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magnets 08-06-2013 17:28

Swerve Drive Concept
 
Here is a swerve drive concept that I've been working on. Any suggestions/feedback is welcome. Not shown is a steering encoder and a schedule 80 PVC pipe that goes around the swerve module. The module has a disc connected to the side plates that has a delrin ring to provide another bearing for the module's rotation.










EricH 08-06-2013 21:16

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Question: Is this meant to also be the power unit for the entire drive? Or is one of those motors a Mini-CIM? (Or, is this for a 3-wheeled swerve?)

magnets 08-06-2013 22:54

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
It can be a three wheel swerve, or it can be a four wheel swerve with a minicim.

Gregor 08-06-2013 22:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by magnets (Post 1279001)
it can be a four wheel swerve with a minicim.

8 motor drive, I love it.

What is the steering motor?

CENTURION 09-06-2013 01:25

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Design looks pretty good. I dig the 8 motor design.

The top orange plate on the module seems overly complicated, from a machining standpoint.

Instead of having those little flanges hanging down, why not just bolt downwards through the orange plate into the two side plates?

What are you using to rotate the module?

And how are you tensioning the chain? It's hard to see what's going on back there.

I sort of consider 1640 to be the gold standard of swerve (Well, tied with 1717 maybe :D), and they've really taken the time to iterate, improve their design, and cut out unnecessary things. They also released everything you could want to know online. I'm not saying ditch your design and go with theirs, but they've already solved a lot of the problems for you, so you can learn from their mistakes so to speak ;)

DampRobot 09-06-2013 02:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CENTURION (Post 1279010)
What are you using to rotate the module?

If you look at the first photo, you can see a second chain run going up to a motor hidden behind the top plate and the two CIMs. From the little I can see, I'd hazard a guess that it's a 550 with a BaneBots planetary.

magnets 09-06-2013 09:48

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CENTURION (Post 1279010)

The top orange plate on the module seems overly complicated, from a machining standpoint.

Instead of having those little flanges hanging down, why not just bolt downwards through the orange plate into the two side plates?

You're right, to make the orange plate would waste a lot of material, so I think the little tabs could be replaced with a steel bracket, and then I could put a could more bolts straight down through the orange plate and into the blue side plate, like you described.

To keep the chains tight, we plan on putting spacers underneath one side of the lower gearbox plate until the chain is tight. We've done this in the past, and we only had to adjust the shims twice during the season to keep up with the stretching chain. The chain for the swerve module has a calculated center to center distance, and its small enough that it doesn't need tensioning.

Nate Laverdure 09-06-2013 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by magnets (Post 1279022)
You're right, to make the orange plate would waste a lot of material, so I think the little tabs could be replaced with a steel bracket, and then I could put a could more bolts straight down through the orange plate and into the blue side plate, like you described.

You could use this type of joint.

magnets 09-06-2013 14:01

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
I could, but then I would have to move the side plates in a little bit, or make the tabs thinner than the side plates. Also, I don't really know how those right angles could be machined easily.

nathan_hui 10-06-2013 15:54

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
You won't be able to machine the female slots the way they are in the picture (at least not with conventional subtractive manufacturing). What you could do though is do a pair of slots oriented orthogonal to each other (one provides constraint in the Z axis, the other provides constraint in the Y axis, and the screw/surface provide constraint in the X axis). As for the male bosses, you'd clamp the piece in the vice so that the bosses would be sticking straight up, and mill across the top. Not very nice if you've got a long piece (or you'll want to use a horizontal mill). That tab design is generally reserved for plastics cut on a laser cutter.

CENTURION 11-06-2013 16:24

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nathan_hui (Post 1279193)
You won't be able to machine the female slots the way they are in the picture (at least not with conventional subtractive manufacturing). What you could do though is do a pair of slots oriented orthogonal to each other (one provides constraint in the Z axis, the other provides constraint in the Y axis, and the screw/surface provide constraint in the X axis). As for the male bosses, you'd clamp the piece in the vice so that the bosses would be sticking straight up, and mill across the top. Not very nice if you've got a long piece (or you'll want to use a horizontal mill). That tab design is generally reserved for plastics cut on a laser cutter.

I assume you're replying to this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure (Post 1279042)
You could use this type of joint.

You're right, those sorts of joins are generally used in laser cut parts. However it can be done with normal machining, the design just needs to be modified a little. Your cutter will leave a radius in the corners of the female slots, so just add a matching radius to each corner of the male boss.

As long as there are still flats on each side of the boss and hole, there won't be a change in effectiveness. In fact, having the radii in the corners will increase the strength of both parts. (Sharp corners provide a convenient fracture point for the material)

BobbyVanNess 11-06-2013 17:48

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Do you plan on making or buying the bevel gears? They would probably wind up being one of the most machining intensive pieces in this design.

magnets 11-06-2013 18:41

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The miter gears are from http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=l110y&op=search&Ntt=l110y &N=0&GlobalSearch=true&sst=subset

CENTURION 12-06-2013 02:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby5150 (Post 1279319)
Do you plan on making or buying the bevel gears? They would probably wind up being one of the most machining intensive pieces in this design.

I don't think I've ever seen anybody make bevel gears besides gear manufacturers ;)

The process of cutting good gears is not a simple one, and it requires some pretty specific equipment, very few professional machine shops even have that kind of stuff.

Navid Shafa 13-06-2013 01:01

Re: Swerve Drive Concept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CENTURION (Post 1279365)
I don't think I've ever seen anybody make bevel gears besides gear manufacturers ;)

Well then, check my video out :) :

Bevel Gear Tube Drive

I was asked to cut these high quality bevel gears, for the exact purpose to show that with today's machining capabilities, you don't have to be a gear manufacturer to produce high quality bevel gears.

Several of these displays are travelling to Trade-shows and Expos, to highlight the capabilities of the OMAX Waterjet's:

"A-Jet"
A-Jet Demonstration Video


I <3 my job :D


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