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JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 17:08

Galileo Division 2013
 
I'm going to be that guy.

1772 is excited to be competing in Galileo, I went nuts when I saw that I get to see some of the teams on that list up close, and even play with them.

Division List "Ugly" Edition

Boe 17-04-2013 17:10

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
2175 cant wait to compete with everyone in galileo

Maldridge422 17-04-2013 17:13

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
For future reference in this thread:

27 Team RUSH
45 TechnoKats Robotics Team
70 More Martians
95 Grasshoppers
111 WildStang
118 Robonauts
125 NUTRONS
151 Tough Techs
192 GRT
222 Tigertrons
245 Adambots
295 Renevatio
329 Raiders
337 Hard Working Hard Hats
358 Robotic Eagles
384 Sparky 384
422 Mech Tech Dragons
447 Team Roboto
467 Shrewsbury Colonials
578 Red Raider Robotics
610 The Coyotes
744 Shark Attack
842 Falcon Robotics
1086 Blue Cheese
1114 Simbotics
1218 Vulcan Robotics
1241 THEORY6
1323 MadTown Robotics
1325 Inverse Paradox
1378 Hilo Viking Robotics
1405 Finney Falcons
1425 Error Code Xero
1429 TEAM KAOS
1477 Texas Torque
1629 Garrett Coalition (GaCo)
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad
1710 The Ravonics Revolution
1726 N.E.R.D.S. (Nifty Engineering Robotics Design Squad)
1732 Hilltoppers
1772 The Brazilian Trail Blazers
1801 The Dapper Dans
1806 S.W.A.T.
1912 Team Combustion
1987 Broncobots
2000 TEAM ROCK
2046 Bear Metal
2169 KING TeC
2175 The Fighting Calculators
2199 Robo-Lions
2259 1/4 Twenties
2337 EngiNERDs
2338 Gear It Forward
2341 Sprockets
2403 Plasma Robotics
2474 Excel
2481 Roboteers
2485 WARLords
2502 Talon Robotics
2512 Duluth East Daredevils
2630 Thunderbolts
2648 Infinite Loop
2729 Storm Robotics Team
2809 K-Botics
2834 Bionic Barons
2907 Lion Robotics
2978 Cavaliers
3018 Nordic Storm
3132 Thunder Down Under
3189 Circuit Breakers
3211 The Y Team
3284 Camdenton 4H LASER Team
3459 Team PyroTech
3481 Bronc Botz
3528 Up Next!
3641 The Flying Toasters
3656 Dreadbots
3941 Absolute Zero Electricity
3944 All Knights
4011 pirhobotics
4026 Global Dynamics
4039 MakeShift Robotics
4069 Lo-Ellen Robotics
4158 Leilehua Robotics
4334 Alberta Tech Alliance ( ATA)
4452 First Noble Team
4462 Full Metal Jackets
4472 Super NOVA
4481 The Rembrandts
4492 Chrono
4502 The Octo?
4522 Team SCREAM
4541 Cavaliers
4557 FullMetal Falcons
4579 RoboEagles
4601 Circuit Birds
4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.)
4627 IRON MANNING
4641 Red Oak Robotics
4797 Bryant HS

Tottanka 17-04-2013 17:18

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
3211 The Y Team and 2630 Thunderbolts will represent Israel at Galileo. Can't wait to take part in what is, absolutely objectively, the best division.


Now...where are those signature thingies of galileo...

alex.lew 17-04-2013 17:24

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1912 is excited to be on Galileo for the first time in team history. Looking forward to some great matches!

scott 17-04-2013 17:27

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
447 Team Roboto is also excited to be back on Galileo!! Good luck to everyone and see you next week!

ice.berg 17-04-2013 17:30

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1263554)
2175 cant wait to compete with everyone in galileo

All Minnesota alliance?? :D

All joking aside, we are excited to be in Galileo. Looks like there are some real powerhouse teams that are older as well as some newer dominant teams. Should be a good showing.

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 17:35

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
In Rookies 4334 and 4452 are the two I recognize.
4452 Being Undefeated at Peachtree in Quals.
4334 Canadian West Champs.

