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czielinski 17-04-2013 21:55

Best full court shooter blockers
 
At all of our competitions, especially MSC, we've seen many outrageous blockers. Do you guys have any photos of any particularly effective and awesome looking blockers? Thanks.

xSAWxBLADEx 17-04-2013 21:58

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Thunder Chicken Pool Noodle Soup!

akoscielski3 17-04-2013 22:00

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Our rookies this year, 4716, made a pure defensive bot and blocks full court shooters. They were finalists at GTR west this year, and blocked many teams along the way!


CalTran 17-04-2013 22:09

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I hate to be that guy, but our robot was pretty darned good at blocking at Razorback...if only our driver had been just a little bit better :rolleyes:

*edit update* Uploaded a picture!

vishnum 17-04-2013 22:11

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869 has one of the coolest defensive robots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG38P2a6CJg

faust1706 17-04-2013 22:20

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
team lasar, 3284 if im not mistaken. they have a very powerful drive train and completely shut us down in the finals at st louis regional. normally we'd put up 100 points a match.

Iaquinto.Joe 17-04-2013 22:58

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
We developed a blocker that
A) Allowed us to go under the pyramid
B) Was configurable to 60 or 84 inches
C) Didn't break or weigh a lot.

We used one of those orange poles that go into the ground to mark off where the street ends and elastic.

It started bent back into our bot and flipped out when the shooter was raised, Our philosophy behind it was that you don't need to stop the shots, you only need to throw off the trajectory. There is one match out the where we parked in front of team 503, Frog Force, and negated all Teleop points from them that match.

Jack_O 17-04-2013 23:06

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2054 has a good full court blocker. It extends to around 80", but retracts down so they can still fit under the pyramid. Their defense against cyclers is also very good.

Justin Shelley 17-04-2013 23:08

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by faust1706 (Post 1263943)
team lasar, 3284 if im not mistaken. they have a very powerful drive train and completely shut us down in the finals at st louis regional. normally we'd put up 100 points a match.

Camdenton 3284 is an amazing blocker! Their net is just an amazing idea that works extremely well. Also they have a very strong drivetrain.

We were a very strong defensive presence as STL also with 3284 being the only robot their that we couldn't shut down.

Here's a video of us blocking 1706 a FCS

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013mosl_qm75

We made that net before that match in 15 minutes for the sole purpose of blocking 1706 :) it worked like a charm! We normally could go underneath the pyramid

Here's a video of 3284 blocking 1706 FCS

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2013mosl_f1m1

Lidor51 17-04-2013 23:09

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Steampunk 1577 built an adjustable blocker, 28"/60"/84".
For more details http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115930


faust1706 17-04-2013 23:16

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley (Post 1263974)
We were a very strong defensive presence as STL also with 3284 being the only robot their that we couldn't shut down.

We made that net before that match in 15 minutes for the sole purpose of blocking 1706 :) it worked like a charm! We normally could go underneath the pyramid

3284 pushed us around like a rag doll, and you guys did well too! We have a few tricks up a sleeves for championships next weekend, it isnt anything new we didnt show off the crossroads.

We added a "juke" feature, that allows us to start shooting at either 2 point target from the feeder station with a push of a button. The purpose is to just simply shoot around the blocker. We did this because when a robot is between us and a blocker, the blocker cannot legally block all 3 targets.

Also, we changed gear so we're sort of fast and due to our machanums, we strafe sideways to the otherside of the pyramid, shoot 4 into the 3 point, then strafe over. The block bot will not be able to go underneath the pyramid, so they'd have to go around. and If they dont follow us, we start fcs from the unprotected feeder station :D

Watch out. 1706 is hear to play.

xSAWxBLADEx 18-04-2013 07:27

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by faust1706 (Post 1263982)
3284 pushed us around like a rag doll, and you guys did well too! We have a few tricks up a sleeves for championships next weekend, it isnt anything new we didnt show off the crossroads.

