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Some updated totals heading into the week, so teams chomping at the bit for unrestricted registration day to gaze upon.
As you may notice, Alamo and South Florida closed today, so while you will likely sorta get off the waitlist in these events, no guarantees except what lies beneath. Week 2 Northern Lights (Duluth, MN) - 7 Hub City (Lubbock, TX)- 34 Week 3 Mexico City - 19 Week 4 Buckeye (Cleveland, OH)- 10 Week 5 Queen City (Cincinnati, OH) - 11 Pittsburgh - 1 Week 6 Western Canada (Calgary, AB) -7 Windsor Essex Great Lakes - 17 Lone Star (Houston, TX) - 21 I wonder what the increase in teams doubling up on traditional regionals looks like this year. |
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I am now officially worried about Florida FRC this year
As of right now both of our regionals are "full" and we are at 56 teams in the state, last year we had 72 teams. Now Orlando has had a capacity of 64 teams since 2011 so 9 more spots could be available there, but that still doesn't make up for the fact that we have 16 teams less then last year. What is really shocking is that most of our missing teams are not the usual case of lack of rookie retention, (5 out of our 8 rookies are returning this year) it is our veteran teams that have not registered yet: 59, 665, 1612, 2757, 3376, 3502, 3557, 3611, 3659, 3732, and 3790 all were considered veterans last year and have not registered yet for a competition anywhere. I would really love to know what happened to the teams above and if anyone can give a hint as to why they might think we have such a hit on our veteran teams. Before it is brought up I am aware that the 3000+ teams hit the 4 year wall this year and you see a lot of teams fold around that time but this seems a little out of the ordinary even for that |
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At least the Virginia Regional will be the 65+mecca we know and love this year *sigh* |
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They were both in convention centers, which tend to be expensive. The DC venue change will reduce the cost of the event by more than $100k. |
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It's worse than just DC teams. Once we got wait listed for the MD event, we started looking at other possibilities. The options were limited. There were only two events within an 8 hour drive from Richmond. MD, DC, VA, NC, SC, GA, TN; every single event in these states were full minutes after 2nd enrollment began. It makes FIRST that much more expensive when you have to factor long distance travel into the equation.
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We passed last seasons total teams (2524) around noon today.
Currently at Mostly due to what appears to be some teams coming off waitlists. Michigan has also added a new District event in Midland, MI. Two rookies are currently all who are registered there. |
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Check "FIRST Robotics Competition" and "Events". Extend "List Length" to at least "100" and click "Show results" ctrl + f "Midland" (I've had iffy results trying to link to these results in the past) |
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It's also the 7th Michigan district event listed here: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events
Michigan has 252 teams listed. With 13 events they can handle a nominal 260 teams. The added event was inevitable I suppose. |
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Interesting, since that now requires a 3rd field.
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Ontario Teams still missing:
From 2013: 2625 3396 4015 4200 4372 4659 4688 4699 - Were registered at GTREast in 2013, but didn't show up. 4806 4807 4808 From 2012: 843 - Competed 2002-2012. 2 events per season each season from 2004. 1009 - Competed 2003-2006, 2011-2012, 1 event per season (always at Hershey Center). 1053 - Competed 2003-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center) 1221 - Competed 2003-2008, 2010-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center), except 2012, when they also played at GTREast. 1514 - Competed 2005-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center), except 2012, when they also played at Waterloo 1535 - Split from 1596 in 2007, multiple events per year from 2007-2012. 1835 - Competed 2006-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center) 2076 - Competed 2007-2009, 2011-2012, 2 events in 2008/2009. 3739 4022 4094 4236 4249 4258 4307 4357 4367 |
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Updated Michigan Stats
(edited post because another team registered while I was typing) 254 teams registered thus far for 2014 (vs. 203 teams in 2013) including...