Trent B 17-04-2013 17:35

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
4 Neutrino mentors have connections to this division through their old teams:
1675 The Ultimate Protection Squad
1710 The Ravonics Revolution
2502 Talon Robotics (2 mentors).

Also happy to see a few of the teams who defeated us at KC and North Star.

1806 S.W.A.T (Kansas City)
2175 The Fighting Calculators (North Star)
4607 Coalition of Independent Students (C.I.S.) (North Star)

I will definitely have to watch this division.

Maldridge422 17-04-2013 17:36

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
While we're all waiting for some useful data to be generated, here's where all the teams are from:

9 - Michigan
7 - Ontario, Texas
6 - Minnesota, Missouri
5 - California, New York
4 - Arizona, Maryland, Virginia
3 - Illinois, Washington, Wisconsin
2 - Alberta, Hawaii, Indiana, Israel, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania
1 - Australia, Brazil, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Netherlands, North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Quebec, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia

PayneTrain 17-04-2013 17:36

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.

XaulZan11 17-04-2013 17:42

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1263612)
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.

And a couple very good FCS.

Galileo has three of my favorite canidates to be excellent 3rd partners.

wesbass23 17-04-2013 17:50

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Team 1732 is looking forward to playing on Galileo with our winning alliance partners from the Wisconsin Regional, 111 and 2338!

Also there, our friends from WI, 1675!

avanboekel 17-04-2013 17:54

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Cool to see the 2 teams that helped us qualify are in the same division as us (Thanks 1732 and 111)! 2338 is counting down the days for champs!

Boe 17-04-2013 17:55

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
i count 5 or 6 7 disk autons

Bdf809 17-04-2013 18:01

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
two extremely good bots on this field with 1114 and 118; 610 isn't too shabby either. I'm very interested to see how this plays out.

Good luck, looking forward to seeing the teams there!

julianpowell 17-04-2013 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1263608)
In Rookies 4334 and 4452 are the two I recognize.
4452 Being Undefeated at Peachtree in Quals.
4334 Canadian West Champs.

4334 isn't a rookie.

jblay 17-04-2013 18:15

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Here is a Google Doc for Pit Scouting every team in the division.
It's a collaboration effort so please put in any information you have, but only if you know it's correct.
Hopefully this will make pit scouting 102 teams a little easier.
If you have any suggested changes please email or PM me.

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 18:19

I just went off the team number and guessed. I didn't look them up or anything.

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 18:20

Who are the 7 disk autonomous teams?

Boe 17-04-2013 18:24

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1263685)
Who are the 7 disk autonomous teams?

70 118 1477 2175 2337 2474

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 18:25

Good things to know. Anyone up for a giant shared online scouting database at the competition let me know and I'll give you the details of how we'll do it.

MooreteP 17-04-2013 18:34

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
610, 1114, 4334.

The new Eh Team?

Boe 17-04-2013 18:35

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zachmartin1806 (Post 1263701)
Please List?

see above

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 18:36

Unlikely considering if 1114 seeds first the chances of them getting both of those teams isn't that good.

Gregor 17-04-2013 18:53

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1263684)
I just went off the team number and guessed. I didn't look them up or anything.

Lowest rookie number is 4450 this year.

hiyou102 17-04-2013 18:57

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1263703)
610, 1114, 4334.

The new Eh Team?

That would be a dream come true.

It's going to be interesting competing against one the Calgary rookie teams and 1772, the Brazilian team we competed against in the Calgary regional. I don't like the lack of floor pickups in this division.

Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?

Boe 17-04-2013 18:59

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1263730)
That would be a dream come true.

It's going to be interesting competing against one the Calgary rookie teams and 1772, the Brazilian team we competed against in the Calgary regional. I don't like the lack of floor pickups in this division.

Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?

i know of three without any of my pre scouting done
2169
2512
610

MrForbes 17-04-2013 19:05

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
2485 also is a full court shooter

hiyou102 17-04-2013 19:07

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1263732)
i know of three without any of my pre scouting done
2169
2512
610

610 isn't a FCS.

