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Justin Shelley 26-04-2013 08:38

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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1267353)
What? It seems like that might run afoul of the First Amendment.

Agreed. They deem it legal because it is "better serving public safety" They are under the philosophy that if you pretend it doesn't exist and don't give the gangs attention then they will disperse. It's not working....

ToddF 26-04-2013 11:19

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Originally Posted by Justin Shelley (Post 1267529)
Agreed. They deem it legal because it is "better serving public safety" They are under the philosophy that if you pretend it doesn't exist and don't give the gangs attention then they will disperse. It's not working....

Just to be clear, when you said "In St. Louis it is illegal to report that any violent acts are gang violence even though a vast majority of them are." did you mean that there is a State or City ordinance that makes this illegal? And people have been prosecuted under this law? Or were you saying that it is the policy of the city to not mention gangs when talking about crime to the media? There is a big, big difference.

I have to believe you meant the latter. A google search on "St. Louis gang" turns up plenty of news stories on gang violence in St. Louis, by local media outlets. I simply can't believe that reporting these stories is illegal.

ToddF 26-04-2013 11:41

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Originally Posted by brightmidnight (Post 1267428)
St. Louis gets a bad rap crime statistic-wise because the city limits are legally restricted to a small land area size - while other cities just expand and take in more suburban areas, the city of St. Louis legally cannot. Since FBI crime statistics are taken by total number of crimes divided by city area size, St. Louis comes out higher than it accurately should.

Crime rate statistics are NOT given on a per land area basis. They are given on a per inhabitant basis.
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-stat...l#.UXqcMHdc2f0

From the Wikipedia entry: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics)
"Because crime is a social issue, comparisons of crime between places or years are normally performed on some sort of population basis."

It can be argued that larger cities have lower crime rates because their populations include suburbanites who commit less crimes. But it is not true that their crime rates are smaller solely because their land area are larger.

For a more detailed discussion of crime rates and their limitations, see this document:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...eir-proper-use

Justin Shelley 26-04-2013 14:10

Re: Shooting by Edward Jones Dome
 
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1267568)
Just to be clear, when you said "In St. Louis it is illegal to report that any violent acts are gang violence even though a vast majority of them are." did you mean that there is a State or City ordinance that makes this illegal? And people have been prosecuted under this law? Or were you saying that it is the policy of the city to not mention gangs when talking about crime to the media? There is a big, big difference.

I have to believe you meant the latter. A google search on "St. Louis gang" turns up plenty of news stories on gang violence in St. Louis, by local media outlets. I simply can't believe that reporting these stories is illegal.

More of the latter. The local stations are not allowed to broadcast about gang violence. I live in the viewing area of all the major news networks and they never refer to it as gang violence.

Tristan Lall 26-04-2013 14:48

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Originally Posted by Justin Shelley (Post 1267593)
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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1267593)
Just to be clear, when you said "In St. Louis it is illegal to report that any violent acts are gang violence even though a vast majority of them are." did you mean that there is a State or City ordinance that makes this illegal? And people have been prosecuted under this law? Or were you saying that it is the policy of the city to not mention gangs when talking about crime to the media? There is a big, big difference.

I have to believe you meant the latter. A google search on "St. Louis gang" turns up plenty of news stories on gang violence in St. Louis, by local media outlets. I simply can't believe that reporting these stories is illegal.

More of the latter. The local stations are not allowed to broadcast about gang violence. I live in the viewing area of all the major news networks and they never refer to it as gang violence.

Isn't that the former? You're describing a restriction imposed by the city on news media, not a choice by the city's representatives to frame the issue in one way.

From the way you describe it, it sounds like an illegal prior restraint on free speech. (There are ways in which it could be legal, but they depend on the nature of the government's interest in restricting such speech.)

pfreivald 26-04-2013 14:57

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Originally Posted by Justin Shelley (Post 1267593)
The local stations are not allowed to broadcast about gang violence.

That cannot possibly be true.

Walter Deitzler 27-04-2013 00:42

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I will leave this here:

I have lived close to downtown St. Louis for 16+ years. I am around to type this message,

I have not been involved in (victim or aggressor) of any shooting or violence crimes.

Yes, I do know some victims and aggressors, but, as stated by Justin earlier, they were involved in gang violence.

As long as you do not get involved with gangs, I have found St. Louis to be very safe.

Koko Ed 04-05-2013 20:38

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Well this article explains clearly why a shooting happened outside the Dome. We're right next to the 22nd most dangerous neighborhood in America! Oh joy!


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