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Registered teams to date trophy count includes:

5 Regional Chairman's,
25 Regional Championships,
16 Regional Finalists

Championship Finalists - 2 Newton, 1 Galileo, 1 Curie, and 1 Archimedes
Championship Division Winners - 1 Galileo, and 1 Newton.

The inaugural CIR is shaping up to be a great looking, competitive event! :D

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Are those the stats from just 2013, or is that all awards from previous years?

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Previous years.

I expect the accolades of registered teams to escalate when we add in the teams coming to Central Illinois with their 2nd event registration on October 24th.

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All awards from previous years. However from the 2013 Season I'm seeing

2 - Double Wins (Chairman's and Regional Champ):
Team 525 (10000 Lakes), and
Team 1208 (St. Louis)

1 - Triple Champ:
Team 1986 (Hub City, Oklahoma and Kansas City)

1 - Double Champs:
Team 525 (10000 Lakes and Northern Lights)

1 - Newton Division Finalist:
Team 1986

2 - Regional Finalists

2 - Engineering Inspiration

For the first round of an inaugural event, this is exciting . . . More to come Oct 24! :D

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Rockford Robotics is excited to be competing. It will be fun going to a brand new event.

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A bunch of teams have been starting up in central Illinois over the past few years. Its nice to get a regional nearby.

Also the event is in an inflatable dome. Neat.

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I...was not expecting that. Interesting.

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Wait...whaaat! That certainly is...interesting...:yikes:. Is it heated/air conditioned? What is the floor space? And max ceiling height?

EDIT: Well, got most of my answers from their site: The Dome itself sits on a 33 acre complex that includes the 76,000 square foot “Dome” that is climate controlled.

Also, are their food options nearby? I found this from the site too:
On the event side, the Avanti’s Dome can handle weddings from small intimate affairs up to 2,000+ guests. This includes ceremonies, receptions, and catering not only inside the “Dome” itself but also our beautiful “Zeller Banquet Center” with our highly regarded catering that can feature Avanti’s Pasta or a personalized menu from pork loin, to vegetarian and even vegan options. The Avanti’s Dome & Zeller Banquet Center are also available for numerous types of banquets, meetings, expositions, car shows, trade shows, etc…

But other than that...?

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bah, ninja'd

Pekin is a decent sized town. There will be food.
Here's some nearby restaurants

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I hear the judges are going to be extra stringent on R09: Protrusions from the ROBOT and exposed surfaces on the ROBOT shall not pose hazards to the ARENA elements or people. ;)

Edit: Regarding actual questions about the event location. Our team is located approximately 6 miles from the venue. The choice is intriguing to say the least and I'll be interested in hearing more from the powers at be regarding the event!

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They have steak n shake so this is already off to a great start. JK, I think the depth of this tournament is going to be awesome way to kick off in central Illinois.

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There certainly looks to be some logistic issues with the place. I don't really see how they can hang anything like speakers or screens. It also doesn't look like they have permanent seating either (meaning some rather uncomfortable bleachers). Pack your seat cushions!

Also, the lack of a hard floor scares me.

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My dauaghter had a cheerleading competition a few years back in there. There is a air lock that a few people can fit into when leaveing or entering, you MUST have one of those doors closed at all times. If someone has both open everyone in the food court area gets a nice blast of air! It will also blow all the pictures off the wall!! (didn't do it, just was there when it happened) So yes, moving stuff in and out is going to be a pain. But there maybe some larger airlocks on the side of the place, that we can use. - from what I can remember.
ALSO, this place, since its air pressure that is keeping the dome up, it will affect your ears. chew gum.

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There is a much larger airlock on the other side of the building. However, you still have to go through the process of loading the airlock full of stuff, closing the outer door, waiting for the airlock to pressurize, and then opening the inner door into the dome. Should make for an interesting load-in. :eek:

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I wonder, depending on what the game is, whether the higher pressure inside the facility will affect robot performance. I suppose pneumatic systems work on gage pressure, rather than absolute, and should be ok. If the game object is lightweight, the increased air resistance could be significant. I'm sure someone has done studies on the effect!

