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Pault 19-09-2013 15:42

Re: FRC Blogged-Something New--Early Release of Event Dates
 
I'm pretty concerned that there is only a week left until registration and some dates are still preliminary. Is there anybody hare that has any information on any of them.

Gregor 20-09-2013 13:00

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GTR West is going to be at the Crescent School, 610's school!

Has any team ever hosted a regional event before?

I'm happy that there's now a regional I can get to just via local public transit.

With both GTRE and GTRW back to backs weeks 2 and 1, Toronto teams that don't like to travel will be doing back to back, early regionals.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

Mark McLeod 20-09-2013 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1292136)
GTR West is going to be at the Crescent School, 610's school!

Has any team ever hosted a regional event before?

The Arizona Regional has been hosted by Hamilton High School, Team 698, since 2011.
They do a great job too!

According to the event list...
Inland Empire Regional is hosted at Grand Terrace High School
Central Valley Regional is at Madera South High School, Team 1323

And of course the first ever event in 1992 was at Memorial High School in Manchester, NH.

Karthik 20-09-2013 14:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1292136)
GTR West is going to be at the Crescent School, 610's school!

Has any team ever hosted a regional event before?

I'm happy that there's now a regional I can get to just via local public transit.

With both GTRE and GTRW back to backs weeks 2 and 1, Toronto teams that don't like to travel will be doing back to back, early regionals.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

Very exciting that Crescent School is hosting GTR West this year. (Or maybe it should be renamed GTR Central) They've hosted very successful FLL and VRC events in the past, I'm sure this event will be great. Unfortunately 1114 won't be able to attend as our school is hosting the Ontario Provincial VRC Championship that same weekend. Will be weird not being a part of GTR West, but at least there are now five options for events in the Province.

Racer26 20-09-2013 15:44

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Gotta say, I'm a little confused by Crescent School being the host. Don't get me wrong, 610 is a great team, and will be great hosts, but their facility isn't exactly conducive to the type of environment an FRC event needs.

From what I know of their school, there isn't really an appropriate spot to host a FRC field, complete with enough seating for 30+ teams, plus 30+ 10x10 pits with aisleways nearby.

I presume the venue is Crescent's field house, which I understand they had a partial field set up in for practice in 2013 due to space concerns.

The building is roughly 40m x 40m judging by the satellite image on Google. Crescents Website says 30,000 ft^2, which doesn't add up. The on-floor footprint of an FRC field plus all of its gear is about 40x70ft = 2800ft^2. Add some buffer for aisles between the field and whatever seating there is, and you get pretty close to NCAA basketball courts at 50x94ft. This is easily seen at Waterloo, where we play on an NCAA-spec Basketball Court. Pits needs another area that size minimum. Then people need somewhere to sit.

Crescent school has ~135 parking spaces based on the satellite image on Google. There is no nearby public parking facilities. 30 teams plus event staff? Never mind that the school will presumably still need some of its parking for staff and students not involved in the event, I can't see how enough cars will fit.

Certainly, I don't see this event being able to have capacity >28-32 teams, same as Waterloo.

This is a problem, as its replacing an event that had 60+ capacity.

Yes, Ontario as a whole has gained some capacity this year with the addition of Windsor and North Bay, but its lost about 30% of its former capacity in the Toronto area. Of the 73 Ontario teams registered in 2013, this relocated event at Crescent is geographically the closest to 40 of them. Additionally, almost 44% of Ontario's 73 teams were multiple regional attendees in 2013.

I don't see this leaving much room for growth in Ontario in 2014, especially in the Toronto area. This also completely ignoring the ~23 Ontario teams that were lost in 2013 to the Teacher Strike who may return.

All in all, cool, I'm excited for an event at Crescent, but if they were axing half of GTRWest's capacity, they should have added a 3rd similarly-sized GTR, perhaps in the Mississauga area (Rick Hansen SS maybe?)

