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1772 is excited to be competing in Galileo, I went nuts when I saw that I get to see some of the teams on that list up close, and even play with them. Division List "Ugly" Edition |
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2175 cant wait to compete with everyone in galileo
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For future reference in this thread:
27 Team RUSH 45 TechnoKats Robotics Team 70 More Martians 95 Grasshoppers 111 WildStang 118 Robonauts 125 NUTRONS 151 Tough Techs 192 GRT 222 Tigertrons 245 Adambots 295 Renevatio 329 Raiders 337 Hard Working Hard Hats 358 Robotic Eagles 384 Sparky 384 422 Mech Tech Dragons 447 Team Roboto 467 Shrewsbury Colonials 578 Red Raider Robotics 610 The Coyotes 744 Shark Attack 842 Falcon Robotics 1086 Blue Cheese 1114 Simbotics 1218 Vulcan Robotics 1241 THEORY6 1323 MadTown Robotics 1325 Inverse Paradox 1378 Hilo Viking Robotics 1405 Finney Falcons 1425 Error Code Xero 1429 TEAM KAOS 1477 Texas Torque 1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo) 1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad 1710 The Ravonics Revolution 1726 N.E.R.D.S. (Nifty Engineering Robotics Design Squad) 1732 Hilltoppers 1772 The Brazilian Trail Blazers 1801 The Dapper Dans 1806 S.W.A.T. 1912 Team Combustion 1987 Broncobots 2000 TEAM ROCK 2046 Bear Metal 2169 KING TeC 2175 The Fighting Calculators 2199 Robo-Lions 2259 1/4 Twenties 2337 EngiNERDs 2338 Gear It Forward 2341 Sprockets 2403 Plasma Robotics 2474 Excel 2481 Roboteers 2485 WARLords 2502 Talon Robotics 2512 Duluth East Daredevils 2630 Thunderbolts 2648 Infinite Loop 2729 Storm Robotics Team 2809 K-Botics 2834 Bionic Barons 2907 Lion Robotics 2978 Cavaliers 3018 Nordic Storm 3132 Thunder Down Under 3189 Circuit Breakers 3211 The Y Team 3284 Camdenton 4H LASER Team 3459 Team PyroTech 3481 Bronc Botz 3528 Up Next! 3641 The Flying Toasters 3656 Dreadbots 3941 Absolute Zero Electricity 3944 All Knights 4011 pirhobotics 4026 Global Dynamics 4039 MakeShift Robotics 4069 Lo-Ellen Robotics 4158 Leilehua Robotics 4334 Alberta Tech Alliance ( ATA) 4452 First Noble Team 4462 Full Metal Jackets 4472 Super NOVA 4481 The Rembrandts 4492 Chrono 4502 The Octo? 4522 Team SCREAM 4541 Cavaliers 4557 FullMetal Falcons 4579 RoboEagles 4601 Circuit Birds 4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.) 4627 IRON MANNING 4641 Red Oak Robotics 4797 Bryant HS |
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3211 The Y Team and 2630 Thunderbolts will represent Israel at Galileo. Can't wait to take part in what is, absolutely objectively, the best division.
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1912 is excited to be on Galileo for the first time in team history. Looking forward to some great matches!
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447 Team Roboto is also excited to be back on Galileo!! Good luck to everyone and see you next week!
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All joking aside, we are excited to be in Galileo. Looks like there are some real powerhouse teams that are older as well as some newer dominant teams. Should be a good showing. |
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In Rookies 4334 and 4452 are the two I recognize.
4452 Being Undefeated at Peachtree in Quals. 4334 Canadian West Champs. |
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4 Neutrino mentors have connections to this division through their old teams:
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad 1710 The Ravonics Revolution 2502 Talon Robotics (2 mentors). Also happy to see a few of the teams who defeated us at KC and North Star. 1806 S.W.A.T (Kansas City) 2175 The Fighting Calculators (North Star) 4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.) (North Star) I will definitely have to watch this division. |
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While we're all waiting for some useful data to be generated, here's where all the teams are from:
9 - Michigan 7 - Ontario, Texas 6 - Minnesota, Missouri 5 - California, New York 4 - Arizona, Maryland, Virginia 3 - Illinois, Washington, Wisconsin 2 - Alberta, Hawaii, Indiana, Israel, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania 1 - Australia, Brazil, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Netherlands, North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Quebec, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia |
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Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.