-Nevermind- Just found a resource that says typical inflation pressure of domes is 1 inch of water, or about 0.037 psi. That still would be over 200 lbs across a 6' x 7' door, though!

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(emphasis mine)

You all know what this means ...

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We're hoping to be able to get in when the second event registration opens up. This regional will have 1) a bunch of great veteran teams that our team can learn a lot from during that first week and 2) is less than 3 hours away from St. Charles. A straight shot up 55 and we're there. Plus this gives us some nice preparation for the St. Louis regional occurring a few weeks later.

Found this video on the facility: http://youtu.be/2HPtrp1_qa0 They'll figure something out, kind of reminds me of the old huge tents that Epcot had.

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Agreed. I saw some photos on their site of a wedding there, and even then the field wasn't covered, though I guess it will have to be for the regional. But the fact that it will be a temporary hard surface on top of soft AstroTurf will be interesting...

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I've never seen a hardtop on the Dome's surface but I assume that option has to be available somehow. Unless the game is going to be a version of football/soccer/lacrosse played on a grass surface and they are going to add astroturf to all the other regionals

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All signs are pointing toward a football game

It all. Makes. Sense.

;-)

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I wouldn't worry about food/things to do in Pekin. It's a fairly large town. I'm super excited for another regional in Illinois!!!

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We had a great mentor meeting tonight and had a lot of questions asked and answered. Here's a few points that came up about the regional:

-The Avanti's Dome is very big inside
-There's a big airlock in addition to the revolving door that will hold many robots
-There's concessions for food
-Will need a hard floor for the field and probably pits
-Volunteers needed!

Nothing mindblowing. There were a few comparisons drawn with the nearby Boilermaker Regional. Also, there's talk of an Illinois + Indiana district in 2015.

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I signed up to volunteer tonight and will encourage others from Rockford Robotics to sign up also.

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As a member of a Milwaukee team: darn.
But hey, good for you.

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You'll have to pardon us stepping out of Central Illinois for the time being. Our home regional (Greater Kansas City) was running out of open slots and we are aware of several unaccounted for veterans and rookies which could push the event to wait list status long before October 24th rolls around. We have every intention of finding our way back into the Central Illinois event when 2nd event registrations open up (should spots remain available).

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And we're back in.

Had a feeling this would prove to be a popular location. It'll be great to meet up with some old friends and make some new ones. Many teams shy away from a week 1 regional, but with the addition of the Week 0 events last year we found the experience to be pretty smooth. This will be our second year in a row attending a brand new regional in week 1.

Fortunatly we saw the above quote a year ago and had the opportunity to work with FIRST HQ directly on the registration procedure. I see we were not the only ones in that situation. The regional has already moved 3 teams off the waitlist, presumably due to this complication.

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This should be a pretty sweet regional. With a smaller number of total teams including a bunch of really good teams, we should get to see some great qualification matches. Definitely looking forward to this event.

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We're on the wait list. Hopefully they open a few more spots and we can squeeze in, this regional would really be ideal for us to attend being that we're only 2.5 hours away and we would have a weekend to rest before the St. Louis regional.

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I was a bit worried the Avanti's Dome was destroyed by the tornado that went through Peoria/Pekin, but it looks like the dome's fine and they're now using it as a shelter for displaced families. Not sure how much, if at all, this will impact a week 1 regional.

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They let a team in from China today. Not sure what the plan is for clearing the wait list. Registration closes December 5th (although I've seen teams register later for an additional tournament when there is room.) You'd think wait lists would be cleared atleast by then.

It looks like an F2 on the edge of Pekin, but a couple F4's not too far away.
http://www.weather.com/news/tornado-...e-map-20131118
Our prayers are with everyone in the area.

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We are officially attending the inaugural Central Illinois Regional! There are a lot of recognizable numbers on the team list that should make for some great week 1 matches at this rookie event.