We added a "juke" feature, that allows us to start shooting at either 2 point target from the feeder station with a push of a button. The purpose is to just simply shoot around the blocker. We did this because when a robot is between us and a blocker, the blocker cannot legally block all 3 targets.

Also, we changed gear so we're sort of fast and due to our machanums, we strafe sideways to the otherside of the pyramid, shoot 4 into the 3 point, then strafe over. The block bot will not be able to go underneath the pyramid, so they'd have to go around. and If they dont follow us, we start fcs from the unprotected feeder station :D

Watch out. 1706 is hear to play.

sorta like 2468?

Justin Shelley 18-04-2013 07:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by faust1706 (Post 1263982)
3284 pushed us around like a rag doll, and you guys did well too! We have a few tricks up a sleeves for championships next weekend, it isnt anything new we didnt show off the crossroads.

We added a "juke" feature, that allows us to start shooting at either 2 point target from the feeder station with a push of a button. The purpose is to just simply shoot around the blocker. We did this because when a robot is between us and a blocker, the blocker cannot legally block all 3 targets.

Also, we changed gear so we're sort of fast and due to our machanums, we strafe sideways to the otherside of the pyramid, shoot 4 into the 3 point, then strafe over. The block bot will not be able to go underneath the pyramid, so they'd have to go around. and If they dont follow us, we start fcs from the unprotected feeder station :D

Watch out. 1706 is hear to play.

Sounds like it!! I hopefully will be up there to watch :) Go Missouri!!

kwotremb 18-04-2013 07:46

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We on 3414 added a 80 inch blocker that easily goes under the 60 inches so we can do our normal scoring (averaged over 50 pts at MSC) and block full court shooters when needed.

2834 if I remember right had a good blocker that extended probably 80 or so inches only when needed as well. Seemed to work really well and they used it multiple times.

Arpan 18-04-2013 07:47

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This is somewhat related:

Who, (other than us), has so far met a full court shooter good enough that a robot could be used to play counter-blocker? We won the Northern lights with King Tec as a robot that specialized in keeping blockers from touching full court shooters. Any reason why I haven't seen many others playing the same strategy?

qzrrbz 18-04-2013 08:51

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1264107)
This is somewhat related:

Who, (other than us), has so far met a full court shooter good enough that a robot could be used to play counter-blocker? We won the Northern lights with King Tec as a robot that specialized in keeping blockers from touching full court shooters. Any reason why I haven't seen many others playing the same strategy?

Look at what happened in MSC F-1 without a blocker and come to your own conclusion! ;)

Justin Shelley 18-04-2013 08:57

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1264107)
This is somewhat related:

Who, (other than us), has so far met a full court shooter good enough that a robot could be used to play counter-blocker? We won the Northern lights with King Tec as a robot that specialized in keeping blockers from touching full court shooters. Any reason why I haven't seen many others playing the same strategy?

When we were on an alliance with 1706 our job was to park in front of them and make sure a FCS blocker didn't block their shots. The results were spectactular! 1706 has one of the best FCS i've seen

Akash Rastogi 18-04-2013 09:03

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I HAVE to put 2495 here. Just watch this match on the right hand side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly62dYKShOM

2495 put on an elevating blocker for this match just to beat 225 and it worked beautifully. One of my favorite matches of the season.

karomata 18-04-2013 10:09

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I noticed at Boston, 125 and 126 had 1511 with them, who were able to use their climber as a defensive measure that could extend above the initial height. Without them, 3173's amazing full court shooter may have beat 125 and 126.

DjScribbles 18-04-2013 12:29

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I like to think our blocker is pretty effective, and very slick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1AO...eZbYOGB3Kd9wHV

You can hardly see it in the video, but you can see that it is working.

Edit: We are the center blue robot in the video.

