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Hey CD,
As you all obviously know, divisions came out today, so I thought it would be fun for everyone to make predictions and to see if anyone can guess the winning alliance! Rules: you must state your three teams of the winning alliance from each division and then state your Einstein winning Alliance.
Here are mine:
Archimedes:254, 987, 78
Curie:67, 2056, 4564
Galileo:1114, 118, 3481
Newton:1986, 195, 217

Curie beats Archimedes
Galileo beats Newton

Galileo beats Curie in the finals for the second straight year

Have fun with this!

Edit: I'm obviously horrible at picking upsets :p

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I predict that a tornado won't hit the Jones Dome.

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Agree with most of that... No 148 for Curie?

Newton and Galileo will be an awesome set of matches...

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I have them as alliance captains of the 2nd seed with 1717 and 230.

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Archimedes: 469, 987, 1714(1st seed)
Curie: 2056, 148, 4564(1st seed)
Galileo: 1114, 1477, 2338(2nd seed)
Newton: 1986, 195, 2789(1st seed)

A vs C = A
G vs N = N

A vs N = A

First time since 2006 that Archimedes wins the big one with 469, 987, 1714.

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Any predictions about 353

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Archimedes: 254-469-2415 (I can hope, can't I?)
Galileo: 118-1114-4334 (2/3 of the Eh team, called the e team)
Newton: 1986-1538-4451 (This division is a tossup)
Curie: 2056-67-3489 (the most reasonable of these picks).

Let's see how wrong I am.

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Archimedes:
469-254-314

Curie:
2056-67-968

Galileo:
118-1114-2809

Newton
1986-1538-190

A d. C 3 matches
G d. N

A d. G 3 matches.

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Newton= 1986 2471 ????

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You know things must be bad when you see the safety judges run out of their seats in the crowd...


Anyway, to make a bold, edgy prediction: 2056 will not be number one seed in their division.
At most, 2/4 of the Einstein alliances will have a Full Court Shooter

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Archimedes: 254-469-840
Curie: 67-2056-2168
Newton: 1986-225-1511
Galileo: 118-1114-125

Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats Newton

Galileo beats Archimedes

These alliances are so closely matched, especially in auton and climb points, and I'm seeing the difference being made simply because the alliances which rely on fcs are getting blocked.

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Galileo v. Archimedes will go to a third match.

That's all I got. Picking teams makes me seem like a silly fanboy.

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With Texas in there I think it'd be "howd-eh"

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What is this, I don't even :D

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My prediction is no pure FCS will be on Einstein(I've said this since week 1). Teams will need to be more flexible in where they shoot from if they want to make it past division elims.

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I think the right pure full court shooter could definitely make it to Einstein as a third robot to a high alliance. I think you're correct about them being ineffective as the main scorer to an alliance, but as a defensive magnet, I think the FCS role is a viable strategy (assuming they aren't too top heavy, and can be consistent with their hang points).

My prediction is that all four einstien alliances will have at least one robot capable of full court shooting (EG. A987/469, G118, C67, N225/2826).

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Are you saying that being a silly fan boy is a problem? ;)

Also, Einstein finals haven't gone to 3 matches since 2007 i believe, just an interesting fact.

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Hey, so this is our team's first time at champs and I'm just trying to figure out how intense the competition is....

Anyone know 'bout where a 3 or 4 cycle pyramid shooter with a 10 point hang and 18 pt auto would rank ??? (That looks to be the average elims bot to me)

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Agreed, however, the right full court shooter with the right counter-defender can be a devestating combination. Don't count out full court shooters as point scorers yet!

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A: 254/987/694 over 33/469
C: 67/2056/3539 over 1717/148
G: 1114/610/1241 over 118/111
N: 1986/341/175 over 1538/2054


C over A
G over N

C over G in 3

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I beg to differ. I think a team like 948 could be a pure full court based on how good they are at full courting. Of course, being able to cycle like 1806 wouldn't hurt either.

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We have a robot like that....I figure we have a 50-50 chance of getting into elims, and a 1 in 8 chance of winning division, if we get to play.

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233,16,67

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Does anyone else think that the number of discs may be a problem in Einstein? Some of those robots throw out a lot of discs, and especially if an alliance is running a FCS as a backup. Will teams be picking up a lot of discs?

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Archimedes: 469 seeds second behind 254, grabs 33 and 51 one their way to creating the first Michigan alliance since 2009. Win the finals against 987 and 254 in 3.

