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Who was the top "Cycler" for 2013
Ok everyone...who in your opinion was the best hard working consistent cycler for 2013, not full court shooter, not 30 point climber, not 30 point hang-4 disk dump, not floor pick up , just your basic work-horse, most consistent, 4-disk shooting cycler for Ultimate Ascent? :cool:
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701 was a great cycler in my opinion (Though I may be a tad biased). They were very consistent at Sacramento and Colorado and were a top scorer.
973 was also a very good, quick cycler. They did have a floor pickup, but didn't use it much. They were amazingly consistent and quick at the Central Valley Regional. I didn't see them at LA but they were still very fast and very accurate at Silicon Valley and on Archimedes. 1662, (again a little biased) was AMAZINGLY quick and accurate and hands-down the best cycler at Sacramento. It's a shame they didn't make it to Championships, I really think they deserved it. An 80-pound bot that was "zippy" as Michael described it. |
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I think 868 would be the most solid contender for that title
I'd also toss in 11 into that hat, but that's a bit biased :rolleyes: |
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There are many many good cyclers, but the two that stand out to me are 610 and 973.
610 had a FCS, and a floor pickup at Waterloo, but very rarely did they use either of them. 973 also has a floor pickup that they rarely used. The fact that they were so tall didn't hold them back. |
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Without a doubt it's 610. They were basically immune to defense, loaded quickly, scored quickly, and drove well. A lot of great cyclers this year, but 610 was the best.
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Well ill just throw a couple teams out there I think could qualify. First off there is 862 Lightning Robotics, then my own team (1718) I say this because of our accuracy and how our driver made it through the heavy defense we received, there is 68 Truck town thunder, also I am unsure if 1114 would count since they could climb for 30 also, but ill mention them as well. Some of these are a little biased since Im from Michigan
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In my opinion I would say 228 was the best cycler that I saw in person. They where very fast and agile making defense not really an issue. One time I saw then get 6.5 loads back and forth only missing two frisbee the entire time
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Guys wait until we get to IRI 868 is a force their speed is just unreal
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I'd say that the best cycler this season was 245. See for yourselves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yurCUSSoyNQ
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Lots of great cyclers, but a few that stood out to me were 245, 868 and 610.
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868 and 245 were fantastic cyclers. However, if you disregard 1114's 30/50 point climb, they were also just as good at cycling.
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1114 at GTRE (before there 30 point was ready) was beating out other robots in pure speed which was cool to watch. There feeder was also really fast.
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At the MN State Championship, 2052 was one of the best cyclers I've seen during the season.
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245 610 1114 and 469 if you count them.
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One of the best unsung cyclers in Archimedes was 1334. Point for point, second for second, they may have been a better cycler than climber.
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I'd say of robots that could ONLY cycle- not FCS, not climb past 10, not pick up off the ground- the best would be 868.
Now if the question was what robot is the best at cycling, it becomes a toss-up between a number of great robots (868, 469, 1114, 987, 610, etc.) |
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Well of course I am biased, but our little bot didn't do bad as far as cycling. 98% auto and averaged almost 70 points a match with 86% teleop. No floor pickup, and while we could do full court it was not our forte, cause we were short and easily blocked, but we could do it.
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The three of you, as well as 4265, were the best pure cyclers in Archimedes (and somehow you were the last pick! What a steal!) |
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When did you guys use your FCS ability? I do not remember ever seeing it. |
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Just out of curiosity...
Which team ran the most cycles(including floor pickup) in a match? Which team ran the most cycles with a 10pt climb? Which team ran the most cycles with a 30pt climb? |
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remember, the best cycler is not always the robot with the most cycles. It is the robot with the most discs scored consistently.
This may be biased but team 862 got 4 cycles consistently with one defender on the us. But we were at 95% accuracy, about the same as our auto accuracy. |
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In terms of most shots made in a match, these were the numbers for Curie: 148 - 39(FCS) 1310 - 31(FCS) 1717 - 24(ground pick up and cycler) 2056 - 22(ground pick up only) a whole lot of other bots made between 21 and 19 I don't have the numbers from the other divisions but I think the answer to your second two questions are probably 610 and 1114 respectively. |
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In terms of best pure cyclers, I give the slight edge to 868 over 610. |
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I would have to say either 245, 33, 469, 67. if somebody wasn't playing defense on these guys it was game over
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33 and 67 are amazing robots but they are not good cyclers. 33 is only dangerous when the ground pick up their discs. They are not good at the feeder station. 67 is the best full court shooter (when not blocked) in the world but when forced to cycle their points go down considerably. Edit: Jay Money 1058 beat me to this post |
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Team 118 with their motor assisted human feeder has my vote as the finest cycler. Even though they didn't go all the way in Galileo, they played exceptionally well during their final matches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP_SO3-MsYw
Of course, they weren't just a pure cycler, as they had a ground intake, but the same can be said of many of the best cyclers. Asking for robots that could only cycle involves, ironically, taking out so many of the very best cyclers . . . this question is too hard! Team 126 has my vote, they are blazing quick and use mecanums to great effect. Team 868 is also stunning, but somebody seems to have revealed their hidden FCS tendencies :P |
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A team that I am surprised hasn't been mentioned yet is 11. MORT had above 80% accuracy, could perform 4+ cycles under most defense, featured a #solid drive train, and had one of the niftiest passive hangers in the world. If I were to make a passive hanger for this year, theirs would be the inspiration.