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Congrats! We look forward to seeing you there!

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Robot Casserole would like to present our unofficial Guide to the Central Illinois Regional.

Its loaded with information about the surrounding area and can hopefully answer some questions!

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Thanks for the guide. We're looking forward to visiting the area.

FYI, the regional planning committee sent out an e-mail today to all TIMS contacts about the regional. There were two attachements which can be found here.

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Hello and welcome Teams to the Central Illinois Regional.

A few tips about the Dome:

- Be sure to bring some warm clothes in case the weather outside gets cold to frigid. The temp in the Dome can get to 55 degrees or so when the temp outside is less than 10 or 15 degrees.

The average temps in Pekin at the end of February are: highs of lower 40's and lows of mid to upper 20's.

- The Dome's air pressure is hardly noticeable except as you go in and out of the rotating doors and airlocks. Consider it good practice for the 2095 Regionals on the Space Platform.

- See the Dome from the air... inside! My son Andrew Barth from Metamora's Team 4143 Mars Wars made this vid with his tricopter (with a real closeup of the turf at the beginning to answer a lot of questions on that subject) lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPUAbzKSVkQ . You can see that lights and sound will have to be self supporting as there are no trusses in the entire Dome, except for one about 5 feet tall and about 25 feet long in the middle.........

- There are plenty of restaurants within a few blocks of the Dome... just google map Avantis Dome in Pekin IL and go to street view for a walk around...just head south from the Dome.

- Also within a few blocks of the Dome is a huge Menards Home Improvement for many of your nuts and bolts needs.

- Check out the posters that were submitted for our contest... about 45 of them, on http://RobotPosterContest.org/posterpage and see who won at http://RobotPosterContest.org/winner

- Streaming of the event should be on ILFIRST.org we hear. Tune in and enjoy!

- We'll bring you the results of the Lamp Contest on Friday of the competition.

- I hear the Dome food kitchen on location there is concocting a new soft drink they are calling "Battery Acid" or something like that. Be sure to try it out. They also have unlimited pizza, "gondolas" and Italian cuisine at the kitchen and inside the dome proper, and also available from their restaurant down the block... of course it's called Avanti's.

- There's also a rumor that Regional tshirts might be available while supply lasts and when those run out, on an order basis. It will list all teams on the back and have the Aerial Assist logo on the front.

- All of us from the area within 20 - 30 miles of the Dome wholeheatedly welcome all the teams to this really exciting Regional! It will be quite the time here we are sure!

- I've also heard the mayor is going to present the "Joystick Controller To The City" at the Opening Ceremonies on Friday. The City of Pekin Council is very enthusiastic, and I can just about guarantee within a year or so Pekin High School will miraculously have a new Robotics team there!

Doede Barth
CIR Planning Committee

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Or you can stop by 1986's pit; we've had a free bolt shop for several years.

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Will there be a webcast for the Central Illinois Regional this year?

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Sounds like there will be streaming.

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Yep looks like I should read better :o . Here is the web link for anyone interested http://www.ilfirst.org/frc/events/ce...webstream.html

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I am wondering what they are doing about stands for all the crowd? Will it be metal bleachers or something else?

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yep, metal bleachers. I believe there should be seating for around 3000, but I'll try to get clarification on that.

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Great! That should be more than enough.

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Any electrical outlets accessible from the stands?

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I'm really looking forward to making the trip down for Friday and Saturday. Myself and another strategy mentor will be testing out our new 2 person scouting data collection system and we will glady share any data with anyone (especially those 18 teams going to Wisconsin or Midwest so they can open up a wildcard :cool: ). If all goes well, we'll try to post the data after Friday's matches.

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We used to have an inflatable dome, 60'X30' with an airlock door.
We didn't need chewing gum, we never noticed much of a pressure change in the doorway. If both doors of an airlock are open, however, the dome will attempt to deflate via the doorway, hence the gust of wind.
It is true however - you can't hang stuff from the ceiling. I suspect they have trusses, just like Aerial Assist's truss, for AV equipment. Seating will be on bleachers.