There are 8 eight digit teams listed, indicating that there's at least a handful of teams still waiting in the wings. There are currently 13 district events, and Ed Law's post a few replies back implies that there is possibly a 14th district event in the works (good thing, since we appear to be pushing 260 teams, at which point it would be necessary). If the capacity for the Michigan State Championships remains at 64 as it has been since the advent of districts, the top 25% of teams will be invited to attend (as opposed to the top 31% of teams last season). The retention rate from 2013 is currently 94%. There are 13 teams still missing that competed last season: 519, 2000, 2137, 2851, 3421, 3640, 3706, 4294, 4478, 4743, 4755, 4834, and 4839. A few of those teams surprise me as they've been very successful as recently as 2013 (notably 2000, 2137, and 2851 all of whom qualified to attend worlds last season). Has anybody heard from any of these teams? |
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Thankfully we had a sizable number of seniors who graduated and the number of teams in the county has exploded, including one at the high school of the town in which our school was located (we were out of the county's vocational school). The remaining students should be able to join a team at either their home school or one nearby, if interested. Egad! I'm part of a 5000 team now! :eek: |
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Reminder that unrestricted registration opens tomorrow. Who else is planning on signing up for another (or even their first) regional?
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Probably going to sign up for our home regional, Lone Star.
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Any updates on waitlists that are being cleared?
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(The winky face is a "just kidding" because I'm certain the question of splitting FiM into two districts requires significantly more serious consideration that the ease of looking up district stats.) Also, FiM is currently at 279 teams, plus a couple hidden on waitlists and four temporary eight digit team numbers that appeared today. I'm going to wait until after the payment deadline (and for the team list to level out after any teams drop out) to post a final update since I feel like I'm close to hitting "thread cluttering" level. |
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Maybe you divide the state into 5 "sections" or "divisions" that each have 4 of their own districts. Then you earn points in your districts to move onto your divisional round, then to the state championship. It's like in college basketball where you play a regular season, then are placed into a division in the NCAA tournament, and then you move on to the Big Dance? I don't know. |
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Traverse City ... 7. Everything other district event from before this year is even farther. So, the Escanaba event at only 3 hours from Houghton is a nice treat. |
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Texas would like to welcome FRC Teams # 4801 & 4802 from Australia, and FRC Team # 5270 From Istanbul, Turkey to the Hub City Regional. I hope they get a lot of frequent flyer miles!
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48 got in to Wisconsin off the waitlist - looking forward to it!
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(Although, maybe we would be more welcoming if you decided to bench all your starters in fantasy footbal this week ;) ) |
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Colorado has a team from the UAE this year too I believe. |
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She wasn't feeling very good about Team Rock coming back this season. |
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If anybody can comment on the accuracy of this, please do. |
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A senior from 2000 who is now at my university says that most of the involved/interested people were seniors who have graduated, and so the team was folding.
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For example, our second team, FRC 193 formed last year, but has a listed rookie year of 1997 (11's rookie year). The stipulation when they received their number was that it could not be lower than any other rookies from that year (I think this may have been because the team number system changed after the 1997 season.) The highest numbered team from 1997 was team 192. |
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Crossed the 2700 team milestone this morning.
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Looks like Michigan added Waterford as a 14th District event March 28-29. No teams are registered yet. Neither Waterford nor the new Midland district have been added to the FiM site yet. Midland also isn't showing up in a search on the usfirst.org site, and on FRC links only shows up when searching for "all areas" rather than just Michigan. Midland does however have 30 teams registered.
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Midland's name also has been changed to: Great Lakes Bay Region FIRST Robotics District Competition
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Not to be competitive or anything, but according to this list California has 237 teams and Michigan has 284 teams out of a total of 2718. This suggests that Michigan has more teams than California, who has (roughly) 4 times as many people as Michigan does. It also means that Michigan has over 10% of FRC teams. :D
Does anyone know anything about unregistered teams? How many are there? Where can I find this information? |
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If they have and 8-digit number, they (I believe) are in the interim prior to registering for an event. |
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Hub City is becoming quite an international regional. Now with 4 teams from Australia, 5 from China, and 1 from Turkey, all we are missing is some from Canada and Mexico. :)
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Its neat to see growth internationally, hopefully these teams can grow quickly and form a chinese and an Australia regional next year |
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Several years ago, I took a whack at listing US states ranked by number of FRC teams per million residents. |
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Does anyone know which regionals have open spots left ?