Steven Donow 20-09-2013 15:53

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Another thing to note: there are only 4 preliminary events now (Razorback, Tech Valley, Long Island, and Pittsburgh), and now the two "Sunday-Monday" events in NEFIRST are now Saturday-Sunday-probably was just a typo on FIRST's part.

PayneTrain 20-09-2013 16:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1292168)
Gotta say, I'm a little confused by Crescent School being the host. Don't get me wrong, 610 is a great team, and will be great hosts, but their facility isn't exactly conducive to the type of environment an FRC event needs.

From what I know of their school, there isn't really an appropriate spot to host a FRC field, complete with enough seating for 30+ teams, plus 30+ 10x10 pits with aisleways nearby.

I presume the venue is Crescent's field house, which I understand they had a partial field set up in for practice in 2013 due to space concerns.

The building is roughly 40m x 40m judging by the satellite image on Google. Crescents Website says 30,000 ft^2, which doesn't add up. The on-floor footprint of an FRC field plus all of its gear is about 40x70ft = 2800ft^2. Add some buffer for aisles between the field and whatever seating there is, and you get pretty close to NCAA basketball courts at 50x94ft. This is easily seen at Waterloo, where we play on an NCAA-spec Basketball Court. Pits needs another area that size minimum. Then people need somewhere to sit.

Crescent school has ~135 parking spaces based on the satellite image on Google. There is no nearby public parking facilities. 30 teams plus event staff? Never mind that the school will presumably still need some of its parking for staff and students not involved in the event, I can't see how enough cars will fit.

Certainly, I don't see this event being able to have capacity >28-32 teams, same as Waterloo.

This is a problem, as its replacing an event that had 60+ capacity.

Yes, Ontario as a whole has gained some capacity this year with the addition of Windsor and North Bay, but its lost about 30% of its former capacity in the Toronto area. Of the 73 Ontario teams registered in 2013, this relocated event at Crescent is geographically the closest to 40 of them. Additionally, almost 44% of Ontario's 73 teams were multiple regional attendees in 2013.

I don't see this leaving much room for growth in Ontario in 2014, especially in the Toronto area. This also completely ignoring the ~23 Ontario teams that were lost in 2013 to the Teacher Strike who may return.

All in all, cool, I'm excited for an event at Crescent, but if they were axing half of GTRWest's capacity, they should have added a 3rd similarly-sized GTR, perhaps in the Mississauga area (Rick Hansen SS maybe?)

The listed capacity of GTR-Crescent School is 20. I imagine it might have wiggle room up to 24 so the regional could potentially field 8 playoff alliances. The total listed capacity of all Ontario regionals combined is 145, and I imagine if necessary could edge up a little bit. If the province fielded 90 teams next year and half of them attended 2 events, there would still be slots left for other teams outside of the province.

Regardless, I'm not on the planning committee of any of these events nor am I a participant in any capacity with FIRST Canada, including its volunteering group or advisory/director board, so I'd defer to them knowing what to anticipate relative to teams, venues, and how the capacity for the events work together.

cad321 20-09-2013 17:04

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So 1114 wont be at GTR West. Does anyone know if 2056 will be attending. If they're not than this would make a much more even playing field, Even if they are though, with 1114 not competing it will open up another spot to give an extra team the opportunity to make it to worlds.

Racer26 20-09-2013 17:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1292171)
The listed capacity of GTR-Crescent School is 20. I imagine it might have wiggle room up to 24 so the regional could potentially field 8 playoff alliances. The total listed capacity of all Ontario regionals combined is 145, and I imagine if necessary could edge up a little bit. If the province fielded 90 teams next year and half of them attended 2 events, there would still be slots left for other teams outside of the province.

Regardless, I'm not on the planning committee of any of these events nor am I a participant in any capacity with FIRST Canada, including its volunteering group or advisory/director board, so I'd defer to them knowing what to anticipate relative to teams, venues, and how the capacity for the events work together.

The running theory is that FIRST Robotics Canada is holding 8-10 spots at the Crescent school event for rookies.

