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Jay O'Donnell 24-05-2013 19:06

Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
Hey CD,
I was doing the math today about possible alliances at IRI that could (and probably will) break the record for most points scored in a match. The highest score I could get (assuming no defense, penalties, or other robots) was 331. For the purposes of this thread, let's assume it is 3v0, and that every shot is made. Here's how I see it...
The alliance is 1114, 67, and 469. 469 Pulls off a 7 disc auton, and 67 and 1114 both put in 18 points. In teleop, 469 pulls off 7 cycles (which they have done at MSC and maybe champs) including scoring the other remaining 6 discs on the floor. 1114 pulls off a few cycles and then goes to climb, with 3 colored discs with them. 67 perfectly shoots any remaining discs via FCS and then goes to also climb with three colored discs. Both 67 and 1114 get 45 point climbs, and 469 hangs for 10.

Point breakdown:
Auton: 13 discs scored for 78 points
Teleop: all 45 feeder station discs and the 6 remaining floor discs are scored for 153 points
Endgame: two 45 point climbs plus a 10 point hang result in 100 points
Total: 331 Points

I know this is with no defense, failures, missed discs, etc. but is this something that can actually be achieved at IRI? and is there an alliance out there that could (theoretically) top this (theoretical) score?

joelg236 24-05-2013 19:10

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by Jay Money 1058 (Post 1277070)
The alliance is 1114, 67, and 469.

:rolleyes:

Oh how much I would pay to see this.

Boe 24-05-2013 19:32

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
The only way change to that alliance i would make to max scoring potential would be to swap 469 for 254, that keeps the 7 disc and sweeping ability while adding 20 more climb points. 254 would sweep misses and 67 would shoot all the white discs 1114 doesnt shoot.

BrendanB 24-05-2013 19:59

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1277075)
The only way change to that alliance i would make to max scoring potential would be to swap 469 for 254, that keeps the 7 disc and sweeping ability while adding 20 more climb points. 254 would sweep misses and 67 would shoot all the white discs 1114 doesnt shoot.

You could probably get a higher potential score with 67 FCS, 1114 doing 2-3 cycles, and 254 sweeping the field (but if 67 is on fire) 254 can sweep the other side of the field and steal missed shots from the other side of the field.

I think it is possible to see the high score broken but how we may never know!

IKE 24-05-2013 20:02

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

Pault 24-05-2013 20:06

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1277078)
1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

Gotta be careful there, you have 2 inside climbers. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work.

Hopefully we will find out in 2 months.

Richard Wallace 24-05-2013 20:23

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by joelg236 (Post 1277072)
:rolleyes:

Oh how much I would pay to see this.

You might get to see it for free! :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pault (Post 1277079)
Gotta be careful there, you have 2 inside climbers. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work.

Hopefully we will find out in 2 months.

Except that Titanium won't be at IRI. :(

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The two scenarios above have a common theme: the match ends with NOTHING left to shoot. Yes, I think we will see that at IRI, maybe more than once.

themccannman 24-05-2013 20:50

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1277084)
You might get to see it for free! :cool:

Except that Titanium won't be at IRI. :(

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The two scenarios above have a common theme: the match ends with NOTHING left to shoot. Yes, I think we will see that at IRI, maybe more than once.

I'm sure that will happen multiple times, in fact I would expect most of the elimination matches to end with no discs in the feeder station and no discs on the floor. I'm pretty sure that's how most of the Enstien matches ended and I'd expect better from IRI.

I think almost any alliance made of top tier teams could shoot every disk on the field. I think the highest score possible could be achieved by any alliance that one FCS, two 50 point cimb and dumpers, and a ground pick up with a 30 point internal climb. 67 1114 and 254 could definitely pull this off.

rwkling1 24-05-2013 22:10

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
I would say team 67, 1114, and 1986. each have 30 pt climbers, 67 can get 4 colored frisbees in the top goal, 1114 can get the other 2, 1986 has a 30 pt climb, and they're all awesome scorers, with a 13 disc auto.

qzrrbz 24-05-2013 22:13

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by rwkling1 (Post 1277097)
I would say team 67, 1114, and 1986. each have 30 pt climbers, 67 can get 4 colored frisbees in the top goal, 1114 can get the other 2, 1986 has a 30 pt climb, and they're all awesome scorers, with a 13 disc auto.

A question of "did it happen this year?" 6 colored discs in the 5 pt goal -- ever?

Seems like there isn't enough room for them! :)

Kevin Leonard 24-05-2013 22:17

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by qzrrbz (Post 1277099)
A question of "did it happen this year?" 6 colored discs in the 5 pt goal -- ever?

Seems like there isn't enough room for them! :)

It did. At WPI, 558 put 6 discs in the pyramid goal. However not by climbing/dumping, but by shooting pyramid discs.

Boe 25-05-2013 12:41

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
Alliance 254, 67, 1114

Auton
254-7 discs =42 points
67-3 discs =18 points
1114-3 discs =18 points

Telop (assuming 3v0)
254 gets 4 discs on other side plus the 11? discs in the middle while also getting 67/1114s misses =45 points
67 fcs all the shots 1114 doesnt take
1114 makes a few cycles =135 points

climbs
254 =30 points
67 30 climb 20 dumb =50 points
1114 30 climb ten dumb =40 points

grand total of 378

Jay O'Donnell 25-05-2013 12:51

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boe (Post 1277141)
Alliance 254, 67, 1114

Auton
254-7 discs =42 points
67-3 discs =18 points
1114-3 discs =18 points

Telop (assuming 3v0)
254 gets 4 discs on other side plus the 11? discs in the middle while also getting 67/1114s misses =45 points
67 fcs all the shots 1114 doesnt take
1114 makes a few cycles =135 points

climbs
254 =30 points
67 30 climb 20 dumb =50 points
1114 30 climb ten dumb =40 points

grand total of 378

While I did say to think of it as 3v0, I was also considering the field to be like a normal match of superstars, where there is usually only two discs in the center. That being said, this score is still 351 without those extra 9 discs in the center, which is higher than my original 331 thanks to an extra 20 hang points from 254 (which I know was said earlier in the thread). Oh how I hope this alliance happens at IRI!

gabrielau23 28-05-2013 22:12

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by Thunder910 (Post 1277100)
It did. At WPI, 558 put 6 discs in the pyramid goal. However not by climbing/dumping, but by shooting pyramid discs.

SHOOTING them? That's insane.

M. Lillis 28-05-2013 22:23

Re: Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?
 
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Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1277631)
SHOOTING them? That's insane.

Here is the video that you want. I don't know if it's actually in the video, but they are all in the blue pyramid. 558's main strategy for WPI was shoot all 6 colored discs and then 2 white discs, then hang. It worked really well for this match (and a few others, where they would get 3 or 4 colored discs in).


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