Boe 17-04-2013 19:09

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1263739)
610 isn't a FCS.

really i thought they were, someone also said that they were in the spreadsheet posted earlier in this thread

1018sophmore 17-04-2013 19:11

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
610 can full court shoot if they so choose I am certain I saw it at BAE but I assume they much prefer cycling

Bdf809 17-04-2013 19:12

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1263743)
really i thought they were, someone also said that they were in the spreadsheet posted earlier in this thread

Yeah 610 is a feeder slot runner, and one of the best in frc this year at it.

Tottanka 17-04-2013 19:12

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1806 is an awesome FCS

Gregor 17-04-2013 19:14

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
610 is an excellent cycler, and a good FCS.

PayneTrain 17-04-2013 19:15

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
One could argue the best cyclers in the game are 245, 610, and 1114 (though not a pure cycler with its 30pt climb).

Going to be fun to watch it all play out, but there are 96 teams in this division who are very, very aware of avoiding a real "game over" scenario in alliance selections.

hiyou102 17-04-2013 19:19

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 1263753)
1806 is an awesome FCS

Just watched them in Oklahoma full court shooting and cycling. They are a great FCS and are better than I anticipated at cycling.

Aren Siekmeier 17-04-2013 19:32

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1263709)
Unlikely considering if 1114 seeds first the chances of them getting both of those teams isn't that good.

But I'm not so sure they will seed first. Unless they show up with a 5/7 disc auto (i.e. they've developed a floor pickup or some other way of acquiring more frisbees), even if (when) they go undefeated with their ridiculous scoring capacity, there could be another undefeated team with more auto points.

Edit: hmm... looking at this picture, it looks they have an empty hinge out back...

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 19:35

Isn't 118 capable of FCS's?

1772 is up to 5 cycles, were just tweaking accuracy now.

falconmaster 17-04-2013 19:35

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1263612)
Initial scouring looks like there is a certain lack of a high number of floor pickups here. I'll keep digging for more.

We can pick up off of the floor...

falconmaster 17-04-2013 19:41

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Happy to be in Galileo! See many of our favorites in here! Awesome! We are tweeking more stuff on our practice bot that we will incorporate into the competition bot. Looking forward to making some new friends and meeting some old ones!

jamierose 17-04-2013 19:45

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1263739)
610 isn't a FCS.

We did some full-court shooting at BAE (our best score for full-court shooting was 26/30 discs in the 3-point goal), but at Waterloo we decided an intake would be more important for qualifications. We put our full-court shooting tray extension back on for elims for synergy with 1310, but our shots didn't quite reach the goals with the configuration we had.

CLandrum3081 17-04-2013 19:55

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
I would watch out for 2169. They dominated at Northern Lights this year. Didn't see them at Colorado, but I'm pretty sure they were just as good. FCS that is nearly impossible to block - and dead accurate, too. They had matches where they annihilated their opponents. 2169 is always competitive in MN, but I have a feeling they'll be an especially big player at CMP this year.

holygrail 17-04-2013 20:09

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 1263753)
1806 is an awesome FCS

A VERY awesome FCS with a 20 point climb and 20 point dump as well. Also did I mention that they can shoot from the pyramid well too.

PayneTrain 17-04-2013 20:12

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1263785)
We can pick up off of the floor...

I know. I hope 422 is in a match with 842. I can't wait to talk to your team on Hall of Fame (whatever it is this year... row? alley?)!

One thing you can't deny: Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams.

cmrnpizzo14 17-04-2013 20:18

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
I believe that 4334 is a FCS as well, correct?

hiyou102 17-04-2013 20:39

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14 (Post 1263835)
I believe that 4334 is a FCS as well, correct?

We sure are!

JohnFogarty 17-04-2013 20:43

I'm sorry I've never heard of the term unblockable.