This is similar when compared to Ontario's other super-tiny event, Waterloo. Waterloo has capacity for 30-32 teams, but is currently showing much less open capacity.

In 2013, when we had the teacher's strike swallow a bunch of public school board teams, and stifle public school board rookies, we had about 24 rookies, and lost about 25 teams to the strike.

Based on my predictions, I believe Ontario will see 70ish of its 2013 teams return, plus about 20 of the 2012 vets that were lost to the teachers strike, plus about 35-40 new rookies (assuming we keep steady growth, and the public school board rookies start coming again.)

That's about 130 teams by my count. In 2013, 30% of Ontario teams went to 2 regionals, and 13.5% went to 3. If that split stays consistent and my predictions for growth are correct, that means that Ontario needs capacity for about 205 teams at events. That's a whole event more than we're showing right now.

Pault 20-09-2013 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cad321 (Post 1292176)
So 1114 wont be at GTR West. Does anyone know if 2056 will be attending. If they're not than this would make a much more even playing field, Even if they are though, with 1114 not competing it will open up another spot to give an extra team the opportunity to make it to worlds.

Although I am always inspired by the dominance of a 1114 2056 alliance (that's easy for me to say, I'm not on the receiving end of it) I hope that we can see them go to 1 or 2 different events. That will really make for some interesting regionals, especially is as good this year as they were last year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1292169)
and now the two "Sunday-Monday" events in NEFIRST are now Saturday-Sunday-probably was just a typo on FIRST's part.

I'm pretty sure your right, that was a typo. They actually made this change about a week after they released a schedule. The Th-Fr events are strange enough, we didn't need Sun-Mon.

EricH 22-09-2013 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1292183)
The running theory is that FIRST Robotics Canada is holding 8-10 spots at the Crescent school event for rookies.

This is similar when compared to Ontario's other super-tiny event, Waterloo. Waterloo has capacity for 30-32 teams, but is currently showing much less open capacity.

Similar to many other events as well. My understanding is that for any given event, a number of slots are held back for rookies, particularly late-registering rookies. The exact number varies, I think, but 8-10 is a pretty good target.

For example, Los Angeles is listed as a 55-team event. Last year's event capacity was 65 teams, at the same venue--and I'll vouch that room is plentiful in there even with 65 teams. That means that there are 10 slots not available; it's reasonable to assume that they're being held back for rookie teams.

Mr V 22-09-2013 20:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1292492)
Similar to many other events as well. My understanding is that for any given event, a number of slots are held back for rookies, particularly late-registering rookies. The exact number varies, I think, but 8-10 is a pretty good target.

For example, Los Angeles is listed as a 55-team event. Last year's event capacity was 65 teams, at the same venue--and I'll vouch that room is plentiful in there even with 65 teams. That means that there are 10 slots not available; it's reasonable to assume that they're being held back for rookie teams.

All traditional regionals are set up with 10 spots "reserved" for rookies or other hardship cases. The district events are set up with 5 spots reserved except for NE which is holding back 10.

Alpha Beta 24-09-2013 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meredith Novak (Post 1292170)
We should be able to announce something in Arkansas early next week. Nothing like right up to the wire. Sigh.

Moving to Searcy, and dropping the name Razorback?

Gorav Menon 08-10-2013 16:29

Re: FRC Blogged-Something New--Early Release of Event Dates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1292168)
Gotta say, I'm a little confused by Crescent School being the host. Don't get me wrong, 610 is a great team, and will be great hosts, but their facility isn't exactly conducive to the type of environment an FRC event needs.

From what I know of their school, there isn't really an appropriate spot to host a FRC field, complete with enough seating for 30+ teams, plus 30+ 10x10 pits with aisleways nearby.

I presume the venue is Crescent's field house, which I understand they had a partial field set up in for practice in 2013 due to space concerns.