Pekin is a suburb of Peoria, so you'll have plenty of dining choices for dinner Friday night.

Fun tip: If you meet anyone who is from Pekin itself, ask them the old nickname of their high school sports teams. Hint: they are now the Pekin Dragons.

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Yeah...about that former nickname...there's a pretty obvious reason why it needed to be changed, so brace yourself for the answer. Lol

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Thanks, man. Hope you enjoy the trip to Pekin. Feel free to stop by our pit anytime. As always, we are looking forward to seeing you guys in Milwaukee. With any luck, we can have a rematch of last year's finals...only this time with an inverted outcome ;) lol. Best of luck to you guys this year!

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Honestly I'd rather have you guys on our alliance xD

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Lol. That works too. We are just so used to playing against you guys. I think we've only had one qualifier match on the same alliance over the past several years...and that was 3 years ago, if I remember right. We just always seem to be matched up opposite each other. Quirks of the sheduling gods, I guess. Lol.

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Looking forward to the regional tomorrow! Our robot and tools should already be there, most of the team will be making the trek down early tomorrow morning. Here's to hoping it's not too cold in the dome over the next few days.

Looking at one of the pictures I took there are 15 or so rows of seats. The bleachers (both sides) extend well beyond the end of the field on both ends. The seats are COLD; I suspect the people who are most comfortable will be the ones who bring something to sit upon.

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Here is a picture of the playing field taken from the top of the bleachers, when we left the Central Illinois Regional tonight after a long day of set up

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Thanks for all the hard work, Tim. Looking forward to an great rookie regional.

Remember, don't open both doors to an air lock everybody.

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Tim, Vera, and everyone else on the organizing crew - thank you for all the hard work you've done leading up to the regional.

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Looking good!
See you this weekend (a bunch of folks from Winnovation are coming down observe/volunteer)!

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Thanks for streaming on the practice day, gave me something to do haha

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The practice day live stream is really nice, YES!

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It's nice seeing full alliances for practice matches. That's impressive.

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Where are the pits located? How is that setup looking? Can't wait to see the matches.

-Nick

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Here is a little teaser of our robot during a practice match at Central Illinois today. It's the blue robot that starts in the top right of the screen

http://i.imgur.com/G6nrfPg.gif

Thanks to Ryan Guinn from 2338 Gear It Forward for making the gif. Good luck to everyone this weekend!

-Nick

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Attached are the stats from today's matches. A couple notes: these stats are to supplement our qualitative data from our Scouting Team, so it is not expected to be a complete picture of teams. We scouting every alliance for every match. I do not think there are any errors is compiling the data but I'm sure there are a couple mistakes in the raw data (especially in matches were there were multiple missed autonomous balls). We did not re-scout the two replay matches.


Attachment 16419

Not sure if FIRST regional or battlebots competition...

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Can anyone tell me what happened in the last match/Finals-3? Ustream went belly-up toward the end of the timeout and all I know is the score.

Alliance 1 won by 20. I think it was 112-92. 3 or 4 flipped bots in the last 2 matches.

Red won.

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From the stands it looked like one of the referees called intentional tipping on 4296, but it must have been reversed after the match.

Incredibley rough finals matches, I haven't seen so much defense since 2007.

I'd mirror Ryan's comments. The play in the elimination matches was the roughest I've ever seen allowed by a head referee in my 9 years of FIRST. Some calls were definitely not being made correctly. The whole event contact inside the frame perimeter wasn't being called even with several instances of obvious damage to our bot. CIR was otherwise a strong event with great teams. I'll be curious to see how things change as we move into district play.

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So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

IMO, it was rough. But if you were the one getting tipped, you may not see it that way.

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Depends on your definition of dirty. In our last elimination match, both of our lift cylinders were bent and one of the pneumatic fittings on our shooter was sheared off. None of these parts extend outside our frame perimeter, but no fouls were called. However, I don't think the bots that hit us were trying to damage us, it was just the way things at CIR were being played.

