Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1268590)

Special shout out to Jondarr Bradshaw, the best announcer in FIRST. I'm glad they let him announce on Einstein this year, he really has an amazing voice.

I think all the congratulations have already been said. One word about the alliances that made it to Einstein and have in previous years:

They were true alliances.

Other alliances may have had the best robots but it seems to me that the ones that win Einstein are composed of not just two of the very best and a good one but a true power team as the third bot. How 610, 1519, 862, 1640 fell to the second round is stupendous.

It's interesting to take a look at the pedigree of each of the Einstein bots and where they were in the draft:

Archimedes 2nd alliance: 33 (3 districts), 469 (3 districts and MSC), 1519 (1 regional) (1 State Championship, 6 districts, 1 regional)

Curie 1st alliance: 1678 (1 regional, 148 (2 regionals), 862 (2 districts) (2 districts, 3 regionals)

Newton 3rd alliance: 303 (no wins), 3476 (no wins), 1640 (MAR cmp as 16th pick) (1 Region Championship)

Galileo 5th alliance: 1241 (no wins), 1477 (1 win [almost didn't qualify]), 610 (1 win) (2 regional wins)

The combined OPR pre-championship of each alliance using best OPR was [in order of pick]:
Archimedes: 74+92+64= 230
Curie: 46+71+68= 185
Newton: 47+50+43= 140
Galileo: 55+77+63= 195

So Archimedes was highly favored to win but Galileo was close enough. Also note how in none of the alliances did the alliance captain have the best OPR prior to Championships.

Originally Posted by NXTGeek (Post 1268594)

Sorry, but quoting the pre-champ OPR for judgement of each alliance...

Originally Posted by NXTGeek (Post 1268594)

Sorry, but quoting the pre-champ OPR for judgement of each alliance...

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1268612)

Using the OPR's recorded in the FRC Tracker app (This is all from CMP), I got the following total combined OPR's for each Einstein alliance:

Archimedes: 179.9

Curie: 189.9

Galileo: 146.7

Newton: 185.9

Obviously, OPR told us nothing about anything at all, as usual.

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1268612)

Using the OPR's recorded in the FRC Tracker app (This is all from CMP), I got the following total combined OPR's for each Einstein alliance:

Archimedes: 179.9

Curie: 189.9

Galileo: 146.7

Newton: 185.9

Obviously, OPR told us nothing about anything at all, as usual.

Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1268626)

Except, that all of the teams on Einstien are excellent, and that it really was anyone's game.

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris (Post 1268760)

I believe our alliance had the 4th lowest combined Champs OPR of all created Alliances... I think that tells you that scouting is alot more then just stats, strategy is just as important.

Now to try and put my thoughts together on this weekend...

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1268154)

I was amazed at how two teams were able to put 254 points up in that match, confused me for a bit...however, no one made it easy for these guys to win, a rubber match in every single round? And they had to battle all kinds of bots, from 30/50 point climbers to full-court shooters. Very impressive, well-rounded alliance.

Originally Posted by chantal68 (Post 1269082)

Sorry, what is a rubber match?

Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1268164)

Yes, they did indeed hand count directly after our match. The error wasn't in counting but in adding.

Frank explained it to us personally during finals. They put those baskets up, raise the center of the goal to empty the discs, and then count each basket separately (subtract auton discs later). The two baskets for us were 20 and 26, but instead of writing 46 the scorer inverted it and wrote 64. They didn't recount the discs (because they didn't find it until way later...ouch), Frank just showed us the physical paper on which they'd scribbled:

20
26
64

It hurt (a lot more than it would have otherwise), but there was no doubt and no legal reason to replay. Of course, explaining that to crying students is another issue :(

Galileo deserved it though. They were both fair wins, and personally couldn't think of a better alliance to lose to. Everyone was very gracious. Congratulations, guys!

Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1268247)

I hope so. Frank has been very forthcoming thus far. On the bright side, this is far from the debacle last year. Honest mistakes happen. Although, at a competition focused on inspiring students in the areas of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, a basic arithmetic error (if that's what it was) is not particularly inspiring. The important thing is that the lessons that can be learned, are learned, and the appropriate safeguards are put in place for the future.

Originally Posted by vhcook (Post 1269084)

It's the deciding match when the series is tied (in our case, the third match of an eliminations pairing). The term actually comes from a card game called bridge.

Originally Posted by Brandon_L (Post 1268093)

It wasn't a replay, it was match 3.



My question is, where did they get the score from? The field has been cleared and there was a match inbetween. In all fairness, the second match should have been replayed.

Side note, this is Einstein. If we can hand count at Hatboro why can't we hand count at Einstein?

Originally Posted by hunterteam3476 (Post 1269206)

Thank you. we tried and tried to ask where they were getting the score from and they would not give it to us. To me the fair thing would have been to have a re-match. because the scores do not add up