The building is roughly 40m x 40m judging by the satellite image on Google. Crescents Website says 30,000 ft^2, which doesn't add up. The on-floor footprint of an FRC field plus all of its gear is about 40x70ft = 2800ft^2. Add some buffer for aisles between the field and whatever seating there is, and you get pretty close to NCAA basketball courts at 50x94ft. This is easily seen at Waterloo, where we play on an NCAA-spec Basketball Court. Pits needs another area that size minimum. Then people need somewhere to sit.

Crescent school has ~135 parking spaces based on the satellite image on Google. There is no nearby public parking facilities. 30 teams plus event staff? Never mind that the school will presumably still need some of its parking for staff and students not involved in the event, I can't see how enough cars will fit.

Certainly, I don't see this event being able to have capacity >28-32 teams, same as Waterloo.

This is a problem, as its replacing an event that had 60+ capacity.

Yes, Ontario as a whole has gained some capacity this year with the addition of Windsor and North Bay, but its lost about 30% of its former capacity in the Toronto area. Of the 73 Ontario teams registered in 2013, this relocated event at Crescent is geographically the closest to 40 of them. Additionally, almost 44% of Ontario's 73 teams were multiple regional attendees in 2013.

I don't see this leaving much room for growth in Ontario in 2014, especially in the Toronto area. This also completely ignoring the ~23 Ontario teams that were lost in 2013 to the Teacher Strike who may return.

All in all, cool, I'm excited for an event at Crescent, but if they were axing half of GTRWest's capacity, they should have added a 3rd similarly-sized GTR, perhaps in the Mississauga area (Rick Hansen SS maybe?)


Thank you for your thoughts. I believe the document below will address all of your concerns and questions. We are hard at work to produce the best regional we possibly can, taking into consideration all of the concerns that have been brought up by FIRST and yourself.

Crescent School's FRC Regional: GTR West Information
http://team610.com/wordpress/wp-cont...nformation.pdf

Thank You,

Racer26 08-10-2013 16:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GM! (Post 1295329)
Thank you for your thoughts. I believe the document below will address all of your concerns and questions. We are hard at work to produce the best regional we possibly can, taking into consideration all of the concerns that have been brought up by FIRST and yourself.

Crescent School's FRC Regional: GTR West Information
http://team610.com/wordpress/wp-cont...nformation.pdf

Thank You,

Well, it doesn't answer all of my concerns, but I'm really glad to see that the team behind this event is working hard to make it awesome. I look forward to being there!

ErvinI 08-10-2013 21:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GM! (Post 1295329)
Thank you for your thoughts. I believe the document below will address all of your concerns and questions. We are hard at work to produce the best regional we possibly can, taking into consideration all of the concerns that have been brought up by FIRST and yourself.

Crescent School's FRC Regional: GTR West Information
http://team610.com/wordpress/wp-cont...nformation.pdf

Thank You,

I am very impressed that you guys thought out how to handle scouting. That ScoutCentre idea sounds amazing.

AdamHeard 09-10-2013 00:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ErvinI (Post 1295398)
I am very impressed that you guys thought out how to handle scouting. That ScoutCentre idea sounds amazing.

Yes it does.

Very curious how it works out. I wager it's highly dependant on quality of video and camera angle.

Racer26 09-10-2013 13:49

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Should be interesting.

Provided that they can keep HD quality streaming across their school's network on a properly set up wide-angle lens? Should be OK.

*Some* of the regional streams were good enough last year over the internet that scouting would have been possible. GKC, GTREast, and MICMP come to mind.

IKE 09-10-2013 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GM! (Post 1295329)
Thank you for your thoughts. I believe the document below will address all of your concerns and questions. We are hard at work to produce the best regional we possibly can, taking into consideration all of the concerns that have been brought up by FIRST and yourself.

Crescent School's FRC Regional: GTR West Information
http://team610.com/wordpress/wp-cont...nformation.pdf

Thank You,

I am extremely interested in how this works. May be a great "thought" for Championship scouting.

I have "tele-scouted" from afar in previous years. Text messaging was helpful, though you don't have a good feel for how relevant the info you are giving is.

Make sure the angle is wide enough to pick up the Human Players if it is a Human Player important game (like 2009 or 2011).


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