Curie: 2056 seeds first despite losing one late Saturday. Picks up 67 and 968 as a powerful linebacker. It's tricky, but they squeeze past 1310 in the semis and 1717 in the finals en route to the division title.

Galileo: 1241 seeds first thanks to a lucky schedule and their multi-disc auto. 1114 turns down their invite and picks 111 and 2337 from the 3rd seed. End up beating the number 8 alliance in the finals en route to Einstein.

Newton: 1986 seeds first and plows through elims with 1538 and 2194. 341 gives them a run in the finals as the 6th seed with 2826 and 217, but the Thunderchickens' lack of a climb costs their alliance in the end.

Einstein
Archimedes takes the first match, but limited FCS defence allows 968 to pin down 469. In the end, Archimedes loses to Curie's climb and dump, even though they lead after auto all three matches.

In a match this tight, it's all about the dump. Galileo ekes out the win over Newton in two matches, but only wins by 10 points each time.

Curie vs Galileo, and the only thing that's certain is Dave Verbugge's epic speeches. 968 manages to box out the beastly drivetrain of 2337, letting 67 unleash a barrage of unblocked full court threes. 2056 switches between scooping up the (few) misses and playing interference on 111. Last second dumps keep it close, but Curie wins in 2 matches. The Curie Curse is broken, HOT joins Hammond in the 4-wins club, everybody stops asking where the old RAWK went, and 2056's drive team is actually spotted smiling (I kid... mostly)

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I think the only predictions that will be proven right are that 1114 and 67 will be the number one selections of the draft in Galileo and Curie, respectively.

I'll also predict that even if my alliances are way off, there will be at least one Canadian team on Einstein and at least 3 in the four division finals.

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My prediction for champs: 1114, 118, 2169

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469/254/11

Ground pickup, climb, and cycling

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Fixed that for you ;)

We can't just let our friends on 67 tie Hammond's record first, now can we?
:D

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Ouch. This thread is really not Curie friendly...even with the likes of HOT and OP, they still think the curse lives on.

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1114, 118/111/610, Third Pick is a Toss-Up...there is no way 4334 would be left over if 1114 is first seed.

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All i have to say is that any ground pickup team will have a solid feeder station bot that make 4-6 trips every match

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I really doubt 1114 will seed first, given their cap at 18 points in auto. I'd love to see them prove me wrong.

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I'm definitely betting on 118 seeding first as they nail that 7 disk auto basically every time, also they're tele-op scores have an incredibly high ceiling which should put them undefeated except for one loss given a decent schedule. Their ground-pickup and 7 disk auto greatly complements 1114's climb and dump and feeder rounds, though they will be seeded 4 or less. A third bot would most likely be a FCS-blocker that, if there's any left, does either one of the following: 1. Climb 30, or 2. Gets 3-disk auto and hangs 10.

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1114 and 118 will have targets on their back. If either has a bad match or loses well fought battles, I'd expect 1477 to take the cake in regards to 1st seed.

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Archimedes: 987 seeds first picks 254 and 1714, plays in finals against the 2nd seed 469,33,71......987,254,1714 advance to Einstein in 3 hard fought matches while creating the new national high score of 285.

Curie: 2056 seeds first picks picks 67 and 2168 plays in finals against 1717 148 and 2383. number one alliance wins in 2 matches.

Galileo: 610 seeds first with a great performance and schedule, they pick the 3rd seed 1114 and 4334 to start the new EH Team they face #3 seed 1241,111,125 to win and advance to Einstein with the new EH Team.

Newton: 1986 seeds first and picks 1538 and 217. and faces 341,2826, and 190 in finals. Contrary to some believes 217 climb works to perfection and becomes the steal of the alliance selection. With the a long hard 3 matches 1986,1538,217 is too much firepower for 341,2826,and 190 to handle.

Einstein
With one of the best showings of teams a lot is on the line for 67 to join the 4 championship club and try to break the curse,and an all Canada team fights to show the world that Canada is where the title of 2013 World Champions belongs.

Curie (2056,67,2168) defeat Archimedes (987,254,1714) in two quick matches,showing everyone the Curie curse is ready to be broken.

Galileo (610,1114,4334) defeats Newton(1986,1538,217) in three very tough matches

Galileo vs Curie in finals: OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!
Through three matches the Eh Team takes the title of World Champions to Canada.
The curse remains alive in the Curie Division.

BEST OF LUCK TO ALL TEAMS AT CHAMPIONSHIPS. REMEMBER TO PLAY YOUR GAME AND IF THAT WORKS ALL SHOULD GO WELL. YOU WILL WIN YOUR FAIR SHARE AND HOPEFULLY PLAY AFTER LUNCH ON SATURDAY.

