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Dewmark 28-10-2013 22:14

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Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1293176)
Interesting. Montreal is full with only 6 rookies. and 3360 may have created a situation for themselves where they can't even go to their home regional.

Also interesting? What's happening with the team names of the various Ontario teams restructured as community teams last year. Some, like 1114, have dropped their 2013 name and reverted back to their 2012 and prior styling, while others, like 1241, have kept the 2013 style, and still others, like 1334, have added their school name back in, but kept their 2013 name as well.

Actually there is 37 teams that are signed up for the Montreal Regional and I believe there are 42 spots...

PayneTrain 29-10-2013 00:03

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Some updated totals heading into the week, so teams chomping at the bit for unrestricted registration day to gaze upon.

As you may notice, Alamo and South Florida closed today, so while you will likely sorta get off the waitlist in these events, no guarantees except what lies beneath.

Week 2
Northern Lights (Duluth, MN) - 7
Hub City (Lubbock, TX)- 34

Week 3
Mexico City - 19

Week 4
Buckeye (Cleveland, OH)- 10

Week 5
Queen City (Cincinnati, OH) - 11
Pittsburgh - 1

Week 6
Western Canada (Calgary, AB) -7
Windsor Essex Great Lakes - 17
Lone Star (Houston, TX) - 21

I wonder what the increase in teams doubling up on traditional regionals looks like this year.

wilsonmw04 29-10-2013 00:12

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1298999)
I wonder what the increase in teams doubling up on traditional regionals looks like this year.

I don't think it's an increase in double regionals that is causing this. I think, for the mid Atlantic anyway, it's a reduction in local regional slots. It looks like DC and Chesapeake have reduced their field this year. The crunch hurts.

Anupam Goli 29-10-2013 01:22

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Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1299000)
I don't think it's an increase in double regionals that is causing this. I think, for the mid Atlantic anyway, it's a reduction in local regional slots. It looks like DC and Chesapeake have reduced their field this year. The crunch hurts.

It seems that many regional planning committees are moving away from the 60 team massive cluster towards a smaller, more manageable number of teams. Atleast this means more matches. 8 matches is not enough to determine proper seeding. The downside is less teams will be able to go to that 2nd or 3rd regional they want to go to.

Navid Shafa 29-10-2013 01:40

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1298950)
I don't think they've played East of CA before CMP in the past five seasons or so...

LV: '09, oh'10.

MARS_James 29-10-2013 08:11

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I am now officially worried about Florida FRC this year

As of right now both of our regionals are "full" and we are at 56 teams in the state, last year we had 72 teams.

Now Orlando has had a capacity of 64 teams since 2011 so 9 more spots could be available there, but that still doesn't make up for the fact that we have 16 teams less then last year. What is really shocking is that most of our missing teams are not the usual case of lack of rookie retention, (5 out of our 8 rookies are returning this year) it is our veteran teams that have not registered yet: 59, 665, 1612, 2757, 3376, 3502, 3557, 3611, 3659, 3732, and 3790 all were considered veterans last year and have not registered yet for a competition anywhere.

I would really love to know what happened to the teams above and if anyone can give a hint as to why they might think we have such a hit on our veteran teams. Before it is brought up I am aware that the 3000+ teams hit the 4 year wall this year and you see a lot of teams fold around that time but this seems a little out of the ordinary even for that

PayneTrain 29-10-2013 08:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1299000)
I don't think it's an increase in double regionals that is causing this. I think, for the mid Atlantic anyway, it's a reduction in local regional slots. It looks like DC and Chesapeake have reduced their field this year. The crunch hurts.

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1298201)
To remedy the bunching up from last year, two of the events are in a smaller venue...

That's definitely part of it. Ideally this is just the one crunch year the region operates under before the jump to the new model (Ideally). On top of that, the changing of dates for some teams probably made them rethink how and where to apply first and second, chucking a bunch of Virginia teams onto their own regional's wait list.

At least the Virginia Regional will be the 65+mecca we know and love this year

*sigh*

Wetzel 29-10-2013 10:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1299000)
I don't think it's an increase in double regionals that is causing this. I think, for the mid Atlantic anyway, it's a reduction in local regional slots. It looks like DC and Chesapeake have reduced their field this year. The crunch hurts.

DC and Chesapeake are both in new venues at George Mason University and UMD College Park. This will remove 30+ spots between the two events. Between that and with DC sandwiched in the week between the Maryland and Virginia regional, that doesn't leave a lot of options for DC teams to get a second event.

Wetzel

Ernst 29-10-2013 10:35

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Originally Posted by Wetzel (Post 1299058)
DC and Chesapeake are both in new venues at George Mason University and UMD College Park. This will remove 30+ spots between the two events. Between that and with DC sandwiched in the week between the Maryland and Virginia regional, that doesn't leave a lot of options for DC teams to get a second event.

Wetzel

Why did they make the change? Were the normal venues unavailable?

Wetzel 29-10-2013 10:39

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Originally Posted by ZehP (Post 1299059)
Why did they make the change? Were the normal venues unavailable?