Boe 17-04-2013 20:58

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by compwiztobe (Post 1263779)
hmm... looking at this picture, it looks they have an empty hinge out back...

now that is a very scary thought

fr05ty27355 17-04-2013 21:06

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

hmm... looking at this picture, it looks they have an empty hinge out back...
No, that's for attaching their bumpers:

http://www.simbotics.org/files/gtr_east_2013_043.jpg

Let's not make everyone panic just yet.:ahh:

Gregor 17-04-2013 21:09

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fr05ty27355 (Post 1263869)
No, that's for attaching their bumpers:

http://www.simbotics.org/files/gtr_east_2013_043.jpg

Let's not make everyone panic just yet.:ahh:

Actually that bar holds their climber in. Pop the bar out, the climber comes out.

prerob96 17-04-2013 21:16

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
2169 and 2612 are very solid teams, both can 10 point climb and are very accurate at the full court. At the northern lights regional, they were both tearing it up.

rzoeller 17-04-2013 21:18

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by prerob96 (Post 1263878)
2169 and 2612 are very solid teams, both can 10 point climb and are very accurate at the full court. At the northern lights regional, they were both tearing it up.


Thanks for the compliment! But I believe you mean 2512 not 2612.

prerob96 17-04-2013 21:25

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rzoeller (Post 1263881)
Thanks for the compliment! But I believe you mean 2512 not 2612.

Yes it is. Accidentally hit 6

1629GaCo 17-04-2013 21:56

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1629 GaCo is ecstatic to be in this division!!!! We will get to play with some heavy hitters in the FIRST community!!! Good luck to all teams and have safe travels.

Woolly 17-04-2013 22:18

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
There's a lot of good competition in this division, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
We won't really know until Saturday the 27th.

camtunkpa 18-04-2013 09:05

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
222 is excited to be in this awesome field of competitors. Glad to see 1218 and 2729 are also in this division representing MAR! Also glad to see we have our friends 125!

akoscielski3 18-04-2013 10:37

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1114 put a "Picker-upper" on their robot at the end of GTR East. In fact they have had it this whole time, Waterloo and GTR West.*

*their "Picker-upper" is a joke, they put a sticker on the front of their robot in GTR East that says "Picker-Upper"

-1114 has no weight or room for a pickup. Dont expect one from them. Their climb and dump has been perfected over the seaon and I believe no one else has a more consistant/fast 50 pt climb. Their cycles are fast and are expected to seed high. The only down fall is their limit of 18 Auto points. If they are tied in Qual pts they will likely fall to 2nd, probably being picked by the 1st seed.

-It'll be interesting to find out how 610 comes into the event. They had a pickup in Waterloo, I wonder if they decide to keep it on or take it off. If they stay cycling consistantly they will be a power house.

-118 showed us their potential with their release video. They had a 30pt climber but rumours suggest they were over weight, forcing them to remove it. If they are able to put it back on, or bring a new one to champs they will be a force on the field.

-1477 has been a great team in texas these past years. They have a 7 discs auto that has proven to be a decent feature for them. If it works every match we will see them excel in the division, likely to be a 1st pick or an alliance captain.

-That little robot that could is back with a pretty decent full court shooter, 4334. Last year they were a critical part of the EH Team on Archimedes, winning the division with 1114 and 2056. If they are able to get a bit more accurate for champs with full court shooting they could again be a great asset.

Some other good looking teams are 111, 1241, 245 and 125

Mr. Lim 18-04-2013 10:56

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1263739)
610 isn't a FCS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_cT...YdSlRb_rLXUTtM

http://youtu.be/YDOuAbKbWx0

Our robot is a FCS. Depending on the strategy we do cycling or FCS. We've definitely cycled more than we have FCS so far this season.

joelg236 18-04-2013 11:39

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1 Attachment(s)
Some initial scouting data based off the open scouting sheet. Looks like it's a pretty FCS heavy division, with less blockers than FCS. That is bound to change though, considering the blockers are probably the teams who don't have much data filled out.

By my estimates (admittedly not going to be very accurate), this is what ranking will probably look like:
  1. 118
  2. 1477
  3. 1114
  4. 111
  5. 447
  6. 2169
  7. 1806
  8. 2729

The most surprising thing about this is that 610 and 2000 aren't in the top 8. I think that might not end up being true, seeing how close 4th-14th are in OPR. If 610 gets floor loading working and a 7-disk, they have a good chance.