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Galileo has three of my favorite canidates to be excellent 3rd partners. |
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Team 1732 is looking forward to playing on Galileo with our winning alliance partners from the Wisconsin Regional, 111 and 2338!
Also there, our friends from WI, 1675! |
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Cool to see the 2 teams that helped us qualify are in the same division as us (Thanks 1732 and 111)! 2338 is counting down the days for champs!
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i count 5 or 6 7 disk autons
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two extremely good bots on this field with 1114 and 118; 610 isn't too shabby either. I'm very interested to see how this plays out.
Good luck, looking forward to seeing the teams there! |
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Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division.
It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct. Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier. If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me. |
I just went off the team number and guessed. I didn't look them up or anything.
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Who are the 7 disk autonomous teams?
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Good things to know. Anyone up for a giant shared online scouting database at the competition let me know and I'll give you the details of how we'll do it.
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610, 1114, 4334.
The new Eh Team? |
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Unlikely considering if 1114 seeds first the chances of them getting both of those teams isn't that good.
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It's going to be interesting competing against one the Calgary rookie teams and 1772, the Brazilian team we competed against in the Calgary regional. I don't like the lack of floor pickups in this division. Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division? |
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2485 also is a full court shooter
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610 can full court shoot if they so choose I am certain I saw it at BAE but I assume they much prefer cycling
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1806 is an awesome FCS
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610 is an excellent cycler, and a good FCS.
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One could argue the best cyclers in the game are 245, 610, and 1114 (though not a pure cycler with its 30pt climb).
Going to be fun to watch it all play out, but there are 96 teams in this division who are very, very aware of avoiding a real "game over" scenario in alliance selections. |
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Edit: hmm... looking at this picture, it looks they have an empty hinge out back... |
Isn't 118 capable of FCS's?
1772 is up to 5 cycles, were just tweaking accuracy now. |
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Happy to be in Galileo! See many of our favorites in here! Awesome! We are tweeking more stuff on our practice bot that we will incorporate into the competition bot. Looking forward to making some new friends and meeting some old ones!
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I would watch out for 2169. They dominated at Northern Lights this year. Didn't see them at Colorado, but I'm pretty sure they were just as good. FCS that is nearly impossible to block - and dead accurate, too. They had matches where they annihilated their opponents. 2169 is always competitive in MN, but I have a feeling they'll be an especially big player at CMP this year.
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One thing you can't deny: Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams. |
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I believe that 4334 is a FCS as well, correct?
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I'm sorry I've never heard of the term unblockable.
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http://www.simbotics.org/files/gtr_east_2013_043.jpg Let's not make everyone panic just yet.:ahh: |
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2169 and 2612 are very solid teams, both can 10 point climb and are very accurate at the full court. At the northern lights regional, they were both tearing it up.
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Thanks for the compliment! But I believe you mean 2512 not 2612. |
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1629 GaCo is ecstatic to be in this division!!!! We will get to play with some heavy hitters in the FIRST community!!! Good luck to all teams and have safe travels.
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There's a lot of good competition in this division, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
We won't really know until Saturday the 27th. |
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222 is excited to be in this awesome field of competitors. Glad to see 1218 and 2729 are also in this division representing MAR! Also glad to see we have our friends 125!
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1114 put a "Picker-upper" on their robot at the end of GTR East. In fact they have had it this whole time, Waterloo and GTR West.*
*their "Picker-upper" is a joke, they put a sticker on the front of their robot in GTR East that says "Picker-Upper" -1114 has no weight or room for a pickup. Dont expect one from them. Their climb and dump has been perfected over the seaon and I believe no one else has a more consistant/fast 50 pt climb. Their cycles are fast and are expected to seed high. The only down fall is their limit of 18 Auto points. If they are tied in Qual pts they will likely fall to 2nd, probably being picked by the 1st seed. -It'll be interesting to find out how 610 comes into the event. They had a pickup in Waterloo, I wonder if they decide to keep it on or take it off. If they stay cycling consistantly they will be a power house. -118 showed us their potential with their release video. They had a 30pt climber but rumours suggest they were over weight, forcing them to remove it. If they are able to put it back on, or bring a new one to champs they will be a force on the field. -1477 has been a great team in texas these past years. They have a 7 discs auto that has proven to be a decent feature for them. If it works every match we will see them excel in the division, likely to be a 1st pick or an alliance captain. -That little robot that could is back with a pretty decent full court shooter, 4334. Last year they were a critical part of the EH Team on Archimedes, winning the division with 1114 and 2056. If they are able to get a bit more accurate for champs with full court shooting they could again be a great asset. Some other good looking teams are 111, 1241, 245 and 125 |
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http://youtu.be/YDOuAbKbWx0 Our robot is a FCS. Depending on the strategy we do cycling or FCS. We've definitely cycled more than we have FCS so far this season. |
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Some initial scouting data based off the open scouting sheet. Looks like it's a pretty FCS heavy division, with less blockers than FCS. That is bound to change though, considering the blockers are probably the teams who don't have much data filled out.