Ben Martin 18-04-2013 12:44

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We have been blocked by/were attempted to be blocked by:

Aluminum angle
Duct tape
Clementine box netting
Fishing line
PVC
T-shirts
Lexan
Acrylic
Pool noodles
A rake
Wind sock
PVC
A mini hula hoop
103's climber
A "flag" rotated up by a window motor

People put all sorts of stuff on their blockers (mostly team logos by using a t-shirt). 2495 put a troll face on theirs.

1391, 1626, 2495, 103, 433, 4285, and maybe some other teams I'm forgetting all built extendable blockers to contend with us and 303 at MAR champs. Some were stronger than others; 2495's and 433's were pretty beat up by the end of the match, though they were still blocking shots.

David8696 18-04-2013 13:11

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arpan (Post 1264107)
This is somewhat related:

Who, (other than us), has so far met a full court shooter good enough that a robot could be used to play counter-blocker? We won the Northern lights with King Tec as a robot that specialized in keeping blockers from touching full court shooters. Any reason why I haven't seen many others playing the same strategy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmN-lRZhU0
Sorry to be "that guy" and refer to my own team, but 968 is a perfect example of what you're talking about - and they do it brilliantly.

Jake177 18-04-2013 18:58

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Team 558 proved themselves to be a very good full-court blocker at the CT Regional. Their shield is retractable, so they can block above 60", but still go anywhere on the field. They also have a drivetrain that will stand up to just about anything. This video shows them neutralizing 195 very effectively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxF3fjgPD08

S.P.A.M.er 18-04-2013 20:17

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BMartin 234 (Post 1264250)
We have been blocked by/were attempted to be blocked by:

Aluminum angle
Duct tape
Clementine box netting
Fishing line
PVC
T-shirts
Lexan
Acrylic
Pool noodles
A rake
Wind sock
PVC
A mini hula hoop
103's climber
A "flag" rotated up by a window motor

People put all sorts of stuff on their blockers (mostly team logos by using a t-shirt). 2495 put a troll face on theirs.

At south florida several teams specifically made last minute "SPAM Filters" as we love to call them. The best in my opinion was O.S.C.A.R. with their T-Shirt wall. Plus we built a rookie team a robot at the event just to be a full court/Bacon(1902) blocker.

And to any team that does use a wall against 180 SPAM, I will personally add a sticker to your robot that says "Approved SPAM Filter". I'm printing off 100s to get mentor approval as I type.

Steven Donow 18-04-2013 20:21

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1264139)
I HAVE to put 2495 here. Just watch this match on the right hand side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly62dYKShOM

2495 put on an elevating blocker for this match just to beat 225 and it worked beautifully. One of my favorite matches of the season.

This match was quite exciting for us too.

Especially great was how 225 seemed to have absolutely no hard feelings towards us and commended us on how we all did/friendly banter was had on the way back to the pits.

faust1706 18-04-2013 22:58

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe (Post 1263970)
Our philosophy behind it was that you don't need to stop the shots, you only need to throw off the trajectory. There is one match out the where we parked in front of team 503, Frog Force, and negated all Teleop points from them that match.

teams dont realize how detrimental just a pole is to fcs. At crossroads, we were blocked by a robot that just used a pole. Prevented us from getting vision solutions, luckily when we arent getting solutions, we resort back to the last one.

Many teams are great at blocking, but their blocker is high, and so we are able to still get vision solutions, so if for a second we are able to shoot, we are locked on and ready.

Iaquinto.Joe 18-04-2013 23:47

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by faust1706 (Post 1264604)
teams dont realize how detrimental just a pole is to fcs. At crossroads, we were blocked by a robot that just used a pole. Prevented us from getting vision solutions, luckily when we arent getting solutions, we resort back to the last one.

Many teams are great at blocking, but their blocker is high, and so we are able to still get vision solutions, so if for a second we are able to shoot, we are locked on and ready.

Well our pole wasn't used for vision blocking, just normal blocking.