The lack of fouls for damaging opposing robots, coupled with the fact that the finals matches basically turned into a bot flipping contest, has left me worried about how the rest of the season is going to play out. I saw a number of fairly well built robots take pretty significant damage, and having your robot destroyed on the field is pretty disheartening for any team.

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For reference:
The cylinders below are inside our frame perimeter at all times. More than once, another robot's pickup mechanism entered our frame perimeter and bent these rods. The pictures are from the quarterfinals. We also received damage to our catapult, causing us to miss our next autonomous shot.


G28 was never called.

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Ouch. That looks pretty darn bad. That looks at least like grounds for the question box. Damaging a robot inside the frame perimeter is a technical, even if it was consequential.

From the blue box

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By the time we got off the field, the final match score had already been determined and shown on the big screen.

We immediately took the robot to the question box and showed the damage. The refs said that they did not see the damage happen so they couldn't call it.

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That to me is a poor response to easily visible damage to a robot. There were matches that scores were reversed on last year after they had been posted. It seems like a bad excuse to do nothing on.

I think that the teams in the Finals should be held to highest standards of penalties because they have already played 8-12 matches.

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For the most part those elims were very rough...I wouldn't say that they were 100% clean either.

There was a technical given in the final match for intentional tipping when 4143 was tipped over. This technical had no affect on the outcome of the match so it wasn't announced.

In general contact inside the frame perimeter was not being called because the damage was not obvious at the time the contact occurred. Given the other threads on CD discussing the refs being overwhelmed it is also likely the refs were watching the human players ensuring they remained safe and didn't cross the plane of the field. They were also often interacting with there referee panel to keep track of assists and scored balls so there eyes weren't on the robot the entire time.

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It was a tough loss. I would like to thank our alliance members 2481 and 4213 for not giving up and forcing a great 3rd match. Props to 2081, 2022, and 292 for the hard fought win. Congrats also to teams 525, 1986, and 4296 on the win and surviving the finals carnage.

I do want to thank everyone involved for putting on a great regional despite all the challenges and thank all the teams that participated. I was expecting some great competition coming into the regional, and wasn't disappointed. I hope to see CIR continue to grow in Central IL and look forward to competing against many of the same teams again the future. I hope all the teams that traveled enjoyed the regional as well and make it safely home.

Get ready Wisconsin!

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I am excited to compete with you guys at Wisconsin!

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I look forward to playing with you guys as well. I was really hoping you guys would go all the way, see you in Wisconsin.

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2022 drive team here. I just showed this to my fellow drive team members, and we're sincerely sorry about what we did to your robot. We had no idea that we had damaged it like that until now. Our pickup mechanism had broke mid-match and was stuck in an awkward position that caused it to hit your pistons like that while attempting to play defense on you. We really hope this doesn't impact our relationship between our two teams, because before this match I felt we had a really good relationship. 1736 and 2481 were two of our favorite teams to work with during qualification rounds and we hope we get to work with you again in the future. Also thank you to 2081 and 292 for giving me what was probably my best competition experience to date.

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Dont worry, easily fixed. We should have foresaw it and protected them better. I hope we didnt cause too much damage to other robots ourselves. We never really intended to play that much defense going into the regional, but after seeing how effective we were at it, we decided to keep doing it. Im sure others could post damage we caused too. It was cool seeing your team cheering for us, we'd definitely not hold a grudge. I thought they were some great matches, hope to see you back at CIR in the future, good luck at midwest!

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Apparently the refs discussed this after the match and decided not to call it because they didn't call it when 4296 was flipped twice and 1986 was flipped once. Definitely a very rough elimination round.

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Thanks to all the teams who participated in the inaugural Central Illinois Regional. We trust everyone made it home safely, are glad you came, and hope that you left with fond memories of the "coolest" regional and the snow globe.

