that should increase both our scoring potential and reliability/accuracy... Currently working on improving our climber, shooter accuracy into the 3pt goal, and flexibility of shooting positions. Looking forward to playing with plenty of allies & friends while also making many more! Archimedes certainly looks to be a strong division, boasting one of the biggest top tiers (as Jim Zondag pointed out) and some of the finest multi-disc autos! |
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We have definitely focused on the FCShot especially the 2pter at Hub City and Alamo although we did shoot some at the 3pter at Alamo. We have been working on tweaking the 3pter as well as shooting from different locations to get these shots off. Mobility has been important to our shooting all year rather than camp and shoot. |
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Wow this will be fun! Great to be playing with some old and hopefully new friends! 1519, 78, and 126 woot woot! :)
3467 is extremely excited to be playing in Archimedes and after a fun weekend at Pine Tree, we can't wait to get back on the field and up that pyramid with Skip5.3!!! Funny how Archimedes is the division with the fastest 30 point climber on the East Coast (3467) 18secs* and the West Coast (254) 7secs! *Still shaving away time before STL. |
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This division's strategy is going to be very interesting, there is a large crop of top tier intake bots, probably going to see teams trying to setup 90 point auto alliances. It will be interested to see, given the top intake bots pair up, what they decide to go with for their final pick. A FCS to load them up with discs? A cycler, because there is a good crop of solid and consistent cyclers? Or perhaps one of the climbers that may even have a dump in their back pocket? Alliance selections are going to be very interesting and it looks like a lot of really good robots aren't going to be playing past lunch on Saturday, it is going to be a dog fight to scrap into the elimination rounds. I cannot wait.
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I haven't been to the CMP in about 5 years. Last time I came there were maybe 70 teams in each division. Because there are almost 100 per division, is it likely that a Cinderella team or two seeds in the top 8 due to match schedule? Has this been the case recently since the divisions became so inflated (discounting 2010, of course)?
My reasoning: only ~8-10 matches per team, means a maximum of 20 alliance partners and 30 opponents. This samples only 50% of the field, max. That is to say, with a favorable match schedule, there's hope for the little guy to make elims... even the rookies! Go underdogs! |
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To quote tim-tim from earlier this season "THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!"
Archimedes is going to be action packed. |
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The LuNaTeCs are super excited to be going to the championship this year. It's been a while since we've earned ourselves a spot. Archimedes is going to be awesome indeed; can't wait! :D |
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30 pt climbers and dumpers:
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Hello all! I'm a student from team 2959, the CW Tech Robotarians. This is our first time attending Worlds and we're psyched to be in Archimedes with all these wonderful bots! We've met with some of the teams before and we're excited to meet with them again. We just wrote an app for data collection for an iPad that we've been using to take data at the Bedford competition and State. While it isn't perfect yet, we've been getting very accurate data from it. We were wondering if any teams would like to share, compare, or collaborate data with us. We've found the way to get the most accurate data is by sharing and comparing so we'd love to find some teams to pair up with for the critical data taking process.
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Sorry for the slow turnaround, here is Team 930's robot. We changed our hanger design between Wisconsin and Crossroads, as well as adding a few more aesthetic touches ;]
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Hm, only one MN team on Archi out of 15 going to Champs. Good luck 2705!
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Team 3467 is curious if any teams would like to collaborate scouting, and share data, to lesson scouting for one singular team. This way everyone can enjoy championships and not spend hours of this life time opportunity scouting and going mad :P. If any team in Archimedes is interested please Private Message me.
Please and Thank you, and i can not wait to compete with every team in this division. |
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973 won't jump in on the collab'd scouting at event, but we'd love to share in the picture hunt.
We have 80+ teams already, probably 30-40 of which could be better quality. I'm leaving for a trip now, but our scouts will take over from here and post an updated list of teams soon. Maybe even dump the current pictures in a publically available spot for everyone. |
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Got the email today, I'll be volunteering on Archimedes (where it all started for me ten seasons ago). Can't wait for next week!