Cost.
They were both in convention centers, which tend to be expensive. The DC venue change will reduce the cost of the event by more than $100k.

wilsonmw04 29-10-2013 13:36

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It's worse than just DC teams. Once we got wait listed for the MD event, we started looking at other possibilities. The options were limited. There were only two events within an 8 hour drive from Richmond. MD, DC, VA, NC, SC, GA, TN; every single event in these states were full minutes after 2nd enrollment began. It makes FIRST that much more expensive when you have to factor long distance travel into the equation.

Mark McLeod 04-11-2013 14:29

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We passed last seasons total teams (2524) around noon today.
Currently at 2562 2577.

Mostly due to what appears to be some teams coming off waitlists.

Michigan has also added a new District event in Midland, MI.
Two rookies are currently all who are registered there.

GaryVoshol 04-11-2013 18:46

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Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1300094)
Michigan has also added a new District event in Midland, MI.

Where is that listed? I don't see it on the FIM site or on the USFIRST events site.

Ernst 04-11-2013 19:31

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1300133)
Where is that listed? I don't see it on the FIM site or on the USFIRST events site.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....age=searchform

Check "FIRST Robotics Competition" and "Events". Extend "List Length" to at least "100" and click "Show results"

ctrl + f "Midland"


(I've had iffy results trying to link to these results in the past)

Mark McLeod 04-11-2013 20:06

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It's also the 7th Michigan district event listed here: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events

Michigan has 252 teams listed. With 13 events they can handle a nominal 260 teams. The added event was inevitable I suppose.

GaryVoshol 05-11-2013 06:42

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Interesting, since that now requires a 3rd field.

Racer26 05-11-2013 10:41

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Ontario Teams still missing:

From 2013:

1846 - Appeared at QCMO of all places...
2625
2702 - Somehow got into ONWA
3396
3560 - Somehow got into ONTO2
3705 - Appeared at ONTO2
4015
4200
4252 - Appeared at ONTO
4372
4618 - Appeared at ONTO
4659
4678 - Appeared at ONWA and ONWI
4688
4699 - Were registered at GTREast in 2013, but didn't show up.
4727 - Appeared at ONTO
4777 - Somehow got into ONWA
4806
4807
4808

From 2012:

843 - Competed 2002-2012. 2 events per season each season from 2004.
1009 - Competed 2003-2006, 2011-2012, 1 event per season (always at Hershey Center).
1053 - Competed 2003-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center)
1221 - Competed 2003-2008, 2010-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center), except 2012, when they also played at GTREast.
1514 - Competed 2005-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center), except 2012, when they also played at Waterloo
1535 - Split from 1596 in 2007, multiple events per year from 2007-2012.
1605 - Competed 2005-2010, 2012, usually 2 events per year. - Appeared at ONNB
1835 - Competed 2006-2012, 1 event per season (Hershey Center)
2076 - Competed 2007-2009, 2011-2012, 2 events in 2008/2009.
3739
4022
4094
4236
4249
4258
4307
4357
4367

Ed Law 05-11-2013 11:17

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1300133)
Where is that listed? I don't see it on the FIM site or on the USFIRST events site.

Gary, I am as surprised as you are but in a different way. Per FiM request on Sunday, I looked into where to have additional events based on team locations and existing district event locations. I made the recommendation to add two locations (Midland/Saginaw and one other to remain nameless for now) and was on the phone until 1am on Monday. To have a place firmed up in a certain week, and FIRST got it listed and registered two rookies in a matter of hours on Monday is amazing to me. I will have Kristen update the FiM as soon as possible. I wasn't expecting it to be so quick which is why you didn't see it on the FiM site. Ed

Steven Donow 05-11-2013 11:19

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 1300257)
Interesting, since that now requires a 3rd field.

Not necessarily, in previous years, MAR had only one field (this year they're getting a new one), and just used on official FIRST field on the week that had two events, so one can assume FiM will do the same the weekend with 3 events(unless they wish to make another field)

Allison K 05-11-2013 11:53

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Updated Michigan Stats
(edited post because another team registered while I was typing)

254 teams registered thus far for 2014 (vs. 203 teams in 2013) including...
  • 3 Resurrected Veterans
  • 1 New Veteran
  • 60 Rookie Teams
  • 23 Second Year Teams

There are 8 eight digit teams listed, indicating that there's at least a handful of teams still waiting in the wings.

There are currently 13 district events, and Ed Law's post a few replies back implies that there is possibly a 14th district event in the works (good thing, since we appear to be pushing 260 teams, at which point it would be necessary).

If the capacity for the Michigan State Championships remains at 64 as it has been since the advent of districts, the top 25% of teams will be invited to attend (as opposed to the top 31% of teams last season).

The retention rate from 2013 is currently 94%. There are 13 teams still missing that competed last season: 519, 2000, 2137, 2851, 3421, 3640, 3706, 4294, 4478, 4743, 4755, 4834, and 4839. A few of those teams surprise me as they've been very successful as recently as 2013 (notably 2000, 2137, and 2851 all of whom qualified to attend worlds last season). Has anybody heard from any of these teams?

Kimmeh 05-11-2013 13:29

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300315)
The retention rate from 2013 is currently 94%. There are 13 teams still missing that competed last season: 519, 2000, 2137, 2851, 3421, 3640, 3706, 4294, 4478, 4743, 4755, 4834, and 4839.

Unless the school suddenly (and shockingly) decides to field the team, 3421 will not be competing this year. Two mentors and a student are joining a new team in Memphis (5046). The school let go of the lead mentor, the other mentors aren't in a position to step up and take it, and the school is unwilling to let parents take control of the team.