111 has slipped under a lot of people's radars this year (in terms of performance). I think they have a lot of potential as a first pick.

1114 is going to have a tough time, as a lot of people have said, ranking extremely high. I'm really hopeful their climb and dump put them so far ahead that auto won't matter, but that's to be seen. (who would have guessed they would rank 66 last year!)

Galileo looks like the perfect division for a second pick. It has the best distribution of OPR (more balanced), so the 17-24th best robots are bound to be pretty good. My bet right now is that the winner of Galileo will come from a 2nd, 3rd or 4th alliance.

I can't wait to see what a lot of these teams have in store.

* Keep an eye on 2337. Trust me.

joelg236 18-04-2013 11:47

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by holygrail (Post 1263827)
A VERY awesome FCS with a 20 point climb and 20 point dump as well. Also did I mention that they can shoot from the pyramid well too.

I'm curious how reliable the 20 point dump is. I've seen a lot of unreliable dumps this year.

Anyone know how long the climb takes?

Kris Troha 18-04-2013 11:52

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
1425 is another FCS (Central Washington Regional Winner) with ability to strafe and shoot if blocked.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013wase2_f1m2

JohnFogarty 18-04-2013 12:22

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Team 1772 should have a FCS blocker.
They proved to be a successful blocker against 836 at palmetto. I'm designing a simple retractable FCS blocker that extends to 84".

I would keep an eye on them as a second pick if they don't end up seeding up top, which they have had a lot of luck seeding pretty high this season.

Like I said they are a pretty reliable 3 Shot Auto, and with the accuracy adjustments we've made their driver control should contend with the best cyclers.

hiyou102 18-04-2013 14:15

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1264241)
Team 1772 should have a FCS blocker.
They proved to be a successful blocker against 836 at palmetto. I'm designing a simple retractable FCS blocker that extends to 84".

I didn't see them blocking FRS at WCFR. I think could be a very good blocker though.

zachmartin1806 18-04-2013 14:21

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1264224)
I'm curious how reliable the 20 point dump is. I've seen a lot of unreliable dumps this year.

Anyone know how long the climb takes?

We were getting a climb and dump in an average of 24 seconds at Oklahoma (once at the pyramid) however we have a solution to make this faster for worlds.

Here is a video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr90...e_gdata_player

Cory 18-04-2013 14:31

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1264215)

1114 is going to have a tough time, as a lot of people have said, ranking extremely high. I'm really hopeful their climb and dump put them so far ahead that auto won't matter, but that's to be seen. (who would have guessed they would rank 66 last year!)[/size]

Their climb and dump don't really have the ability to put them ahead. They need to finish with more wins than everyone else or they aren't going to seed first (unless they end up with a lot of partners who can run 5-7 disc auto). The number of points they score in the endgame won't help that.

joelg236 18-04-2013 16:23

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1264314)
Their climb and dump don't really have the ability to put them ahead. They need to finish with more wins than everyone else or they aren't going to seed first (unless they end up with a lot of partners who can run 5-7 disc auto). The number of points they score in the endgame won't help that.

That's what I was referring to. 50 points does have the capability to win matches.

joelg236 18-04-2013 16:55

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
2 Attachment(s)
Here's some updated stats. Please keep updating the pit scouting spreadsheet guys. I just set up the spreadsheet to update from there, so until I have some time to research that's all I can get.

PayneTrain 18-04-2013 17:38

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
At the end of the day, it's all points, right? I look at it this way.

I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.

Let's pick 118 as its analogue. Very high OPR that squeezes out extra points through its floor pickup. In a qualification match with 254 that I picked, I believe they went 6/7 on auto, made 5 cycles but missed 4 discs, and got their 10-point endgame.

1114 barely edged it out in this case, but 118 runs a cleaner game in auto or teleop where Simbots are pretty much maxed in each section of the game. 1114 would be hard pressed to get a 4th teleop cycle in their current routine.