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353 will not be as lucky with the schedule in St. Louis as they were at Hofstra.

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Sorry, but you never know in St. Louis...

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TORNADO ALLEY and huge hail hope it is not like last year.......i think that parking garage is gonna fill really fast.

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As we say around here: "Don't like the weather? Wait 24 hours!"

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More like "Wait 5 minutes!"

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Ohh believe me I know that live in Indiana the Midwest is home to the most bipolar random weather ever it can be snowing one day then amazing the next day

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I know Archimedes is deep, but I doubt it'll be deep enough for 71 to go as a 2nd pick. Even with near perfect scouting, teams with a reputation like Hammond rarely go last.

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I understand that was rethinking it, we were the 14th pick in Wisconsin but things could change could maybe even be pickers ya never know i guess i was just hoping to play with them would be a good alliance.

Sidenote: looking forward to playing with you guys May 18th at the Indiana state tournament you guys have an amazing shooter

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I'm really curious how the top seeds are going to pick their alliances. Aside from 1986, and 1114 most of the top tier teams in each division are ground pick-up robots and most alliances with 2 ground pick up bots don't do very well unless one of them can also grab frisbees from the feeder station. It looks like the top seeded teams are going to have to choose between a double ground pick up alliance with another powerful robot, or a less offensively powerful robot with feeder station pick up.

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Galileo: 1114, 118, 2630
You all know 1114 and 118, but 2630 is the key for this alliance.
They will upgrade every alliance. Their robot, Spitfire is one of the accurate FCS in the Championship. With very skilled drivers and great shooter, they also can play cycles very well.

Newton: 1986, 1538, 3339.
1986 with 7 discs autonomous and very fast cycles, 1538 with good ground pick up, and 3339 as a 3rd robot with a very effective 50 points climb& dump.

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As a couple others have stated, it seems unlikely that 1114 will seed first, as long as their own autonomous points are capped at 18 (unless they add a magic weightless floor pickup, which I could actually see them doing). A good 7-disc autonomous team (the best on Galileo are probably the two from Texas that do it) should be able to finish with the same record as them, but more autonomous points.

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I do not believe that 217 will still be available for the #1 seed to pick as a second alliance - they're way too good. Don't be surprised to see them picking in the top 8.

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Agreed!

In either case I don't think Galileo is deep enough for whoever is first seed to get an "ideal" partner.

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Huh? I'm puzzled about how we could have been doing 7-disk autonomous for 3 regionals without ground pickup. :eek:

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Magic? :D

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They were the second pick of the top alliance at MSC.

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No offense to the teams in Newton(mine included) but MSC>Newton when it comes to pure depth of talent.

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Well, it's an honor just to be nominated! Check is in the mail, BTW.;)

Thanks for the love, and we'll do our best to represent Peachtree well.

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People said that last year, too. Anything can happen during alliance selections when you involve this many teams.

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I freaking hope so! That was an incredibly scary evening, never again...

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Oh, I'm well aware...our alliance was beat by their alliance in the semi's. :ahh: (They were actually the 2nd pick of the #2 alliance)

I say that they won't be a late 2nd pick (and may even be picking) since I watched their robot improve the entire weekend at MSC and proceed to play very well in the eliminations. The only reason they were a late 2nd round pick was because of the depth of the field there. You can overlook them if you want - I will not make that mistake.

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Looking at the forcast it looks like Sst. Louis is getting the ugly weather out of their system today and it's cool but calm all next week.
Let's hope it stays the course.

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Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol

Archimedes

1) 987 HIGHROLLERS

2) 868 TechHOUNDS

3) 1334 Red Devils

Curie

1) 2056 OP Robotics

2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers

3) 4080 Team Reboot

Galileo

1) 1114 Simbotics

2) 3528 UP Next!

3) 3284 LASER Robotics

Newton

1) 1986 Team Titanium

2) 195 Cyber Knights

3) 2471 Team Mean Machine

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At Curie I really want to see a 2056-67-1577 alliance. This is one of the most balanced alliance I can think of- Steampunk from Raanana has a lot of expirience in helping to a FCS like 67 (they had a great job defending us in Israel). And with the mighty blocker! No one can shoot full court against them. If they will ran out of discks in the feeder station- 67 will climb and 2056 will continue to cleen the field with 1577.

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I like those picks...thanks

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Totally agree, for an average cycler.