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A lot of teams are going to be disappointed that they do not get to attend a second regional this season. Meanwhile in MAR, NE and PNW all but 2 of the wait lists have been cleared, and only 1 of those have more teams than spots. FiM has a few wait lists but they only recently added two additional events that I believe brought them up to the needed capacity for everyone to play twice. |
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I do know there are a couple event that haven't cleared their waitlist because they're in a real pickle (i.e. with <10 spots left you have 8 local teams, local rookies, and some OOS teams)
Some states/regions are building teams without implementing a scalable competition model (for a variety of rational, sensible reasons) but this is the result. |
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http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events
Just noticed this today. Does anyone know what it is for? |
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Let's break this down here: "Pre-Forfeit" I have no idea what that could mean. "Team" Makes sense. "Non-Competing" The only like I can see to what we have existing already is that for RAS and EI, a team can compete for the award at their District Championship without actually competing with their robot. Maybe, this is their to reflect those teams that win. For example, Team 321 won EI at MAR Championships last year, and because they were not registered there, this is not reflected in any official FIRST documentation, other than looking at the manual entered awards page on the event page. Maybe this is a "fake event" to reflect that? This also has happened with DL winners in MAR. |
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The title seems to be "Forfeit Team Non-Competition" now. Haven't there been a few teams in the past that register just for the kit and don't plan on attending the Regionals they signed up for? I thought I heard something about an Australian team doing so. If that's the case, this "event" might be for those teams.
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Here's the only team listed so far:
Blacktown, NSW, Australia Blacktown Boys High School 4801 The sibling Girls team is not listed here, but is listed for Hub City, so maybe they're only going to send one of their teams abroad this season. |
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Maybe they need to be registered somewhere to get a KoP, but they don't want to actually compete. They could just be building a robot for the Australia offseason, and need a KoP.
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There are 13-20 teams from China. 1 played last season. 12 rookies are registered for events like Hawaii, Lone Star, Hub City, and Central Illinois. There are also seven 8-digit teams listed.
They come from all over, including Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Wuhan, Chongqing, Qingdao, Harbin, ZhengZhou, Dalian, Changchun, and Yantai, several of which are among the largest cities in China. Does anyone know what's causing this growth? Is there a person or group coordinating this effort? It seems like too much to be spontaneous or coincidental. |
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3 mentors from FRC 525 (myself included), 1 mentor from FTC 6420 and a student that graduated last year from our team are going to China to conduct a three day mentor workshop. (We leave on the Dec 22nd and get back on the 28th.) The workshop will be held at the school that competed last year. |
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I actually stumbled across an old Popular Science magazine from 2009, where in an article about "Reinventing Culture" Dean Kamen was disappointed because he felt that he had not met his goal of putting an FRC team in every high school. We're not there yet...but this much growth in one year in a foreign country as large as China...very exciting for this season. Good luck with your workshop! |
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Hi, I’m a student on FIRST Team 3132, Thunder Down Under. I’d really like to clear up some of the confusion regarding Australian teams registering.