By my estimates (admittedly not going to be very accurate), this is what ranking will probably look like:
The most surprising thing about this is that 610 and 2000 aren't in the top 8. I think that might not end up being true, seeing how close 4th-14th are in OPR. If 610 gets floor loading working and a 7-disk, they have a good chance. 111 has slipped under a lot of people's radars this year (in terms of performance). I think they have a lot of potential as a first pick. 1114 is going to have a tough time, as a lot of people have said, ranking extremely high. I'm really hopeful their climb and dump put them so far ahead that auto won't matter, but that's to be seen. (who would have guessed they would rank 66 last year!) Galileo looks like the perfect division for a second pick. It has the best distribution of OPR (more balanced), so the 17-24th best robots are bound to be pretty good. My bet right now is that the winner of Galileo will come from a 2nd, 3rd or 4th alliance. I can't wait to see what a lot of these teams have in store. * Keep an eye on 2337. Trust me. |
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Anyone know how long the climb takes? |
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1425 is another FCS (Central Washington Regional Winner) with ability to strafe and shoot if blocked.
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013wase2_f1m2 |
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Team 1772 should have a FCS blocker.
They proved to be a successful blocker against 836 at palmetto. I'm designing a simple retractable FCS blocker that extends to 84". I would keep an eye on them as a second pick if they don't end up seeding up top, which they have had a lot of luck seeding pretty high this season. Like I said they are a pretty reliable 3 Shot Auto, and with the accuracy adjustments we've made their driver control should contend with the best cyclers. |
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Here is a video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr90...e_gdata_player |
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Here's some updated stats. Please keep updating the pit scouting spreadsheet guys. I just set up the spreadsheet to update from there, so until I have some time to research that's all I can get.
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At the end of the day, it's all points, right? I look at it this way.
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end. Let's pick 118 as its analogue. Very high OPR that squeezes out extra points through its floor pickup. In a qualification match with 254 that I picked, I believe they went 6/7 on auto, made 5 cycles but missed 4 discs, and got their 10-point endgame. 1114 barely edged it out in this case, but 118 runs a cleaner game in auto or teleop where Simbots are pretty much maxed in each section of the game. 1114 would be hard pressed to get a 4th teleop cycle in their current routine. However, the dynamics of this division depends on who seeds first. If it's a floor pickup machine with a perfect 7-disc auto, they would probably pick 1114 and make their second pick a robot that could reliably deposit the discs they and 1114 can't get in their routines. If it's 1114, they have a pick of the most reliable 7-disc auto. If it's neither of those, I assume you have a very strong pure cycler. They HAVE to pick a 7-disc auto machine but if a lower seed can create an alliance with 1114 and a floor pickup machine, it would be a tight match. |
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Another thing to remember is that the current world high score is held by a cycler (1114), pickup (2056), and a full court shooter (4069). In our second regional we had programming issues, and they should be fixed for Thursday! Watch our for our laser beams!
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http://goo.gl/med1D
Automatically updating page with stats from pit scouting and our team's research. If there's any stats you'd like on it let me know. |
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Our new 5 disk autonomous!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fSJ...ature=youtu.be this is our practice bot, will transfer code to competition bot at championships. |
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Unknowingly to everyone at WCR 1772 went through Dallas before reaching their airport in Canada and apparently TSA removed the optical encoder from their shooter that they had taken with them from the previous regional in their witholding 30 LBS. Since they got the sensor from me at the Palmetto Regional Week 1 they didn't have an extra ones. So 1772 wasn't running anywhere near 100% at Calgary. But you're right even though we didn't block at WCR we'll end up blocking at some point during champs just to make sure everyone sees that we can. |
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The video for 222 seems to go to MSC 2013 Qual #111. Pretty sure they weren't there O.o
Glad to see some familiar Michigan faces in this division. Also glad to see 4334 in the same division again this year. |
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Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link
Floor pickup: 1 5 and 7 disc auto: ? :ahh: I think we have some work to do guys... |
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I will die if that's one of them who put that.
