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cadandcookies 31-08-2013 21:26

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One of the things that impressed me reading through this was how much care and effort was put into manufacturing prototypes-- 254's prototypes (from the videos) looked nicer and worked better than most of my team's finished mechanisms! Excuse me while I learn again why 254 is a world-class team.

This was a real treat to read.

Nemo 01-09-2013 07:07

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"Lab closing time for the night was… 11:30 AM (Yes, AM)"

Apparently you folks put in some late nights and early mornings this past season.

These blogs are absolutely fascinating. It's great to see inside the Cheesy Poofs' shop and get a look at just how organized and hard working the team is.

tim-tim 01-09-2013 21:40

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WOW. Just simply, wow.

That was a great read! It's on the list of things to do prior to kickoff.

NickE 04-09-2013 11:44

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Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 1289381)
Right, except that it's apparently not visible past day 11 on FF and Chrome. Or at least, that's how it is for me. I suppose I'll just jump to IE. *sigh*

The scrolling issues have been fixed. Sorry about that.

kellymc 08-09-2013 15:01

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I'm interested in some more details regarding the encoders on the drivetrain. They look to be US Digital S4 encoders, however I don't see a mount for the body, how are they mounted to the frame?

Kelly

MichaelBick 08-09-2013 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kellymc (Post 1290467)
I'm interested in some more details regarding the encoders on the drivetrain. They look to be US Digital S4 encoders, however I don't see a mount for the body, how are they mounted to the frame?

Kelly

As far as I know many west coast teams drill a hole into the drive shaft, push the encoder into the hole, and then zip tie the wire to the belly pan. No mount is needed.

DampRobot 08-09-2013 16:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1290473)
As far as I know many west coast teams drill a hole into the drive shaft, push the encoder into the hole, and then zip tie the wire to the belly pan. No mount is needed.

It's how we did it for our offseason robot. It's great. The only word of caution is to make sure you've got a good fit between the hole and the encoder shaft. If its too loose, it will easily fall out. If its too tight, you'll bend the shaft when trying to insert it. We marred up the encoder shafts using vise grips to make it easier to get a nice press fit.

AdamHeard 08-09-2013 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1290473)
As far as I know many west coast teams drill a hole into the drive shaft, push the encoder into the hole, and then zip tie the wire to the belly pan. No mount is needed.

Correct, we do this almost everywhere.

Sometimes we use a standoff as a post next to the encoder body to make it easier to lock torsionally.

Gregor 08-09-2013 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1290473)
As far as I know many west coast teams drill a hole into the drive shaft, push the encoder into the hole, and then zip tie the wire to the belly pan. No mount is needed.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the encoder is just floating or resting on something?

Pat Fairbank 08-09-2013 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1290495)
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the encoder is just floating or resting on something?

It's generally just floating, with whatever's holding onto the wire (typically a ziptie) providing the tiny amount of force needed to keep the encoder from spinning with the axle.

The idea behind this is to not mechanically over-constrain the encoder, as rigidly mounting the encoder as well as pressing its shaft into the axle would do.

BrendanB 08-09-2013 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1290492)
Correct, we do this almost everywhere.

Sometimes we use a standoff as a post next to the encoder body to make it easier to lock torsionally.

Do you guys have any pictures of said West Side sorcery? We East Side folks be wondering. ;)

Jon Jack 09-09-2013 02:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1290505)
Do you guys have any pictures of said West Side sorcery? We East Side folks be wondering. ;)

You can sort of see it here. Look at the last picture in the original post. There's no mount. The bore for the encoder is a tight fit (just under press fit) and the encoder wire is zip tied to the baseplate.

Joe G. 09-09-2013 08:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1290505)
Do you guys have any pictures of said West Side sorcery? We East Side folks be wondering. ;)

Here's the best shot I saw on 254's blog.

ttldomination 09-09-2013 09:10

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Originally Posted by Joe G. (Post 1290579)

That looks mighty...sketchy. I suppose the fact that so many people use this method speaks to its validity, but doesn't the encoder want to spin with the axle? While I expect that the zipped down wires help some of that, I can't help but think that there's a little wiggle in there.

- Sunny G.

MichaelBick 09-09-2013 09:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 1290586)
That looks mighty...sketchy. I suppose the fact that so many people use this method speaks to its validity, but doesn't the encoder want to spin with the axle? While I expect that the zipped down wires help some of that, I can't help but think that there's a little wiggle in there.

- Sunny G.

Even if it does wiggle, it really can't wiggle enough to mess up 15 seconds of driving.


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