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[quote=jblay;1263540]First time in Archimedes, so excited.
Does anyone know who the regular MC and Game Announcer team are on Archimedes? Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division. It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct. Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier. If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me. Amazing and this will honestly help alot of teams with not only pit scouting but with the Scouting Excel sheets all the head scouters are compiling this weekend. |
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469 just put out what i think is a 50 point climb and dump teaser... of king kong
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I am really looking forward to the Championship and the Archimedes Division this year.
There are so many great teams (more and more as I am doing my homework) in a very deep field, including an astounding seven former World Champs: 51, 71, 254, 365, 469, 973, and 987, two of the fastest climbers, several multi-disc autonomous machines, high scoring FCS's, and many of the best cycler teams in FIRST. It's going to be awesome and I can't wait to get to St. Louis. I always enjoy the Championships to reconnect with old friends and make new ones. Archimedes has a number of familiar teams we are looking forward to seeing again including: Former 987 CMP Alliance Partners: Team 51 - Curie Division Champs, 2011 Team 71 - Galileo, 2009 Team 365 - Archimedes Division Finalists, 2008 Former 987 CMP Opponents: Team 11 - Archimedes 2008 Team 33 - Newton 2007 Team 71 - Einstein 2007, Archimedes 2008, Curie 2011 Team 78 - Curie 2012 Team 254 - Curie 2012 Team 365 - Curie 2011 Team 525 - Curie 2012 (Thanks again for helping fix our intake after the Quarter Finals, true class) Team 1902 - Einstein 2007, Galileo 2009 Team 2081 - Archimedes 2008 Former Regional Alliance Partners: Team 254 - Winner San Diego Regional 2013, Winner San Diego Regional 2011 Team 846 - Semi Finalist, San Jose 2007 Team 973 - Finalists, Las Vegas Regional 2010 Team 3245 - Winner, Las Vegas Regional 2012 (If I missed anyone, I apologize in advance) We've competed in the same event as 469 once at IRI in 2008, but we are looking forward to seeing this year's Michigan State Champ in action. I was glued to my computer last Saturday watching all of the great matches at MSC. A few of the other teams I'm excited to see in person (other than 948 - who I saw in Ellensburg): 2590, 868, 20, 694, 1334, 316, 126, 2959.....(in no particular order and not a complete list yet by any means - I can only find and watch so much video in the last day or so) Come by the High Roller's Pit in Archimedes and say hello if I don't wander by your pit first!!! See you all in a few days, good luck, and safe travels. Trent Below are the links to the 987's Highlight videos from this year. Enjoy! San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk Las Vegas http://youtu.be/Nw3jZvXsgxM |
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I must say, I'm disappointed in Archimedes this year...
80 posts into the thread and I'm the first to say: OINK, OINK! |
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2013 has been an unbelievable year for us. It started with Woody mentioning us for our GP at kickoff. Then two regional wins, our first RCA and our first Dean's list student. Now back to champs for the fourth year in a row - we've had a year full of good luck (I guess hard work helps too.) |
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Hmmm was just thinking and thought that it would be nice if there was not only a picture of every robot but also a link to a good quality video of the robot in action...I know the google docs scouting page had a few with videos but would be cool to see everyone post a video of there robot in action.... just my thoughts
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Hello...