However, the dynamics of this division depends on who seeds first. If it's a floor pickup machine with a perfect 7-disc auto, they would probably pick 1114 and make their second pick a robot that could reliably deposit the discs they and 1114 can't get in their routines. If it's 1114, they have a pick of the most reliable 7-disc auto. If it's neither of those, I assume you have a very strong pure cycler. They HAVE to pick a 7-disc auto machine but if a lower seed can create an alliance with 1114 and a floor pickup machine, it would be a tight match.

AutoPilot2020 18-04-2013 17:46

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Another thing to remember is that the current world high score is held by a cycler (1114), pickup (2056), and a full court shooter (4069). In our second regional we had programming issues, and they should be fixed for Thursday! Watch our for our laser beams!

Jonathan Norris 18-04-2013 18:02

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1264442)
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.

I don't think I've ever seen 1114 do only 3 cycles, usually 4-5 before their climb, unless there is really heavy D on them. They have a large Teleop+Endgame points advantage on the field.

joelg236 18-04-2013 20:59

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
http://goo.gl/med1D

Automatically updating page with stats from pit scouting and our team's research. If there's any stats you'd like on it let me know.

Boe 18-04-2013 21:06

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1264538)
http://goo.gl/med1D

Automatically updating page with stats from pit scouting and our team's research. If there's any stats you'd like on it let me know.

If im not mistaken 2512 has an octocanum drive not mecanum

falconmaster 18-04-2013 21:09

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Our new 5 disk autonomous!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fSJ...ature=youtu.be

this is our practice bot, will transfer code to competition bot at championships.

joelg236 18-04-2013 21:09

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1264542)
If im not mistaken 2512 has an octocanum drive not mecanum

I just marked robots with octocanum with macanum because I wanted to distinguish them. (low traction, etc.)

JohnFogarty 18-04-2013 21:39

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1264303)
I didn't see them blocking FRS at WCFR. I think could be a very good blocker though.

They were specifically told to work on making the most cycles as they could.

Unknowingly to everyone at WCR 1772 went through Dallas before reaching their airport in Canada and apparently TSA removed the optical encoder from their shooter that they had taken with them from the previous regional in their witholding 30 LBS. Since they got the sensor from me at the Palmetto Regional Week 1 they didn't have an extra ones.

So 1772 wasn't running anywhere near 100% at Calgary.

But you're right even though we didn't block at WCR we'll end up blocking at some point during champs just to make sure everyone sees that we can.

JoeWithTheSpecs 18-04-2013 21:44

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
The video for 222 seems to go to MSC 2013 Qual #111. Pretty sure they weren't there O.o

Glad to see some familiar Michigan faces in this division. Also glad to see 4334 in the same division again this year.

ice.berg 18-04-2013 23:32

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link

Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?

:ahh:

I think we have some work to do guys...

Boe 18-04-2013 23:34

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ice.berg (Post 1264640)
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link

Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?

:ahh:

I think we have some work to do guys...

please please tell me someone is messing with us

JohnFogarty 18-04-2013 23:41

I will die if that's one of them who put that.

Woolly 18-04-2013 23:45

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ice.berg (Post 1264640)
Yall might just want to re-check out the google docs database on 1114... Link

Floor pickup: 1
5 and 7 disc auto: ?

:ahh:

I think we have some work to do guys...

I'm not sure if I should be freaking out or OK with this.

Well, hey, fun fact, we wrote "TOP" on our drive frame after we welded it, and after grinding down said welds, our frame says "OP" on it in the middle of the V for the climber.

Chris is me 18-04-2013 23:53

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1264442)
I picked a qualification match for 1114 that looked like what I imagine most qualification matches to be: they'll will hit all of their auto points, make 11 white discs in 3 cycles, and make their 50-point play at the end.

The whole reason 1114 is so good is because they have a 50 point upswing on top of not a typical cycler, but the best one in FIRST at this point. There's been matches where they cycled 6 (+?) times and then did the 50 point endgame quickly.

That said, I expect 1114 to be the first selection, not the first seed. They are fantastic, but I think it's more likely that a multi-discer will land with a good schedule (or at least as good as 1114's)

Aiyash 18-04-2013 23:54

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned 842 yet. They have a fantastic floor pickup and 30 point climber.