Thankfully we had a sizable number of seniors who graduated and the number of teams in the county has exploded, including one at the high school of the town in which our school was located (we were out of the county's vocational school). The remaining students should be able to join a team at either their home school or one nearby, if interested.



Egad! I'm part of a 5000 team now! :eek:

P.J. 05-11-2013 13:56

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300315)
[*]1 New Veteran

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a "resurrected veteran" and a "new veteran?"

Allison K 05-11-2013 14:00

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Originally Posted by P.J. (Post 1300329)
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a "resurrected veteran" and a "new veteran?"

Resurrected Veterans are teams that have competed in the past, dropped out for one or more seasons, and then returned. New Veterans are teams that have formed from experienced students from an existing team (such as a multi-school team splitting into two teams, or a single school forming additional teams at the same school) that haven't existed in any previous year and are assigned a number with the same rookie year as the original team.

wilsonmw04 05-11-2013 14:00

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Originally Posted by P.J. (Post 1300329)
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between a "resurrected veteran" and a "new veteran?"

a new vet is a new team with veteran members. The other is an old team that reformed.

P.J. 05-11-2013 14:07

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300331)
New Veterans are teams that have formed from experienced students from an existing team (such as a multi-school team splitting into two teams, or a single school forming additional teams at the same school) that haven't existed in any previous year and are assigned a number with the same rookie year as the original team.

That's what I thought. Who's our new veteran in Michigan then?

Allison K 05-11-2013 14:13

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Originally Posted by P.J. (Post 1300333)
That's what I thought. Who's our new veteran in Michigan then?

The New Vet is 3886, which appears to be the sister team to 3767 out of Traverse City West High School. The Resurrected Vets are 1076 out of Ann Arbor (last competed in 2012), 2048 out of Detroit (last competed in 2011), and 3538 out of Auburn Hills (last competed in 2012).

Jscout11 06-11-2013 17:31

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Reminder that unrestricted registration opens tomorrow. Who else is planning on signing up for another (or even their first) regional?

Anupam Goli 06-11-2013 23:16

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Originally Posted by Jscout11 (Post 1300574)
Reminder that unrestricted registration opens tomorrow. Who else is planning on signing up for another (or even their first) regional?

We're probably good with our two events, as it will cost us too much money and it's not worth going to a third event for us (logistics and financially would be hard for us). Hopefully they start clearing some of the waitlists after tomorrow.

Abhishek R 06-11-2013 23:29

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Probably going to sign up for our home regional, Lone Star.

dodar 06-11-2013 23:29

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1300651)
Probably going to sign up for our home regional, Lone Star.

Really cool to see you guys coming to Orlando.

Akash Rastogi 07-11-2013 13:22

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Any updates on waitlists that are being cleared?

Wetzel 07-11-2013 13:29

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Originally Posted by Jscout11 (Post 1300574)
Reminder that unrestricted registration opens tomorrow. Who else is planning on signing up for another (or even their first) regional?

I had several of my teams sign up for a third event in the hope that we will make it off the waitlist at one of the two events after our home event.

Mr V 07-11-2013 15:10

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1300755)
Any updates on waitlists that are being cleared?

Teams are moved off of the wait lists by the RD and other key members in the region or district. So in the case of MAR and PNW districts they wait lists have been cleared. Many regionals have also cleared their wait lists.

DonRotolo 07-11-2013 19:02

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300315)
Updated Michigan Stats

254 teams registered thus far for 2014 (vs. 203 teams in 2013) including...
  • 3 Resurrected Veterans
  • 1 New Veteran
  • 60 Rookie Teams
  • 23 Second Year Teams

FiM might want to start thinking about splitting in two in a few years, if that growth continues.

Allison K 07-11-2013 19:39

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Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1300847)
FiM might want to start thinking about splitting in two in a few years, if that growth continues.

Noooooooooooo. It would be so much harder to look up district stats if I couldn't just hit 'Michigan' and be all set. Unless FIRST updates their databases to be searchable by district, then go for it ;)

(The winky face is a "just kidding" because I'm certain the question of splitting FiM into two districts requires significantly more serious consideration that the ease of looking up district stats.)

Also, FiM is currently at 279 teams, plus a couple hidden on waitlists and four temporary eight digit team numbers that appeared today. I'm going to wait until after the payment deadline (and for the team list to level out after any teams drop out) to post a final update since I feel like I'm close to hitting "thread cluttering" level.

Mr V 07-11-2013 20:10

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300850)
Noooooooooooo. It would be so much harder to look up district stats if I couldn't just hit 'Michigan' and be all set. Unless FIRST updates their databases to be searchable by district, then go for it ;)

(The winky face is a "just kidding" because I'm certain the question of splitting FiM into two districts requires significantly more serious consideration that the ease of looking up district stats.)

Also, FiM is currently at 279 teams, plus a couple hidden on waitlists and four temporary eight digit team numbers that appeared today. I'm going to wait until after the payment deadline (and for the team list to level out after any teams drop out) to post a final update since I feel like I'm close to hitting "thread cluttering" level.