To the students of 4143, i am very proud of what you have all accomplished already this year. Each of you has made a great contribution to the overall picture of what it means to be on a FIRST team. Well done, now let's take what we've learned even farther.

Thanks to all of our alliance partners, in particular our finals partners 2039/Rockford Robotics and 171/Cheese Curd Herd, we look forward to seeing you both in Wisconsin.

Congratulations to 525, 1986, and 4296 on your win and for a hard fought three matches in the finals.

Huge thanks to the Tim, Vera, and the organizing committee, all of the sponsors, and all the volunteers. I also want to give Big Al a shout for all the help to me as a rookie Robot Inspector.

It is on to Wisconsin for 4143. Although we do have a few minor (sarcasm) rebuilds to work out after the finals matches. And some design, scouting, and training improvements to incorporate lessons learned.

On the game itself:

• Matches will be hard fought. Build a tough robot. Everything from common sense to the reveal animation made that point, and the game play has borne that out.
  
• The refs have a huge workload and there is no reasonable expectation they could see everything in a game this hectic. Sometimes those breaks are going to hurt, sometimes they'll help. It won't seem fair. In plenty of cases it will not actually be fair. That's life, and not an unimportant lesson in and of itself.
  
• If you barely clear a high goal then there's a good chance the ball is coming back out. Use game strategy or plan for this in your shooting design to minimize the risk.
  
• It is very hard for the HPs to avoid reaching into the field and taking the big penalty. Train. Practice. Have discipline. Be alert if you are a HP and know how much you can help or hurt your alliance by how quickly and precisely you react.

I'll be spending more time using these observations to help the students learn how to respond than on lobbying FIRST for any particular change. No disparagement of anyone pursuing that course, I like sincere efforts to improve the game for everyone. Some of the changes being debated on line (and i'm sure in week 1 bus rides home) would improve the competition. I'm just not going to focus there myself and instead try to use the time to work on the things that are within our team's control. Whatever FIRST does we will deal with when (if) it happens.

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I very much disagree - how can the referees know if the damage existed before the match, or if it was accidentally caused by a robot on the same alliance? Both may be unlikely, but to overturn the results of any match, let alone a regional-deciding match, should require an extremely high standard of evidence.

While I sympathize with teams that have competed, I understand how some fouls can be missed when it seems to be a common situation that 5-6 robots are all piled in the same quadrant of the field, and the one referee there has to watch not only for any fouls, but to keep track of possessions and potential pins...

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I couldn't see the screen from where I was watching.
The twitter feed does show 50 blue foul points, so I believe this is true.

We did tip over pretty much right after autonomous ended, so while the scoring outcome was not affected, the gameplay certainly was.

For anyone interested, we went dead in F-2 due to our driver's gamepad going bad halfway through the match. The operator's gamepad was fine, which was why our pickups were functioning. That was a failure I never expected to see.

We switched driver's gamepads during the timeout and everything was fine for F-3. We just couldn't drive very well on our side.

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That may have been a G26-1. It occurs at about 1:58 into the match. 2039 reached into the red low goal while trying to get a blue ball from the corner. I am surprised they ruled it a technical, rather than just a foul.

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First of all, I would like to thank everyone for this amazing "rookie" CIR.

As the driver for 4296, I would really like to thank our team for construction of such a robust robot, able to handle the beatings of the field(If your robot cannot handle defense, believe me when I say, MAKE IT SO IT CAN) I feel a lot of the defense in this game is due to the 1 game piece, when a robot does not have a ball all it really can do is defend/set picks for team mates and as a result there are often 4 robots playing defense at a time.

This was our first time ever getting out of qualifications and moving onto eliminations and I have to say, it was a lot of fun. Interacting and working alongside 525 and 1986 was extremely enlightening, as a newer team still, we still have a massive amount to learn.

Thank you to the drivers for both 525 and 1986 for keeping everyone calmed through our first loss of eliminations and for all of us working together and adapting extremely quickly after the loss of one of our two able to shoot robots(525) resulting in the last two matches being conducted with one robot able to shoot.