They're clearly the dark horse here. I'm rooting for them and all Michigan teams!

z_beeblebrox 19-04-2013 00:06

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiyash (Post 1264652)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 842 yet. They have a fantastic floor pickup and 30 point climber.

They're clearly the dark horse here. I'm rooting for them and all Michigan teams!

842 is certainly quite impressive. At the Arizona Regional, they had a sub-30-second 30-point climp and the capability of doing a pyramid goal dump (though they didn't do it every match). Their shooting was somewhat inconsistent in Arizona but they're working on a significant redesign of the frisbee-manipulating system before Championships.

PayneTrain 19-04-2013 00:08

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I can see 842 captaining a 4-seed and picking up 2 killer cyclers and just tear it up.

Like I said, Galileo has the best Hall of Fame teams. 842 really did the kitbase proud this year.

joelg236 19-04-2013 00:10

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Just to let you guys know, 694 was sorted into the teams by accident. I removed them. It messed with my data a lot. :p

Irwin772 19-04-2013 00:12

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In their elimination matches at GTR West and Waterloo the other alliance was worrying more about trying to slow down 2056 so 1114 ran all over the place and was easily able to get in 6 runs and a dump in some of the matches. including the match we set the current high score in at Waterloo. If they can continue this ability with what would seem to be a lack of defense I've seen in past years at champs then they'll easily be in the top 3.

wilsonmw04 19-04-2013 00:12

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Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1264546)
I just marked robots with octocanum with macanum because I wanted to distinguish them. (low traction, etc.)


octocanum doesn't mean low traction...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIPexTMLaQ

Rangel(kf7fdb) 19-04-2013 00:12

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1264658)
842 is certainly quite impressive. At the Arizona Regional, they had a sub-30-second 30-point climp and the capability of doing a pyramid goal dump (though they didn't do it every match). Their shooting was somewhat inconsistent in Arizona but they're working on a significant redesign of the frisbee-manipulating system before Championships.

That is correct. Our shooting performance was completely unacceptable for us at AZ so we fixed our hopper so that it doesn't jam as well as made it very easy to feed and easier to pick up. Also sped up our firing sequence. Looking at 3-4 cycles a match right now with a 45 pt dump as well as with our new 5 disk centerline auto.

Boe 19-04-2013 00:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1264663)
That is correct. Our shooting performance was completely unacceptable for us at AZ so we fixed our hopper so that it doesn't jam as well as made it very easy to feed and easier to pick up. Also sped up our firing sequence. Looking at 3-4 cycles a match right now with a 45 pt dump as well as with our new 5 disk centerline auto.

are you planning on shooting into the top goal i saw you guys shooting into the 2 at AZ if i recall correctly

Rangel(kf7fdb) 19-04-2013 01:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1264669)
are you planning on shooting into the top goal i saw you guys shooting into the 2 at AZ if i recall correctly

Yeah we were shooting two's there because our shooter was horribly inaccurate. We are right now making 3pt shots at about 95 percent accuracy now.

JohnFogarty 19-04-2013 11:10

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
This might be just be my opinion, but I expect to see cyclers that match 1114 in some respect. It's their 30 pt climb/dump that will put 1114 on top.

Gronich2630 19-04-2013 13:08

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
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Originally Posted by hiyou102 (Post 1263730)
That would be a dream come true.
Does anybody know what full court shooters in this division?

We (2630) have a cycler\FCS robot. And a pretty accurate one. You can see some of our skills from the DC regional and from Israel as well (the match starts at 1:35)

Abhishek R 19-04-2013 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1102 (Post 1264757)
This might be just be my opinion, but I expect to see cyclers that match 1114 in some respect. It's their 30 pt climb/dump that will put 1114 on top.

Definitely, it's their climb and speed of climb that puts them ahead. 18 auto + 50 climb = 68. Compared to 7 disk auto, 42 + 10 point hang = 52. So that's a 16 point advantage that they technically have. However, many of the bots that do do the 7 disk auto (118 and 1477 are the ones i'm familiar with, 610, 4039?) are able to squeeze in a few more disks off the floor in tele-op in addition to their 5+ cycles because it only takes 3 seconds to hang for 10.