In RIMS there is the option to search by district but that was added very recently so it may filter down to the general public site. On the other hand since it is intended for the general public then they may want to keep it searchable by state since someone from the true general public wouldn't know where the boundaries were. On the other other hand in Texas when you are looking up contacts there are options for East, West and Central Texas w/o stating any boundaries.

PayneTrain 07-11-2013 20:39

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Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1300847)
FiM might want to start thinking about splitting in two in a few years, if that growth continues.

They have a pretty sweet deal with operating a State Championship that is also the most successful FRC-sanctioned event outside of THE Championship Event, so I don't think they would split the state. I could expect them to somehow add another level of competition at some point between the district and MSC. I might have heard Jim talk about that last night.

Maybe you divide the state into 5 "sections" or "divisions" that each have 4 of their own districts. Then you earn points in your districts to move onto your divisional round, then to the state championship. It's like in college basketball where you play a regular season, then are placed into a division in the NCAA tournament, and then you move on to the Big Dance? I don't know.

Akash Rastogi 07-11-2013 20:52

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1300869)
They have a pretty sweet deal with operating a State Championship that is also the most successful FRC-sanctioned event outside of THE Championship Event, so I don't think they would split the state. I could expect them to somehow add another level of competition at some point between the district and MSC. I might have heard Jim talk about that last night.

Maybe you divide the state into 5 "sections" or "divisions" that each have 4 of their own districts. Then you earn points in your districts to move onto your divisional round, then to the state championship. It's like in college basketball where you play a regular season, then are placed into a division in the NCAA tournament, and then you move on to the Big Dance? I don't know.

Or add another state to the mix?

XaulZan11 07-11-2013 21:03

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1300870)
Or add another state to the mix?

Well, with Indiana and Illinois likely forming a district, it looks like Wisconsin is the only bordering state free. ;)

Basel A 07-11-2013 21:06

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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1300873)
Well, with Indiana and Illinois likely forming a district, it looks like Wisconsin is the only bordering state free. ;)

Upper peninsula teams are always complaining that the drive to their districts is longer than to the Wisconsin Regional! Though there's a UP district this year, for the first time

Christopher149 08-11-2013 19:40

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1300875)
Upper peninsula teams are always complaining that the drive to their districts is longer than to the Wisconsin Regional! Though there's a UP district this year, for the first time

You got that right. Duluth is 4 hours from us, Milwaukee is 5.5, Twin Cities ~6.

Traverse City ... 7. Everything other district event from before this year is even farther.

So, the Escanaba event at only 3 hours from Houghton is a nice treat.

Pjohn1959 13-11-2013 09:41

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Texas would like to welcome FRC Teams # 4801 & 4802 from Australia, and FRC Team # 5270 From Istanbul, Turkey to the Hub City Regional. I hope they get a lot of frequent flyer miles!

Travis Hoffman 13-11-2013 11:01

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48 got in to Wisconsin off the waitlist - looking forward to it!

XaulZan11 13-11-2013 12:14

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1301739)
48 got in to Wisconsin off the waitlist - looking forward to it!

Great to hear you got in!

(Although, maybe we would be more welcoming if you decided to bench all your starters in fantasy footbal this week ;) )

Akash Rastogi 13-11-2013 12:30

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Originally Posted by Pjohn1959 (Post 1301723)
Texas would like to welcome FRC Teams # 4801 & 4802 from Australia, and FRC Team # 5270 From Istanbul, Turkey to the Hub City Regional. I hope they get a lot of frequent flyer miles!

Just wondering, do North American regionals offer to help offset costs for teams from other countries? I heard that Hawaii helped out mainland teams in 2008 with some costs so they could attend.

jeser#1772 13-11-2013 12:56

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1301752)
Just wondering, do North American regionals offer to help offset costs for teams from other countries? I heard that Hawaii helped out mainland teams in 2008 with some costs so they could attend.

Western Canada Regional did this last year, the only one I remember.

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Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1184090)
Western Canada FRC Regional is looking to recruit existing FRC teams to sign up for the inaugural event.
 
April 4 - 6th (week 6), 2013 at the Olympic Oval in Calgary Alberta

At our event we will have 15-20 Rookie teams, having experienced FRC teams would be an amazing addition to the event.
$1,500 grant to help cover part of the cost of travel (if needed)
Subsidized accommodations and or billeting available
Less than a 12 hour drive from Washington, Idaho or Oregon to Calgary
Calgary International Regional Airport is a hub for most airline carriers
Support a brand new FRC Regional event and provide experienced presence for new FRC teams
4 world class ski resorts within a 2 hour drive
Tons of interesting tourist experiences including a brand new $40 million Science Centre
Invite any inquiries to be directed to…
 
Blair Gallant
Regional Director


JohnSchneider 13-11-2013 14:53

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Originally Posted by Pjohn1959 (Post 1301723)
Texas would like to welcome FRC Teams # 4801 & 4802 from Australia, and FRC Team # 5270 From Istanbul, Turkey to the Hub City Regional. I hope they get a lot of frequent flyer miles!

I'd be really curious if they come. I know the Australian teams often sign up for regionals to get their kits but then dont attend due to logistics.

Colorado has a team from the UAE this year too I believe.

Ryan Caldwell 14-11-2013 15:58

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300315)
There are 13 teams still missing that competed last season: 519, 2000, 2137, 2851, 3421, 3640, 3706, 4294, 4478, 4743, 4755, 4834, and 4839. A few of those teams surprise me as they've been very successful as recently as 2013 (notably 2000, 2137, and 2851 all of whom qualified to attend worlds last season). Has anybody heard from any of these teams?

The reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated...We are currently wait listed at both our district events because we opted out of our "home" event. Thus Michigan doesn't have us officially participating yet. Centerline and Livonia

Koko Ed 14-11-2013 16:06

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Originally Posted by Allison K (Post 1300335)
The New Vet is 3886, which appears to be the sister team to 3767 out of Traverse City West High School. The Resurrected Vets are 1076 out of Ann Arbor (last competed in 2012), 2048 out of Detroit (last competed in 2011), and 3538 out of Auburn Hills (last competed in 2012).

I talked to a mentor from 2000 @ MSC.
She wasn't feeling very good about Team Rock coming back this season.

Calvin Hartley 14-11-2013 19:32

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1302036)
I talked to a mentor from 2000 @ MSC.
She wasn't feeling very good about Team Rock coming back this season.

I've heard that they (or some of the members) were merging with 2054. I can't speak for the accuracy of this statement but I have heard it from multiple sources. This is intiresting because I believe 2054 was a split-off from 2000.

If anybody can comment on the accuracy of this, please do.

Littleboy 14-11-2013 19:36

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Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1302066)
I've heard that they (or some of the members) were merging with 2054. I can't speak for the accuracy of this statement but I have heard it from multiple sources. This is intiresting because I believe 2054 was a split-off from 2000.

If anybody can comment on the accuracy of this, please do.

2054's rookie year was in 2007. 2000's first year was in 2010. I think 2000 was split from 2054, not the other way around.

Calvin Hartley 14-11-2013 21:11

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Originally Posted by Littleboy (Post 1302068)
2054's rookie year was in 2007. 2000's first year was in 2010. I think 2000 was split from 2054, not the other way around.

Thanks. Now that you say that, that is what I heard. I knew it was something along those lines though. :p

Christopher149 14-11-2013 23:34

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A senior from 2000 who is now at my university says that most of the involved/interested people were seniors who have graduated, and so the team was folding.

orangemoore 15-11-2013 00:41

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Originally Posted by Littleboy (Post 1302068)
2054's rookie year was in 2007. 2000's first year was in 2010. I think 2000 was split from 2054, not the other way around.

Can someone explain how a team could be 3 years older and have a number difference of 54

Thanks!

Jscout11 15-11-2013 00:58

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Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1302107)
Can someone explain how a team could be 3 years older and have a number difference of 54

Thanks!

If a team branches off from another team, they are often not considered rookies, but rather a "new veteran" because they often share much of the experience and resources of the original team. The new veteran is given the same rookie year as the original team and a corresponding number to that year (ie 2014=4900+).

For example, our second team, FRC 193 formed last year, but has a listed rookie year of 1997 (11's rookie year). The stipulation when they received their number was that it could not be lower than any other rookies from that year (I think this may have been because the team number system changed after the 1997 season.) The highest numbered team from 1997 was team 192.

Koko Ed 15-11-2013 02:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1302066)
I've heard that they (or some of the members) were merging with 2054. I can't speak for the accuracy of this statement but I have heard it from multiple sources. This is intiresting because I believe 2054 was a split-off from 2000.

If anybody can comment on the accuracy of this, please do.

The mentor who I talked to had an older son on 2000 and a younger son on 2054. It seems like what's left of 2000 will probably end up on 2054.

Mark McLeod 18-11-2013 08:58

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Crossed the 2700 team milestone this morning.

Allison K 18-11-2013 13:55

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Looks like Michigan added Waterford as a 14th District event March 28-29. No teams are registered yet. Neither Waterford nor the new Midland district have been added to the FiM site yet. Midland also isn't showing up in a search on the usfirst.org site, and on FRC links only shows up when searching for "all areas" rather than just Michigan. Midland does however have 30 teams registered.

Mark McLeod 18-11-2013 17:00

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Midland's name also has been changed to: Great Lakes Bay Region FIRST Robotics District Competition

Calvin Hartley 18-11-2013 21:58

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Not to be competitive or anything, but according to this list California has 237 teams and Michigan has 284 teams out of a total of 2718. This suggests that Michigan has more teams than California, who has (roughly) 4 times as many people as Michigan does. It also means that Michigan has over 10% of FRC teams. :D

Does anyone know anything about unregistered teams? How many are there? Where can I find this information?

Christopher149 18-11-2013 22:42

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Link

If they have and 8-digit number, they (I believe) are in the interim prior to registering for an event.