That being said, I do think 868 was the best cycler without other demonstrated abilities. 11 is a darn close runner up and 2959 is up there too. Wow Archimedes was a crazy division... 610, 1114, 1986 and 1334 join the conversation if you consider just the robot's cycling ability. |
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Also I love that 1334 is getting some respect for how good they were this year, amazing cycler and just the smoothest 30 point climber. They are a team that continues to impress me, they should be racking up blue banners in no time. |
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Another vote for 973 and 610. Even though 973 was tall it din't hold them back very much, and they even installed a drop down ball bearing for CMP to get around t bones
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After 4 (!) matches against them at the Champs, I can say that 610 has the best cycler robot in the world. Great drivers, realy good drive-train and an accurate shooter. The only way we managed to stop them was when they hav'nt worked at all (Galileo QF 2-1).
Also, 1662 had a realy awsome cycler, maybe the best that didn't make it to the Championship. Wanted to watch them on IRI, too bad they didn't applied. |
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************************************ Some comments about cyclers: Most teams that were effective at cycling could do 4 or 5 cycles on a pretty regualr basis. Teams that could get 5+ on a regular basis often were able to do this with limited defense. Defense was usually not very effective against cyclers, and here is why (IMO): If a teams was a good cycler and could frequently get 5 cycles plus a 10 pt. hang at the end, then they are essentially requireing on averge about 22 Seconds per cycle (120 seconds of teleop - 10 seconds of hang time = 110 seconds / 5 cycles = 22 seconds). If this is their average, you only need to hold them up about 10 seconds to get them down to 4 cycles from 5. To get them down to just 3 cycles though would require an additional 22+ seconds of defense or 32+ total seconds... This is a lot to try to hold up a team. It would happen sometimes, but this is a very long time. More often I would see a defender spend the entire match trying to slow down a cycler only slowing them down 3-5 seconds per pass for a total of about 20-25 seconds which was just enough to stop 1 cycle... Teams that could 6 or 7 cycles were better to defend because their average cycle is faster which means less total time would shave off 2 cycles. End of the day though, they are still going to do at least 4 cycles... **************************************** Michigan honorable mentions for cycling: 862: very fast, very accurrate 1718: very accurrate 2000: 2959: often flew unde rthe radar 3641: Way under the radar for how awesome they were. and lastly: 573 who did an incredible number of 2 pt. cycles this year. I beleive they went 32/32 one match at Grand Blanc which is just phenomonal. Their team (driver, shooter, and HP were crazy fast). They did have a couple of jams that worried some of the alliance captains. Ultimately though, the 2 pt. cycler had a similar fate as the 2 pt. FCS. Good enough to win most matches but it puts a severe limit on total points. It is very difficult to get to 150 points with 20 discs in the 2 poit goal. I know they had a lot of debate on switching to the 3 pt. but it is hard to argue that 95% of 2 pt. is better then 50% of 3 pt. shots... They were one of my favorite teams to watch this year due to the speed and teamwork. |
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Has anyone posted a video of a robot doing better than 27/27 discs by “Pure Cycling?”
Team 2052 KnightKrawler greatly improved our shooter before our State Tournament and were able to get off 5+ cycles in every match with defense when we cycled in the Minnesota State Champs. Here is a match we hit 7 cycles and a hang with no defense. That was 3/3 in auto, 27/27 in teleop, and a hang for 10. If anyone else has a robot that made more than 27 disks by “pure cycling” I’d like to see a video of that :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiO4c9K7TfI |
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I looked at the world rankings as calculated by Ed Law and pulled out the list of the top Teleop OPRS. From there, I did not count anyone who FCS or ground pickup.
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Cycler Telop Total I may have made some mistakes in classification, so I'd appreciate review. |
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610 with out defense
610 with defense tell me how anyone can be better then them at cycling again. With or without defense 610 was the best. Edit: avoiding double post Quote:
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Take away their 30 point climber and 1114 was the best cycler, I think. Their speed and consistency was amazing. I honestly believe that if they had abandoned trying to climb for 30 once their arm broke they would have had a decent shot at winning Galileo.
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On a side note, when we did Utah during week 3, our shooter had issues from the playoffs the week before in Indiana. Since we were away from home, we couldnt fabricate the custom pieces we had to fix it. We did the entire Utah regional shooting only 3 at a time, yet had the highest OPR, ranked #1, and only loss the 1st match that weekend. Our OPR was high relative to other regionals that week. We had the occasional 7 runs with no defense. But given that teams knew what we could do, we always had a defender or 2 most times. I agree that 868 is the best cycler this year with many others who have posted. During our run together at Boilermaker, no one could stop the 2 of us. We cycled a little slower than them, but made almost every shot we took and in 1.xx seconds each time. We made more shots overall during the playoff run. At IRI, we plan to reduce the cycle time by widening our intake, loading from both front and rear (to prevent 180ing the robot), and hopefully get our FCS going. We could always FCS and quickly, but it does no good if you have to do the 180 degrees. |
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