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16skittles 08-09-2013 21:41

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 (Post 1290515)
No, the rules state that if any blocks other than the pre-loaded autonomous blocks are scored in auto, the alliance's entire block score from auto is discounted.

Would it still be legal to reload the bot with four blocks ready to be placed before driving up onto the bridge? Or would it be ineffective? It's all a matter of time, I guess. A few seconds saved might not be worth the effort of autonomous loading. With the bridge score, if you can make full bridge, is worth more than the twelve points you could have as soon as teleop begins. If the best you can do reliably is the ten-point half bridge, then maybe that twelve point capability with the little bit of saved time could be a good thing.

jwallace15 08-09-2013 21:42

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Is there anything in the rules about raising flags in auton/raising your opposing alliance's flag? That could be done in auton to sabotoge the other alliance's end game.

Eisa 08-09-2013 22:48

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jwallace15 (Post 1290525)
Is there anything in the rules about raising flags in auton/raising your opposing alliance's flag? That could be done in auton to sabotoge the other alliance's end game.


Charmanderella 09-09-2013 10:04

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
<GS6> states "During the Autonomous period, robots can only score pre-loaded blocks. If any other blocks other than the two autonomous blocks are scored by an Alliance during the autonomous period, their autonomous period block score is zero...." Would it be possible to score in the opposing alliance pendulum/floor goal so that they score three blocks, thus making their autonomous score zero? ...Or would it put our alliance score at zero?

Scott_4140 09-09-2013 11:14

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charmanderella (Post 1290594)
<GS6> states "During the Autonomous period, robots can only score pre-loaded blocks. If any other blocks other than the two autonomous blocks are scored by an Alliance during the autonomous period, their autonomous period block score is zero...." Would it be possible to score in the opposing alliance pendulum/floor goal so that they score three blocks, thus making their autonomous score zero? ...Or would it put our alliance score at zero?

The rule seems pretty specific that it applies to the Alliance performing the action.

<GS6> During the Autonomous Period, Robots can only Score pre-loaded Blocks. If any Blocks other than the two Autonomous Blocks are Scored by an Alliance during the Autonomous Period, their Autonomous Period Block Score is zero. They can, however, still get a Bridge Bonus.

Scott_4140 09-09-2013 11:17

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charmanderella (Post 1290594)
<GS6> states "During the Autonomous period, robots can only score pre-loaded blocks. If any other blocks other than the two autonomous blocks are scored by an Alliance during the autonomous period, their autonomous period block score is zero...." Would it be possible to score in the opposing alliance pendulum/floor goal so that they score three blocks, thus making their autonomous score zero? ...Or would it put our alliance score at zero?

That's assuming you got an extra block.

If you scored your Autonomous block in their goal, I'd bet you just gave them an extra 22-43 points!

Mr. 1033 09-09-2013 12:19

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Anyone else play around with a "max score calculation"?

If my team's assumptions are correct we calculated it to be 705.

This of course is all 100 blocks scored in outer goals, max score in autonomous (both scored in IR outer goal and both fully on bridge), and an endgame where the flag is raised fully and both robots hang/hang on each other and then the pole.

This would leave the other alliance with a scoring potential max of 175.

Let me know if we went somewhere wrong in the math.

Thanks!

Dan Oelke 09-09-2013 12:35

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Has anyone been successful in printing the one page game description?

http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...e_One_Page.pdf

I've tried a number of things and there seems to be an error in the PDF. I can read it on the screen, but not print it no matter which machine/OS/etc I try.

Scott_4140 09-09-2013 13:03

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 1033 (Post 1290608)
Anyone else play around with a "max score calculation"?

If my team's assumptions are correct we calculated it to be 705.

This of course is all 100 blocks scored in outer goals, max score in autonomous (both scored in IR outer goal and both fully on bridge), and an endgame where the flag is raised fully and both robots hang/hang on each other and then the pole.

This would leave the other alliance with a scoring potential max of 175.