My only prediction:
The teams who up their game to rise above the pack will have a better shot -- yet the stats won't lie, and reliability will be huge. It also may come down to luck of the draw, as many alliances across the divisions will want 'full backs' or purely defensive robots.

Getting a taste of elims last year has made all the difference in our team's tenacity this year.

It's all about how honest a team is with themselves, and then figuring out a plan to move themselves up:

• Honest starting point: we've only done 2 cycles on a field due to jams -- but the driver is capable of doing more, because he's done more in practice with a simpler bot
• I've been searching for a 36T 20DP 0.502" hex broached gear just to save ourselves 3 seconds of match time over 4 cycles, which should give us that last cycle as we decide to hang. I could do 40:44 instead of 36:48, but I'm worried we'd lose critical turning agility at speed.
• Fixing the shooter jams should give us 2 extra cycles.
• Putting a more powerful motor on our launcher to reduce time between shots should give us an extra cycle.
• Shooting from the corner would allow alliance partners who depend on the rear-center of the pyramid to do as they please without interference -- so an average cycler-team could practice that as much as possible. Reduced time of travel may also give an extra 3-4 seconds in the match. Corner shooting from the unprotected side also has a tendency to draw in some penalties from the other alliance.

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Great picks!

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2471 on Newton is a great pick!! They will compliment any alliance and have great experience...

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Exactly. Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmN-lRZhU0 The fact that team 968 was such a spectacular blocker, along with 1538's great ground pickup, to both "clean up" our missed shots and do some cycles, was the reason our full-court shooter was able to be so effective in this match. To use a football metaphor, without an offensive line and a good wide receiver, the even the best quarterback in the world wouldn't amount to anything. But with both of the two... he can absolutely dominate a game.

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Having been in tournaments with both Up Next! and S.W.A.T. this year, I will say that if they perform like they're capable of doing, I'll be very surprised if they're available to be on the same alliance. Especially to the #1 or #2 seed.

Thanks (to you and everyone else that's mentioned us like this) for the vote of confidence; I hope we deliver. Having been in tournaments with Camdenton before, and seeing video of them this year, that's an interesting alliance. I haven't seen 2471 this season, but with 2 Regional wins, being #1 & #2 pick, they sure must be doing something right. ;)

EDIT: It'd be really interesting alliance, as has been pointed out to me by a teammate offline. 3284 is in Galileo....

If CMP was predictable it'd be no fun. Besides, *someone* might be right; why not you? :)

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Curie: 2056 of course with 67 and 1577 very effective blocker...

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thanks for the pick

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Thanks for considering us

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You guys do have great ground pickup, but I think the person that posted what you quoted was referring to the fact that you cycle a lot in your matches.
Great robot this year and team 195 looks forward to competing with you and all the other great teams in newton.

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What I meant by that comment was that you do ground pick up for autonomous but you seem to favor feeder station pick-up for tele op. Unless you guys completely change your strategy for champs i'm guessing that you are going to continue with feeder station pick-up. The main point I was trying to get at is that you can run cycles which compliments a powerful ground pick up robot much better than another ground-pick-up-only bot would, this helps you in two ways:

1) You can pick from the best ground pick up bots and use them to their full potential without fighting for frisbees.

2) You are a more attractive pick for powerful ground pick up bots since they don't want to have to fight with their alliance partners for frisbees.

I agree they are unlikely to seed first, however they are still and extremely powerful team that is likely to get picked by a ground pick up bot due to the reason stated above ^^^

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Don't forget that the Bobcats 177 were picked 2nd round in 2010. So a big name does not guarantee an instant pick.

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Thats true look last year at 16 they were a second pick and they were phenomenal throughout the season

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I predict another rookie goes to Einstein in some way shape or form.

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People always obsess over the big names.

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That changes EVERYTHING!!! New list will be posted soon ;) lol

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Here are my predictions :) First Time Ever and I'm sure i'll get it wrong lol

Archimedes

1) 987 HIGHROLLERS

2) 868 TechHOUNDS

3) 1334 Red Devils

Curie

1) 2056 OP Robotics

2) 1706 Ratchet Rockers

3) 4080 Team Reboot

Galileo

1) 1114 Simbotics

2) 3528 UP Next!

3) 3284 LASER Robotics

Newton

1) 1986 Team Titanium

2) 195 Cyber Knights

3) 2471 Team Mean Machine

These are my updated predictions considering that 3284 is on Galileo not Newton lol

Curie narrowly defeats Archimedes after three matches because of the shear scoring strength of Curie.

Newton beats Galileo but narrowly after three matches even though Galileo beats Newton all three times in auto.