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Well, hey, fun fact, we wrote "TOP" on our drive frame after we welded it, and after grinding down said welds, our frame says "OP" on it in the middle of the V for the climber. |
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That said, I expect 1114 to be the first selection, not the first seed. They are fantastic, but I think it's more likely that a multi-discer will land with a good schedule (or at least as good as 1114's) |
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned 842 yet. They have a fantastic floor pickup and 30 point climber.
They're clearly the dark horse here. I'm rooting for them and all Michigan teams! |
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I can see 842 captaining a 4-seed and picking up 2 killer cyclers and just tear it up.
Like I said, Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams. 842 really did the kitbase proud this year. |
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Just to let you guys know, 694 was sorted into the teams by accident. I removed them. It messed with my data a lot. :p
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In their elimination matches at GTR West and Waterloo the other alliance was worrying more about trying to slow down 2056 so 1114 ran all over the place and was easily able to get in 6 runs and a dump in some of the matches. including the match we set the current high score in at Waterloo. If they can continue this ability with what would seem to be a lack of defense I've seen in past years at champs then they'll easily be in the top 3.
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octocanum doesn't mean low traction... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIPexTMLaQ |
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This might be just be my opinion, but I expect to see cyclers that match 1114 in some respect. It's their 30 pt climb/dump that will put 1114 on top.
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Going to be very interesting to watch. |
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Team 2907 Lion Robotics (aka T-REX) is excited and breaking the bank to get the team out to St. Louis - can't wait to meet some great teams!
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1114 still comes out with a couple more points, but you can't really have more than one 1114 on an alliance (if you only do 2 coloured discs you come out behind). In the same vein, you can't have more than one 118 or 1477, because the centerline doesn't yield enough points either, and is easy to defend. Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies. |
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Team 3528 is so excited to be at champs! We are getting better each regional so we hope to do well at champs! It will be fun!
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Team 2481 is very excited to be competing against the other amazing teams in Galileo!
To follow up on a point that a couple people just made, I've been a firm believer that the most efficient championship alliance can only ideally support 2 offensive powerhouses, but not just because of the disc cap. There's also only so much real estate to work with on the field and that may cause an increase in traffic jams and clutter up key areas of the field if they're not perfect in execution. To clarify, that's either pairing two deadly cycle shooters together or a deadly cycle shooter paired with a full court shooter. You can't support 2 full court shooters on the same alliance because of the nature in how they have to play the game to be most effective. You always want to play to the strengths and maximize the abilities of the robots on the field. In order to do that for these offensive powerhouses, the third alliance robot has to be a versatile defender with the mindset and ability to strategically slow those opposing powerhouses down, and preferably one with the ability to quickly climb for 30 pts (and possibly dump for more). In my oppinion, what makes 1114 so scary good is their ability to efficiently cover two roles simultaneously (deadly cycle shooter and 50 pt. climb/dumper) which gives them added versatility in how they build their alliance with that third pick after pairing up with the best 7 disc autonomous robot available. For example, could a 118 (7DA, CS) + 1114 (CS, C&D) + 4334 (FCS) alliance really work on the field in the most efficient way to generate wins when going against the best of the best in competition? I'm actually not so sure. I definitely see the appeal, but I would think 118 + 1114 + 3284 would be much more effective because of 3284's defensive versatility to counter the proficient FCS's that populate the Galileo talent pool. Regardless, I predict that when the dust settles after alliance selections, there will be several top tier cycle shooters who will be unfortunately left on the sidelines in favor of more specialized role players that compliment the backbone of the initial round of alliance pairings better. I can't wait to see how this all plays out as I can never recall another game that's been so strategically interesting. |
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Here is a video of Team 3018 Nordic Storm's robot in a match where we scored 56 pts. at the 10,000 Lakes Regional. We hope to be a complementary robot to shooters to make a strong alliance having now made improvements to score 56 pts. consistently.
http://www.nordicstorm.org/Galleries...7/Default.aspx |
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