Caleb Sykes 18-11-2013 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1303218)
Not to be competitive or anything, but according to this list California has 237 teams and Michigan has 284 teams out of a total of 2718. This suggests that Michigan has more teams than California, who has (roughly) 4 times as many people as Michigan does. It also means that Michigan has over 10% of FRC teams. :D

Not to be competitive or anything, but Minnesota should have a little over 200 teams this year, despite the fact that Michigan's population is roughly double that of Minnesota's. :D

Pjohn1959 19-11-2013 07:42

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Hub City is becoming quite an international regional. Now with 4 teams from Australia, 5 from China, and 1 from Turkey, all we are missing is some from Canada and Mexico. :)

lynca 19-11-2013 09:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pjohn1959 (Post 1303326)
Hub City is becoming quite an international regional. Now with 4 teams from Australia, 5 from China, and 1 from Turkey, all we are missing is some from Canada and Mexico. :)

Houston Lone Star Regional also has 3 teams from China,

Its neat to see growth internationally, hopefully these teams can grow quickly and form a chinese and an Australia regional next year

Calvin Hartley 19-11-2013 11:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by inkling16 (Post 1303230)
Not to be competitive or anything, but Minnesota should have a little over 200 teams this year, despite the fact that Michigan's population is roughly double that of Minnesota's. :D

Hahaha, okay, you win in that respect. Maybe. It would be intiresting to see what the numbers look like for team density in different areas.

Richard Wallace 19-11-2013 15:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1303381)
Hahaha, okay, you win in that respect. Maybe. It would be intiresting to see what the numbers look like for team density in different areas.

I am pretty sure Mark has that data. :cool:

Several years ago, I took a whack at listing US states ranked by number of FRC teams per million residents.

lynca 21-11-2013 15:26

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Does anyone know which regionals have open spots left ?

wilsonmw04 21-11-2013 15:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lynca (Post 1304183)
Does anyone know which regionals have open spots left ?

Hub City (4 spaces) and Mexico City (15 spaces) look to be the only ones left. Everything else looks to be wait listed.

MARS_James 21-11-2013 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1304187)
Hub City (4 spaces) and Mexico City (15 spaces) look to be the only ones left. Everything else looks to be wait listed.

If this is true that is crazy :eek: I have never heard of only two regionals not being at capacity. (Though after December 5th it will be interesting how that changes)

Steven Donow 21-11-2013 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1304218)
If this is true that is crazy :eek: I have never heard of only two regionals not being at capacity. (Though after December 5th it will be interesting how that changes)

Technically, a bunch more aren't at capacity, but those are just the hidden future waitlist spots/rookie spots.

Mr V 21-11-2013 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1304229)
Technically, a bunch more aren't at capacity, but those are just the hidden future waitlist spots/rookie spots.

A number of events have filled their reserved spots and most of the regionals that do have reserved spots left have more or way more teams on the wait list than they do spots.

A lot of teams are going to be disappointed that they do not get to attend a second regional this season.

Meanwhile in MAR, NE and PNW all but 2 of the wait lists have been cleared, and only 1 of those have more teams than spots. FiM has a few wait lists but they only recently added two additional events that I believe brought them up to the needed capacity for everyone to play twice.

PayneTrain 21-11-2013 20:26

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I do know there are a couple event that haven't cleared their waitlist because they're in a real pickle (i.e. with <10 spots left you have 8 local teams, local rookies, and some OOS teams)

Some states/regions are building teams without implementing a scalable competition model (for a variety of rational, sensible reasons) but this is the result.

Littleboy 22-11-2013 16:11

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http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events
Just noticed this today. Does anyone know what it is for?

Steven Donow 22-11-2013 16:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Littleboy (Post 1304610)
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events
Just noticed this today. Does anyone know what it is for?

This definitely wasn't there last night. In reality, it's probably for testing something, but at the same time, why would they call it, "Pre-Forfeit Team Non-Competing"?

Let's break this down here:

"Pre-Forfeit"
I have no idea what that could mean.

"Team"
Makes sense.

"Non-Competing"
The only like I can see to what we have existing already is that for RAS and EI, a team can compete for the award at their District Championship without actually competing with their robot.
Maybe, this is their to reflect those teams that win. For example, Team 321 won EI at MAR Championships last year, and because they were not registered there, this is not reflected in any official FIRST documentation, other than looking at the manual entered awards page on the event page. Maybe this is a "fake event" to reflect that? This also has happened with DL winners in MAR.

Aren Siekmeier 22-11-2013 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1304611)
"Pre-Forfeit"
I have no idea what that could mean.

Perhaps "Pre-Forfeit" because they are waiting on some teams to give up their extra regional registrations to make room for new teams with no spot. In the meantime, the new teams can register for this "Non-Competition." Being officially registered for an event is I believe required for payment, team registration, and kit delivery, so just being on a waitlist wouldn't cut it, is my guess.

Ernst 22-11-2013 16:42

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The title seems to be "Forfeit Team Non-Competition" now. Haven't there been a few teams in the past that register just for the kit and don't plan on attending the Regionals they signed up for? I thought I heard something about an Australian team doing so. If that's the case, this "event" might be for those teams.

Mark McLeod 22-11-2013 17:22

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Here's the only team listed so far:

Blacktown, NSW, Australia
Blacktown Boys High School
4801


The sibling Girls team is not listed here, but is listed for Hub City, so maybe they're only going to send one of their teams abroad this season.

Gregor 22-11-2013 18:03

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Maybe they need to be registered somewhere to get a KoP, but they don't want to actually compete. They could just be building a robot for the Australia offseason, and need a KoP.

Ernst 23-11-2013 17:16

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There are 13-20 teams from China. 1 played last season. 12 rookies are registered for events like Hawaii, Lone Star, Hub City, and Central Illinois. There are also seven 8-digit teams listed.

They come from all over, including Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Wuhan, Chongqing, Qingdao, Harbin, ZhengZhou, Dalian, Changchun, and Yantai, several of which are among the largest cities in China.