Newton beats Archimedes after two matches

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Here goes...

Archimedes: 469, 33, 1714 Coming from seed 3-6
Curie: 2056, 67, 968 top seed
Galileo: 1114, 111, 358
Newton: 1538, 195, 88


Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats newton

Archimedes beats Galileo

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If you add a different 3rd team to that Archimedes alliance... Namely a Michigan team... It'd be that much more awesome..

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Thanks for the pick!

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I think 469 and 33 will just have to swallow their pride on this one.

Much more likely to see 27, 2337, and 70 on Galileo or 2054, 217, 68, 503, or 1718 create an all Michigan alliance on Newton.

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Newton: 1986, 225, 217
Archimedes: 254, 33, 525
Curie: 2056, 67, 1939

And my Galileo prediction would scream of bias.

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What I find interesting is almost everyone is calling for a team with a rookie year AFTER 2003 to win it all, something that has not happened yet with 1114 Simbotics the only 4 digit team to win the big one

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Curie: 1717, 148, 968
1717 seeds second, picks 148, 968, beats out a powerful first seed 2056-led alliance in the finals in three matches. The loss is because 148 fell over on the way to the feeder station.
Galileo: 118, 1114, 2337
118 seeds first, selects 1114 and 2337 to win in six or seven matches.
Newton: 2054, 195, 4451
2054 seeds 4th, selects 195 and 4451 to upset against a powerful 1986 alliance in the semis and a powerful 1538-led alliance in the finals in 8 or 9 matches.

If I were to predict for Archimedes, I would introduce way too much bias.

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I like this one but would guess 254 would represent Archimedes rather 234, since 234 is on Curie. Also, I'd go with 341 over 225 for Newton.

Galileo: 118, 1114, 842 (some bias in the last one)

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The 234 thing was a typo.

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Something I am curious about is that on Curie, assuming 2056 seeds first and is looking for an FCS to complement their ground pickup is most likely a decision between 148 and 67. 67 has shown amazing accuracy and their 50 point climb, however, they did have a few drivetrain problems at MSC and aren't the tallest out of the FCS' . 148 on the other hand has shown the same accuracy and although they only have a 40 point climb, their drivetrain (2 mode drive they've deemed a 'butterfly' drive) and height allows them to push through a defender if needed with a minimal possibility of falling over. Again, 67 would probably be the best pick, but I can still see 148 being chosen as well.

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If both teams are playing at the same level they did in the regional season, I think choosing 148 over 67 would be foolish. I have no doubt that 67 will fix their reliability issues observed at MSC. Of the two robots, they are the better full court shooter, though easier to shut down with height. However, any alliance playing against them had better have a 60-84" blocker so I think this is nearly a null issue.

67 is a better cycler if they choose to play it that way and their climber is less nerve wracking than 148's and is faster to boot.

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I get the feeling that 148 is going to keep trying for the full level 3 climb with some help from a couple new revisions to their robot. They always iterate quite quickly, and they've done level 3 climbs in practice before. Still, I think I'd pick 67 for their maneuverability when cycling, which any FCS will likely have to do during eliminations. 148 can't be so nimble when they're so tall and prone to tipping.

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I think the FCS they should pick would be 1706. They have an amazing accuracy and can shoot at all three high goals while FCS though they only have a 10pt hang i still think they should be 2056's first pick.

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They may be the better FCS but it will be hard to get a good 2nd/3rd level climber that can dump and is consistent; that is why everyone believes that if that is the direction 2056 wants to go with with their 1st pick, it will be either 67 or 148.

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point taken but I believe a major reason to have a FCS is to draw defensive robots to your FCS instead of your cycler, 2056. Also a climb can be easily blocked by keeping the FCS away from the pyramid

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Archimedes:254, 987, 1714
Curie: 2056, 67, 1816
Galileo: 118, 2169, 3481
Newton: 1986, 2826, 3476

Archimedes beats Curie
Galileo beats Newton

Archimedes beats Galileo

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Archimedes:254, 987, 78
Curie:67, 2056, 4564 (For Sure)
Galileo:1114, 118, 3481 (For Sure)
Newton:1986, 195, 217

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I think newton would beat both Galileo and archimedes ;)

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:D

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Overal Champs for World this year,

1114, 118, 2512 from Galileo

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2nd-ed.

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I love that alliance but I don't think 2512 would go that deep

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67 trumps most in FCS ability. I think 948 and 2169 would be the only ones who theoretically could take on 67's FCS. However, a 50 pt climb added to that FCS and potential cycler sells 67 a lot more than other teams.