Steven Sigley 19-04-2013 01:35

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We blocked 2169 enough to win against them in qualifying matches. When we picked them for our alliance and prevented others from blocking them it was ridiculously effective to the tune of 200+ points...
http://youtu.be/_pQYjWn_LxE?t=2m20s

Dorr 19-04-2013 02:34

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
I have to say that the best full courter blocker that I saw it from team 1577 steampunk from Israel!!
that is a video from the finals in the Israeli Regional:
http://youtu.be/1rKuyx3RQD0?t=46s

Tottanka 19-04-2013 06:26

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
I had an idea.
A 60'' robot attaches a white disk at the start of match to it's blocker, vertically aligned.
This will give them a blocking height of about 70'', while they are still able to cross half field. Is that correct?
Is there anything you guys think that makes this illegal?

zachmartin1806 19-04-2013 06:40

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tottanka (Post 1264703)
I had an idea.
A 60'' robot attaches a white disk at the start of match to it's blocker, vertically aligned.
This will give them a blocking height of about 70'', while they are still able to cross half field. Is that correct?
Is there anything you guys think that makes this illegal?

That is something that has been explored in this thread

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115986

Ed Law 19-04-2013 08:59

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwotremb (Post 1264106)
We on 3414 added a 80 inch blocker that easily goes under the 60 inches so we can do our normal scoring (averaged over 50 pts at MSC) and block full court shooters when needed.

2834 if I remember right had a good blocker that extended probably 80 or so inches only when needed as well. Seemed to work really well and they used it multiple times.

You have good memory and a good eye. Our blocker is exactly 80" tall when deployed. When stowed away, our robot can go under the pyramid. We used it effectively against tall FCS where 60" tall robots cannot block. We also do not need to be too close to the FCS so we don't get penalties.

Wren Hensgen 19-04-2013 13:53

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Metal Moose, 1391, has an awesome blocker. Extendable netting as wide as their frame provides something that is very, very hard to shoot around.

AndyW 19-04-2013 21:06

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This is team 3414's deployable 59" to 83" polycarb blocker......

AlexH 19-04-2013 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wren Hensgen (Post 1264822)
Metal Moose, 1391, has an awesome blocker. Extendable netting as wide as their frame provides something that is very, very hard to shoot around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TB0m...ure=youtu.be&a

0:33

bs7280 19-04-2013 22:36

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The team we blocked ended up picking us.


audietron 20-04-2013 21:49

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In Kansas City we decided our best bet was to try to block 1806 with our 30 point climbing arm attempt.
This turned out quite well, blocking an estimated 13 Frisbees!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmz91...unA& index=11

Juan Martinez 21-04-2013 14:35

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We can use the back of our robot 60" or put our shooting arm up to 83"

novamx3 21-04-2013 15:02

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We did not block because we were a shooting team... however, at 10K lakes we brought block tech with use to mount on alliance members' robot for the elims... It was pretty effective until their drive train threw a chain...

We mounted a fan with a Mini CIM to their bot... We didn't end up facing any full court shooters so it could not be utilized fully...

It worked well..

I can't find a video of our Semi Finals matches... but that is where it worked best...

Zyrano 21-04-2013 15:53

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Just to help my students with a little advertising =)

Team 1967 the Janksters came up with a pretty effective blocker and was the defensive robot for the winning SVR alliance.

http://youtu.be/048HHG8m6A0

And the net goes up

http://youtu.be/Qdbxg4lME18

We'll be at championship at archimedes in 5 days!

See you there!

cmrnpizzo14 21-04-2013 16:17

Re: Best full court shooter blockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1264169)
I noticed at Boston, 125 and 126 had 1511 with them, who were able to use their climber as a defensive measure that could extend above the initial height. Without them, 3173's amazing full court shooter may have beat 125 and 126.

I agree, 1511 did a quite good job. They also had the added feature that their blocker was built into their robot and quite robust. Other teams (1100, in particular) had a problem with the err...reliability so to speak of their blocker. I do not have a match video but I will post it as soon as I find it.


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