I would also like to thank 4143, 2039, and 171 for the absolutely amazing (and brutal) finals matches, which resulted in an extremely close final deciding match that no one really had any clue of the outcome until it was displayed. These final matches were extremely well played by both alliances and it was a lot of fun to participate in them.

I look forward to seeing anyone who will also be at the Milwaukee regional.

In addition, I would like to apologize about any damage that we caused during the entire regional from defense, I know our robot took a lot of damage through out the weekend and has caused us to prepare to make a lot of fixes at our next regional, thankfully these robots are able to take a fair amount of a beating.

Overall, Thank you for the great regional. Thank you for the alliance selection to 525 and 1986, thank you for the amazing final match to 4143, 2039, and 171. And most of all, prepare your robots for a lot of defense in this game.

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Edit: This comment was incorrect and proven incorrect later on in the forum by information that I had not known of.

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Might want to double check who your alliance members were haha

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I am still tired from last night and the drive home, I have fixed that up haha.

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The blue alliance should have been red carded in the final finals match.

Intentionally tipping a robot falls well within the bounds of an automatic red card especially considering it had happened in the previous match with obvious consequences. Behavior like this on the part of a team or alliance is despicable and goes against the entire concept of this program. I've seen rough play before, but intentionally tipping over a robot goes above and beyond. I know, as many have already pointed out, that the outcome would not have been changed. This behavior needs to be publicly discouraged and the shame of losing a finals match in that way would have likely made it clear that it isn't okay.

That said, I'd like to thank our alliance partners 3138 and 3284. They are both excellent teams and we look forward to opportunities to work with them in the future. Our matches in quarters were hard fought and we could have won if we hadn't lost power in the second match. For that I am sorry. Our battery box broke and allowed enough movement for the connection to be broken during a hard hit from the opposing alliance.

The inspectors that we worked with, specifically the gentleman from 1986 who performed the bulk of our inspection was fantastic and exactly the type of inspector that we need more of. It is obvious that Al runs a tight ship and things went smoothly on Thursday

A huge congratulations for the number one seed winning alliance. The level of adversity that this alliance faced was unlike any I've ever seen. No alliance should have to put up with play like that being allowed against them and they still won. An excellent showing.

The problems all of the teams at the event faced were because of a few individuals. The rest of the volunteer staff was amazing. The queueing staff was excellent and friendly. A huge thank you to the volunteer staff in general. Events like this one can't happen without a great deal of support.

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Not quite. The manual says:


G27



Strategies aimed at the destruction or inhibition of ROBOTS via attachment, damage, tipping, or entanglement of ROBOTS are not allowed.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL and YELLOW CARD

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Yes, but there's also this

furthermore,

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I stand by my previous statement. I'd also venture my drivers (the student who posted in response) knows the rules as well as almost anyone. It was egregious and it happened multiple times.

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What I observed from the stands - in Finals match 3, the referee pointed at 4296 after 4143 was tipped while waiving the red alliance flag, then made an X symbol by crossing his arms. I have never been a referee before so I'm not sure what that call means, but maybe someone else could elaborate?

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Does anyone have video of any of the elimination matches? The stream was rather blurry and stopped streaming toward the end.

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I've also never been a ref, but I believe that's supposed to mean a technical foul on the team he was pointing at.

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This happened to 118 yesterday and the appropriate G27 violations were assessed.

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As a referee, you are correct in your assumption that the referee was signaling a technical foul. That hand signal has been used over the past 3 years.

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Typical sporting event. Refs let them play. The game gets a little more physical. Both sides feel like they are the one being wronged. Both try defend their actions and believe they can call out the other teams intentions.

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For those who missed the finals, here is a summary of the tipping:

F1: 1:29 171 tips 4296, no foul
F2: 1:35 171 tips 4296, no foul
F2: 2:19 171 tips 1986, no foul
F3: 0:20 4296 tips 4143, technical foul
F3: 1:00 171 tips 4296, no foul