No sense trying to hide ours....theres video of it at Blue Alliance and pictures here already. No telling how we'll do with all the talent in this Division. |
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And good luck to 525 Swartdogs! Seeing you at Northern Lights and 10K was an experience to behold! An always impressive bot that can do the job. It was so much fun being on the same alliance in one match at 10K, and that first RCA was long-overdue. Best of luck. 3081 will be cheering you on from home :)
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Now that I have had time to really study our field, I'll share my thoughts - without, however, sharing team numbers. :)
Out of the 100 teams in Archimedes: * 7 are really, really good - any one of them could be the #1 captain * 16 others are really good and will be playing in eliminations - barring techinical problems. * 27 will need divine intervention if they are going to chosen for alliances * The other 50 will be desperately trying to separate themselves to take one of the two remaining slots. Autonomous and Ground pickup: * There are a lot of teams with good pickup systems - a lot. Those that are also consistent scorers (about 12) will make it into eliminations. * Four or five teams in eliminations with have the capability of 90 pt autonomous routines - in an effort to separate themselves, several teams with pickups will add nifty auto routines to make this possible. * In eliminations NOBODY will score 90 in autonomous because many cycler w/o pickup systems will develop auto routines that have them roll back and straddle the center disks, effectively blocking the other team from getting them. Cyclers: * There are a LOT of excellent cyclers. Those that cannot shoot full court or pick up disks will need to separate themslves somehow. There will be 20-30 good cyclers that do not make eliminations. * In an effort to separate themselves, they will try all sorts of things such as establishing auto routines that will block the midline disks from the other team or developing defensive skills showing they can stop top bots. FCS: * This is the most shallow part of our talent pool - most of the good ones tend to spend most of their time cycling as they are short and easy to block from the protected feeder. * Those who do will well need to hit 3's with 70% accuracy, be able to fire 40+ disks and can only be slowed by a designated blocker. * Those that are top-heavy are going to have problems as they can expect a lot of contact en route to the feeder. Those who land on their backsides will not make eliminations. * To be successfull, the FCS will have to have options should they face the dreaded "rookie with a pool noodle" defense. * This really narrows the field to only two or three good pure FCS - all of which should make elims. Climbers: * There are a bunch of great climbers. however, the only ones who will make elims are those who can do so quickly. The others (even with a dump) take so long to do so that they will not bring enough value to their team. (Somebody will play defense against them for the first 30 second of the match and completely prevent them from being able to get up the pyramid. Those good ones also cycle. Most like the top cycler and/or pickup bot will one of the climbers. Alliance captains will have some really tough decisions to make. A 72pt autonomous is a must. However, are they going to want one of the two or three good FCS? If the an alliance captain is a cycler w/o ground pick our FCS capabilities, this will create are real difficulty.... With 100 teams and (likely) about 10 qualification matches, I predict two undefeated teams - they could be any of those seven. The #1 captain will have a ground pickup as it will win the Autonmous tie breaker. The best FCS will be chosen with the first pick and, with the 24th overall the top alliance will choose the best cycler avialble - hopefully with ground pickup. The winning alliance will have: * At least one (prefereably 2) robots that can pick loose disks from teh ground. If only one, it will have a 7 disk auotonmomous and one other bot will have an auto routine that blocks the midline disks from the opposing alliance. * A FCS that demands the full attention of the other team. * A 30 pt climb (prefereably with a dump) by any robot. * The ability to take all 51 disks from the feeder with less than three bots. |
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Great information. I've focused most of my attention on Galileo so it is interesting to see how the divisions differ in style of play and composition. |
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254 has a accurate 6.4 second climb, and they are in Archimedes!!!
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Exactly. Plus, should the opposing team throw up a tall pool-noodle robot, the cycler could start running cycles while the FCS plays defense- thus the importance of not being too top-heavy. Mr. Pool Noodle will be left inept, unable to play offense effectively making it a 3 on 2 game for the the team employing the FCS. |
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In addition to our shooting game, no ceilings can hold us now! Team 846 has gotten the climb working, and we are continuing to work right now to shave precious seconds off it.
![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ls-stEVTN8 The next step is the same geometry, but we're not climbing for 30 on that test pyramid. We'll see what we can do on the field :) Look out for our flashlight, improved shooting, floor pickup, and climbing game on the Archimedes field! |
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I used the preliminary match schedules to simulate the matches using OPR and then calculate the standings. I used each team's best OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating their contribution to a match. I also used each team's world Auto, Teleop, and Climb OPR from Ed Law's spreadsheet for calculating the rest of the standings.
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Thanks, I'm hoping your predictions are wrong :D .
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I'll go about 81% correct. OPR calculations hover around that number.
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