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Michael Hill 27-04-2013 15:37

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1267902)
Were they in contact with the pyramid?

Not at all

cjl2625 27-04-2013 15:39

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
And that just makes them automatically lose?

EricH 27-04-2013 15:43

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjl2625 (Post 1267910)
And that just makes them automatically lose?

A Red Card, in eliminations, applies to the entire alliance. No win. No points. Automatic loss.

In qualifications, it only applies to the team that gets it, who gets nothing from the match (except a loss). In some cases, it can be applied to the entire alliance.

Joe Ross 27-04-2013 15:43

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjl2625 (Post 1267910)
And that just makes them automatically lose?

Yes, a red card is a disqualification.

Quote:

During the Elimination MATCHES, if a Team receives a RED CARD, the entire ALLIANCE is DISQUALIFIED for that MATCH.

DISQUALIFIED: the status of a TEAM, as determined by the Head Referee, in which they receive zero (0) Qualification Points in a Qualification MATCH or receive zero (0) points in, and lose, an Elimination MATCH.

tonklep 27-04-2013 15:45

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
video of the match the resulted in a red card?

Gregor 27-04-2013 15:48

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1267908)
Not at all

Since when is it called as interfering with the climb if they aren't contacting the pyramid? What's changed?

Michael Hill 27-04-2013 15:56

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1267917)
Since when is it called as interfering with the climb if they aren't contacting the pyramid? What's changed?

As 404'd said, "ligning up for a climb" is now interference.

Michael Hill 27-04-2013 16:01

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
I mean, 148 was pushed into the pyramid, but I've still never seen that penalty called for that either. At this point, it doesn't matter though.

waialua359 27-04-2013 16:27

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
POOR Head reffing.

Robby Unruh 27-04-2013 16:40

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EricH 27-04-2013 16:53

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1267922)
I mean, 148 was pushed into the pyramid, but I've still never seen that penalty called for that either. At this point, it doesn't matter though.

Once they're pushed into contact with the pyramid, there's a 20-point technical foul for intentional contact with a robot in contact with its pyramid--doesn't matter that they were pushed in. If the climber is deployed when they are pushed into the pyramid, it's reasonable to expect that they are attempting to climb, and thus they are now being interfered with while climbing, once the pyramid is contacted. Add in the 30-point climb bonus. Going by the rules as written, that's a reasonable call.

Whether or not it's been called that way all season doesn't matter--I seem to remember a set of matches where a robot's arm coming off under heavy defense didn't allow a game piece that it was attached to and was otherwise scored to score, flipping one match (no penalty given), then a few matches later a high-contact mutual hit that could have happened to anyone got a red card and disable. Hadn't been called that way all season.

Jefferson 27-04-2013 17:18

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1267976)
Once they're pushed into contact with the pyramid, there's a 20-point technical foul for intentional contact with a robot in contact with its pyramid--doesn't matter that they were pushed in.

And there is the rub with this penalty system. The referees are being asked to judge the intentions of the drivers, not just the actions. Very rarely does a driver intentionally (purposeful is what the rulebook uses) contact another robot while they are contacting the pyramid, yet it was regularly called as a technical foul on Curie. I hadn't seen it called like that in previous regionals.

kennethdharmon2 27-04-2013 17:38

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Can someone post the video or a link to this match. Also I think it was only a 20 pt Tech Foul, but that was still enough to throw the match to Red.

audietron 27-04-2013 17:48

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethdharmon2 (Post 1268004)
Can someone post the video or a link to this match. Also I think it was only a 20 pt Tech Foul, but that was still enough to throw the match to Red.

I'll post our last match of the semi finals in a couple hours from now and post a link on this thread.

Michael Hill 27-04-2013 18:30

Re: 2013 Championship Curie Division
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethdharmon2 (Post 1268004)
Can someone post the video or a link to this match. Also I think it was only a 20 pt Tech Foul, but that was still enough to throw the match to Red.

It was 20 pt. technical foul + 30 point climb foul, so a total of 50 points, essentially.


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