Does anyone know what's causing this growth? Is there a person or group coordinating this effort? It seems like too much to be spontaneous or coincidental.

Tom Ore 23-11-2013 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZehP (Post 1304946)
Does anyone know what's causing this growth? Is there a person or group coordinating this effort? It seems like too much to be spontaneous or coincidental.

There's a business man in China driving the effort. We (FRC 525) met him in 2012 at champs and he was interested in starting FRC teams. One of our parents (who's from China) has kept in contact with him since. The business man was back in St. Louis at champs this year. He brought a cameraman and filmed in our pit for about 2 1/2 hours. He interviewed a couple of our mandarin speaking students for a special to be broadcast in China to attract schools that might be interested. (I never heard how that turned out, but he did attract schools from all over China.)

3 mentors from FRC 525 (myself included), 1 mentor from FTC 6420 and a student that graduated last year from our team are going to China to conduct a three day mentor workshop. (We leave on the Dec 22nd and get back on the 28th.) The workshop will be held at the school that competed last year.

Abhishek R 23-11-2013 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ore (Post 1304964)
There's a business man in China driving the effort. We (FRC 525) met him in 2012 at champs and he was interested in starting FRC teams. One of our parents (who's from China) has kept in contact with him since. The business man was back in St. Louis at champs this year. He brought a cameraman and filmed in our pit for about 2 1/2 hours. He interviewed a couple of our mandarin speaking students for a special to be broadcast in China to attract schools that might be interested. (I never heard how that turned out, but he did attract schools from all over China.)

That's really impressive.

I actually stumbled across an old Popular Science magazine from 2009, where in an article about "Reinventing Culture" Dean Kamen was disappointed because he felt that he had not met his goal of putting an FRC team in every high school. We're not there yet...but this much growth in one year in a foreign country as large as China...very exciting for this season.

Good luck with your workshop!

Katna.Grace 23-11-2013 21:22

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Hi, I’m a student on FIRST Team 3132, Thunder Down Under. I’d really like to clear up some of the confusion regarding Australian teams registering.

Doing FRC in Australia is really expensive, for a variety of reasons. For a start, the US-Australian exchange rate is not always favourable. Also, ordering parts from AndyMark or Vex means really expensive shipping, which can double the cost by the time we get it. In other words, it can cost an Australian team double what it costs a North American team to build a robot - and then you have to get the regional, which can cost over $US 40K!

Because of the expense, of the (currently 14) Australian teams that register, half do not attend a regional. All Australian teams (even those that do attend regionals) attend the Duel Down Under off season event in Sydney, Australia, which is open to all FRC teams across the world.

However, in order to register (and thus receive a kit), teams need to designate a regional. This year, I think that all (6 or 7) of the Aussie teams planning on attending a regional are registered for Hawaii – it’s the closest to us. Aussie teams not planning to attend a regional tend to wait until later in the registration process, so they don’t deny other teams a spot. They then pick a regional with empty spots, which is why they keep popping up in seemingly strange places. When they do register, they let FIRST know that they will not be attending, so that spots can be freed up for local teams.

Blacktown Boys, who is currently registered for ‘Forfeit team non-competition’, is not registered for Hawaii, so my guess is that they are NOT travelling and just need a kit, and FIRST is aware of this.


Of course, none of this will be an issue when we get an official Australian regional, hopefully in a few years time.

Caleb Sykes 23-11-2013 22:14

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Do the teams only attending the Australian off-season bag up their robots after build season? Because that seems kind of silly if it is true.

Caleb Sykes 23-11-2013 22:21

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What I mean is, since most teams have the option to work on their robot after Championships, and the Duel Down Under is after Championships, teams would have to stop woking on the robot from March-April, only to open it up and work on it again from May-June.

If the Duel Down Under Competition requires that you bag your robot after your last regular season competition (Like the Minnesota State High School League Championship), then bagging at SBD would make sense.

Mark McLeod 24-11-2013 20:17

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The increase in Districts has increased the percentage of 2-event teams.
The shortage of Regional slots really haven't reduced the percentage of 3+event teams. At least not significantly yet.
The 2014 numbers aren't complete yet, so expect some changes.

Including 2014 Districts & Regionals:
  • (1) 4-event team (.04%)
  • (34) 3-event teams (1.24%)
  • (1073) 2-event teams (39.02%)
  • (1642) 1-event teams (59.71%)
As a comparison in 2013 at roughly this same time of registration, the percentages were:
  • (4) 4-event teams (.16%)
  • (41) 3-event teams (1.63%)
  • (760) 2-event teams (30.13%)
  • (1717) 1-event teams (68.08%)

AGPapa 24-11-2013 20:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1305382)
The increase in Districts has increased the percentage of 2-event teams.
The shortage of Regional slots have reduced the percentage of 3+event teams.
The 2014 numbers aren't complete yet, so expect some changes.

Including 2014 Districts & Regionals:
  • (1) 4-event team (.04%)
  • (34) 3-event teams (1.24%)
  • (1073) 2-event teams (39.02%)
  • (1642) 1-event teams (59.71%)
As a comparison in 2013 the percentages were:
  • 5&6-event teams .84%
  • 4-event teams 2.7%
  • 3-event teams 22.8%
  • 2-event teams 27.8%
  • 1-event teams 56.8%

Do your 2013 numbers include District Championships/World Championship?