Doing FRC in Australia is really expensive, for a variety of reasons. For a start, the US-Australian exchange rate is not always favourable. Also, ordering parts from AndyMark or Vex means really expensive shipping, which can double the cost by the time we get it. In other words, it can cost an Australian team double what it costs a North American team to build a robot - and then you have to get the regional, which can cost over $US 40K! Because of the expense, of the (currently 14) Australian teams that register, half do not attend a regional. All Australian teams (even those that do attend regionals) attend the Duel Down Under off season event in Sydney, Australia, which is open to all FRC teams across the world. However, in order to register (and thus receive a kit), teams need to designate a regional. This year, I think that all (6 or 7) of the Aussie teams planning on attending a regional are registered for Hawaii – it’s the closest to us. Aussie teams not planning to attend a regional tend to wait until later in the registration process, so they don’t deny other teams a spot. They then pick a regional with empty spots, which is why they keep popping up in seemingly strange places. When they do register, they let FIRST know that they will not be attending, so that spots can be freed up for local teams. Blacktown Boys, who is currently registered for ‘Forfeit team non-competition’, is not registered for Hawaii, so my guess is that they are NOT travelling and just need a kit, and FIRST is aware of this. Of course, none of this will be an issue when we get an official Australian regional, hopefully in a few years time. |
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Do the teams only attending the Australian off-season bag up their robots after build season? Because that seems kind of silly if it is true.
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What I mean is, since most teams have the option to work on their robot after Championships, and the Duel Down Under is after Championships, teams would have to stop woking on the robot from March-April, only to open it up and work on it again from May-June.
If the Duel Down Under Competition requires that you bag your robot after your last regular season competition (Like the Minnesota State High School League Championship), then bagging at SBD would make sense. |
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The increase in Districts has increased the percentage of 2-event teams.
The shortage of Regional slots really haven't reduced the percentage of 3+event teams. At least not significantly yet. The 2014 numbers aren't complete yet, so expect some changes. Including 2014 Districts & Regionals:
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I went back to matching numbers from comparable time periods. |
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The 2013 #'s now do NOT include teams in areas that are in districts in 2014. I have to revisit and verify these numbers, because I keep getting distracted... |
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I have seen that the Hub City Regional is down to 47 after it peaked at 51 teams. All of the Australian teams are gone. I wonder if they couldn't come up with the needed funds to cover all the expenses for this year. Very sad, I was looking forward to meeting the blokes from down under.
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FRC has another new country!
Rookie team 5311, the Space Cookies of Colombia, from Bogota, Colombia, registered for Silicon Valley. |
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Kazakhstan
Team 5328 18 countries heard from (not counting any of the Kit-only teams) 1-Colombia 1-England 1-Germany 1-Kazakhstan 1-Netherlands 1-Singapore 1-Taiwan 1-United Arab Emirates 2-Dominican Republic 3-Chile 9-Brazil 9-Turkey 11-Australia 13-China 39-Mexico 52-Israel 182-Canada 2459-USA |
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Now that registration is officially closed, how long until FIRST clears all of the waitlists? Are the teams the get in off the waitlist selected at the regional director level, or by FIRST HQ? Is there a standard algorithm on who gets in?
Teams not registered anywhere else > Rookie > Local Area Team > Teams trying for a 2nd event > Teams trying for a 3rd event? |
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It's a little unique to the individual events as to when the lists get cleared.
Many are cleared already. If you have an event in mind I can give you what happened for registration last year. I think the Regional Director, et. al. draw up a recommended list of teams to pull off the waitlist and submit it to FIRST HQ who has the final say and may revise the order based on criteria the RD may not be aware of. Different RD's may have different priorities, but your suggested list, if not the absolute order, seems reasonable. I'd add regional diversity as another possible criteria. |
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Still waiting on Troy, it's our only hope for a second regional for three of my teams.
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Several teams from Long Island were told they didn't have a prayer of getting off the waitlist for Troy, because it's the closest for so many teams sandwiched by the MAR/NE Districts, so a couple of them switched to Cleveland where the waitlist was short.
Other teams had to just bow out of a second event altogether this year. So just because an event doesn't show available room, it may be worth it to talk to FIRST HQ about possible alternate events. Although it probably means more driving time (~3 times more for LI to Cleveland, than for LI to Troy, but for DC it's 6 hrs to either event). |
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2794 teams, but it's oscillating up/down still. Expect that number to rise a bit and drop off even more over the next few weeks.
Here's the registration chart as of the close. |
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