Going to be very interesting to watch.

mtfawcett2907 19-04-2013 15:01

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Team 2907 Lion Robotics (aka T-REX) is excited and breaking the bank to get the team out to St. Louis - can't wait to meet some great teams!

TheMadCADer 19-04-2013 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1264842)
Definitely, it's their climb and speed of climb that puts them ahead. 18 auto + 50 climb = 68. Compared to 7 disk auto, 42 + 10 point hang = 52. So that's a 16 point advantage that they technically have. However, many of the bots that do do the 7 disk auto (118 and 1477 are the ones i'm familiar with, 610, 4039?) are able to squeeze in a few more disks off the floor in tele-op in addition to their 5+ cycles because it only takes 3 seconds to hang for 10.

Going to be very interesting to watch.

What you point out here is something I've seen a lot of people neglecting in their trade-off calculations. 1114's scoring process for the coloured discs takes just as long as it takes for a shooter to fire off 4 three pointers. In the time that it takes 1114 to line up and climb to the top, a good floor pickup can grab 4 discs and line up. I'd say you can add 12 to the floor loader's score, making it 68 to 64.

1114 still comes out with a couple more points, but you can't really have more than one 1114 on an alliance (if you only do 2 coloured discs you come out behind). In the same vein, you can't have more than one 118 or 1477, because the centerline doesn't yield enough points either, and is easy to defend. Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies.

Abhishek R 19-04-2013 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadCADer (Post 1264857)
Limited resources enforce balanced alliance strategies.

Something else often neglected, you're right. This IMO eliminates a few more strategies including 2 FCS and possibly even 2 top-tier cyclers w/o ground pickup could exhaust their supply.

TheCrayButton 19-04-2013 16:29

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Team 3528 is so excited to be at champs! We are getting better each regional so we hope to do well at champs! It will be fun!

barn34 19-04-2013 16:49

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Team 2481 is very excited to be competing against the other amazing teams in Galileo!

To follow up on a point that a couple people just made, I've been a firm believer that the most efficient championship alliance can only ideally support 2 offensive powerhouses, but not just because of the disc cap. There's also only so much real estate to work with on the field and that may cause an increase in traffic jams and clutter up key areas of the field if they're not perfect in execution. To clarify, that's either pairing two deadly cycle shooters together or a deadly cycle shooter paired with a full court shooter. You can't support 2 full court shooters on the same alliance because of the nature in how they have to play the game to be most effective. You always want to play to the strengths and maximize the abilities of the robots on the field. In order to do that for these offensive powerhouses, the third alliance robot has to be a versatile defender with the mindset and ability to strategically slow those opposing powerhouses down, and preferably one with the ability to quickly climb for 30 pts (and possibly dump for more). In my oppinion, what makes 1114 so scary good is their ability to efficiently cover two roles simultaneously (deadly cycle shooter and 50 pt. climb/dumper) which gives them added versatility in how they build their alliance with that third pick after pairing up with the best 7 disc autonomous robot available.

For example, could a 118 (7DA, CS) + 1114 (CS, C&D) + 4334 (FCS) alliance really work on the field in the most efficient way to generate wins when going against the best of the best in competition? I'm actually not so sure. I definitely see the appeal, but I would think 118 + 1114 + 3284 would be much more effective because of 3284's defensive versatility to counter the proficient FCS's that populate the Galileo talent pool.

Regardless, I predict that when the dust settles after alliance selections, there will be several top tier cycle shooters who will be unfortunately left on the sidelines in favor of more specialized role players that compliment the backbone of the initial round of alliance pairings better. I can't wait to see how this all plays out as I can never recall another game that's been so strategically interesting.

djohnso 19-04-2013 20:04

Re: Galileo Division 2013
 
Here is a video of Team 3018 Nordic Storm's robot in a match where we scored 56 pts. at the 10,000 Lakes Regional. We hope to be a complementary robot to shooters to make a strong alliance having now made improvements to score 56 pts. consistently.
http://www.nordicstorm.org/Galleries...7/Default.aspx


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