Mark McLeod 24-11-2013 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1305395)
Do your 2013 numbers include District Championships/World Championship?

They did before, but not now.
I went back to matching numbers from comparable time periods.

Wetzel 25-11-2013 10:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1305382)
The increase in Districts has increased the percentage of 2-event teams.
The shortage of Regional slots really haven't reduced the percentage of 3+event teams. At least not significantly yet.
The 2014 numbers aren't complete yet, so expect some changes.

Including 2014 Districts & Regionals:
  • (1) 4-event team (.04%)
  • (34) 3-event teams (1.24%)
  • (1073) 2-event teams (39.02%)
  • (1642) 1-event teams (59.71%)
As a comparison in 2013 at roughly this same time of registration, the percentages were:
  • (4) 4-event teams (.16%)
  • (41) 3-event teams (1.63%)
  • (760) 2-event teams (30.13%)
  • (1717) 1-event teams (68.08%)

Can you exclude districts and give the same numbers for teams outside of them?

Mark McLeod 25-11-2013 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetzel (Post 1305515)
Can you exclude districts and give the same numbers for teams outside of them?

I just so happened to have this sitting around...

2014:
  • (1) 4-event team (0.05%)
  • (24) 3-event team (1.17%)
  • (527) 2-event team (25.78%)
  • (1492) 1-event team (72.99%)
2013:
  • (5) 4-event team (0.26%)
  • (30) 3-event team (1.57%)
  • (443) 2-event team (23.18%)
  • (1433) 1-event team (74.99%)
P.S.
The 2013 #'s now do NOT include teams in areas that are in districts in 2014.
I have to revisit and verify these numbers, because I keep getting distracted...

Pjohn1959 27-11-2013 00:07

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I have seen that the Hub City Regional is down to 47 after it peaked at 51 teams. All of the Australian teams are gone. I wonder if they couldn't come up with the needed funds to cover all the expenses for this year. Very sad, I was looking forward to meeting the blokes from down under.

Mr V 27-11-2013 00:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pjohn1959 (Post 1306383)
I have seen that the Hub City Regional is down to 47 after it peaked at 51 teams. All of the Australian teams are gone. I wonder if they couldn't come up with the needed funds to cover all the expenses for this year. Very sad, I was looking forward to meeting the blokes from down under.

As mentioned a number of the Austrialian teams are what are considered paid forfeit. They register and pay so they can get a kit and then inform FIRST that they will not be attending. Hopefully FIRST down under can grow to the point that they can have their own regional and all of the teams can compete in an official FIRST event and have the opportunity to win a spot at CMP.

Ernst 03-12-2013 14:39

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FRC has another new country!

Rookie team 5311, the Space Cookies of Colombia, from Bogota, Colombia, registered for Silicon Valley.

Mark McLeod 04-12-2013 22:28

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Kazakhstan
Team 5328


18 countries heard from (not counting any of the Kit-only teams)

1-Colombia
1-England
1-Germany
1-Kazakhstan
1-Netherlands
1-Singapore
1-Taiwan
1-United Arab Emirates
2-Dominican Republic
3-Chile
9-Brazil
9-Turkey
11-Australia
13-China
39-Mexico
52-Israel
182-Canada
2459-USA

Akash Rastogi 05-12-2013 00:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1308732)
Kazakhstan
Team 5328

This is the single greatest achievement in FRC history.


Navid Shafa 05-12-2013 00:48

Re: Registration 2014
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1308732)
Kazakhstan
Team 5328


Alpha Beta 05-12-2013 15:26

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Now that registration is officially closed, how long until FIRST clears all of the waitlists? Are the teams the get in off the waitlist selected at the regional director level, or by FIRST HQ? Is there a standard algorithm on who gets in?

Teams not registered anywhere else > Rookie > Local Area Team > Teams trying for a 2nd event > Teams trying for a 3rd event?

Mark McLeod 05-12-2013 15:39

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It's a little unique to the individual events as to when the lists get cleared.
Many are cleared already.

If you have an event in mind I can give you what happened for registration last year.

I think the Regional Director, et. al. draw up a recommended list of teams to pull off the waitlist and submit it to FIRST HQ who has the final say and may revise the order based on criteria the RD may not be aware of.
Different RD's may have different priorities, but your suggested list, if not the absolute order, seems reasonable. I'd add regional diversity as another possible criteria.

Wetzel 05-12-2013 15:45

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Still waiting on Troy, it's our only hope for a second regional for three of my teams.

Mark McLeod 05-12-2013 15:58

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Several teams from Long Island were told they didn't have a prayer of getting off the waitlist for Troy, because it's the closest for so many teams sandwiched by the MAR/NE Districts, so a couple of them switched to Cleveland where the waitlist was short.
Other teams had to just bow out of a second event altogether this year.

So just because an event doesn't show available room, it may be worth it to talk to FIRST HQ about possible alternate events.
Although it probably means more driving time (~3 times more for LI to Cleveland, than for LI to Troy, but for DC it's 6 hrs to either event).

Mark McLeod 06-12-2013 10:07

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2794 teams, but it's oscillating up/down still. Expect that number to rise a bit and drop off even more over the next few weeks.
Here's the registration chart as of the close.


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