Let me know if we went somewhere wrong in the math.

Thanks!

We got the same number of 705 for max offense scoring.

Penalties are handled different this year. Penalties are added to the opposing Alliance's score. In theory this means the max score is unlimited.

Ranking points shouldn't be affected by penalties.

Quote:

3.6.7
The number of ranking points assigned for each match is that of the losing alliance’s score. Both Alliances receive the pre-penalized score of the losing alliance as their RP.

CougarRobot 09-09-2013 13:35

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Scott_4140 (Post 1290613)
Penalties are handled different this year. Penalties are added to the opposing Alliance's score. In theory this means the max score is unlimited.

Ranking points shouldn't be affected by penalties.

I know it's not an official part of the competition but there is always a healthy side competition to set record high scores. It's mildly disappointing to think that the high scores will likely be generated by a combination of good offense and major penalties.

Mr. 1033 09-09-2013 13:52

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Very true! We were not thinking about penalties. Glad to hear we are all on the same page as far as the max "scorable" score being 705.

On a different note, has anyone with the new AndyMark playing field played around with the dimensions for building the flagpoles? The building guide says some of the geometery may be different but does not specify as to what could change.

Ideas?

Scott_4140 09-09-2013 14:10

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 1033 (Post 1290622)
On a different note, has anyone with the new AndyMark playing field played around with the dimensions for building the flagpoles? The building guide says some of the geometery may be different but does not specify as to what could change.

Ideas?

We have a VEX field and the only thing I needed to change was the small PVC pipe (P18) that holds the Flag assembly out from the corner. You may also need to adjust the length of (P9) to get the critical dimension of 11.5" on page 63 to come out right.

Scott_4140 09-09-2013 15:59

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CougarRobot (Post 1290616)
I know it's not an official part of the competition but there is always a healthy side competition to set record high scores. It's mildly disappointing to think that the high scores will likely be generated by a combination of good offense and major penalties.

If my assumption is correct on scoring your Autonomous Block in the Opposing Alliance's Pendulum Goal isn't actually a penalty, but merely a "gift" to the Opposing Alliance, then that would add 80 points to the max score potential. Bringing our new "mostly" offensive total up to 785 point.

It's even more far fetched than getting 50 blocks in one of the outside Pendulum Goals, but we're dealing with theoretical possibilities. :D

Eisa 09-09-2013 19:38

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 1033 (Post 1290622)
Very true! We were not thinking about penalties. Glad to hear we are all on the same page as far as the max "scorable" score being 705.

The max score implies 3 things:
  1. The opposing alliance does not acquire any penalties
  2. The opposing alliance drops any pre-loaded blocks/does not pre-load any blocks into their robot.
  3. The IR beacons are placed under one of the outside goals. (If not, the max score would be 702 points)

Nuttyman54 09-09-2013 20:51

Re: [FTC]: FTC Block Party! Official Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. 1033 (Post 1290608)
Anyone else play around with a "max score calculation"?

If my team's assumptions are correct we calculated it to be 705.

This of course is all 100 blocks scored in outer goals, max score in autonomous (both scored in IR outer goal and both fully on bridge), and an endgame where the flag is raised fully and both robots hang/hang on each other and then the pole.

This would leave the other alliance with a scoring potential max of 175.

Let me know if we went somewhere wrong in the math.

Thanks!

For what it's worth, you can only physically fit 27 blocks in each bin if you stack them perfectly (3x3x3 cube). In practice, I found that around 19-20 can be dropped in before they start falling out. Now..the way they define "Inside" is within the vertical projection of the object, so you could theoretically continue stacking blocks on top and if they don't fall off or extend beyond the projection of the walls of the pendulum bins they still count.

In practice, I would say that if you're careful you could realistically get 25 per bin. So the maximum feasible score would be:

Auto:
80 block + 40 bridge = 120

Teleop:
(25*3+25*2)*2 Block +50% balance bonus = 375
35 Flag Score
100 Hanging Score

Total = 630


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