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Also, remember that FTC has 4 fields, and in their current configuration, that requires a space approximately as large as 1 FRC division currently occupies. Most of that space could not be reduced, as the driver areas are just far enough apart for ref teams and robot carts to comfortable fit between them. If FTC returned to the square, not diamond, layout, the width would be about the same, although the depth requirements of FTC might decrease.
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I have three wild ideas that may be impossible.
First of all, i don't think we need 8 divisions. I can definitely see moving to 6 divisions, though. That seems most attractive to me. 1) FLL moves to the center of the floor with grandstands erected around that space. That gives FLL a more intimate playing environment and allows for more space. You could then take Patrick's picture and alter it a bit so that a couple of the filds are on the "short side" of the stadium. I don't like the option of moving FLL or FTC entirely into the convention center, so that seems pretty attractive. 2) Place an FTC field (and even an FLL table) for every FRC field. This eliminates the need for separate areas, and they just round-robin the playing. Run an FRC match, then FTC, then FLL, then repeat. (or combine this option with option 1 and just do FTC/FRC together, and FLL in their own separate area, either in the center of the dome floor or in a similar configuration to what we have now) 3) Move the championship to a location that has a basketball arena. I saw a proposal on CD (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=105379&page=1) to move the championship to the LA convention center and the Staples Center. FRC fields in the convention center. I know this seems unattractive, but it could work with the right setup (https://www.google.com/search?q=conv...s%3B718%3B312). I saw somewhere a picture of convention center grandstands with a "concourse" walkway going around the middle (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...26_160835.jpg). Given a space like LA that has a much larger convention center than St. Louis (more of the size of the Georgia World Congress Center, if I'm not mistaken, but in one building). FTC and FLL play in the basketball arena. Then Einstein moves in on Saturday, basically ensuring that everybody has a a good seat 360 degrees all the way around the field. We only use one side of the dome for closing ceremonies anyway, I imagine the seating capacity is similar to the # of people we have at championships. It seems like FIRST was considering option 3 with the site selection for 2015-17. Many of the facilities that won a bid did not have a football dome (Detroit, Louisville off the top of my head; others?). Again, this may not work at all, but it's a thought. I always prefer to start with the craziest, most impossible ideas, and slim them down from there. |
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If I understand correctly, all this would do is split up the existing FTC divisions into two separate areas. Am I correct? Also, how does having more FRC divisions affect this then, other than what matches are playing when? Regarding the Einstein concern, one of the sets of FTC fields could be used for divisional playoffs, just as the Franklin half of FTC is currently used for finals.
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Super regionals could be the top level. It would remove the need for a gigantic championship event, and most teams wouldn't have to travel a ridiculous distance to get to them. Certainly I'd miss the chance to compete with teams in other regions, BUT if everybody is eventually in a cross-compatible regional system, teams can sign up for competitions in other regions if desired. I pointed out in another thread that a configuration topping out with super regionals still leaves the door open for a really small Einstein type event that only invites super regional winners. No Georgia Dome + World Congress Center required for that event. And if that wasn't in the cards, there's still IRI. |
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Of course, that's just my little "fanfiction" of the future of FIRST, but I think the specific administrative things you mentioned are irrelevant towards the eventual addition of SuperRegionals/removal of Championship(which wasn't in the powerpoint laying out the potential SuperRegional structure) |
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I'm not sure I'm sold on the "FTC divisions with FRC divisions" concept, but it does seem like a cool way to combine the programs. The big problem becomes seating. FRC is already really crowded. While FTC doesn't take up as much space, any less space in some FRC fields means some people can't get seats at all. While I hate to suggest it, really... FTC's smaller field size, desire for close-up seating, and smaller crowd size make it a natural fit for pit fields. To make Dome prominence possible, perhaps 1-2 divisions could still be in the Dome. Or maybe more of the eliminations are shifted to Saturday and FTC runs on Einstein. Just spitballin' here. |
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Take a look at the attached PDF. Very rough, but you get the idea. I honestly think that all three of these options could work (in particular both option 1s, and option 3). In all three examples, I have 6 FRC divisions and 4 FTC divisions. This could work with any number of things, though. Including 2 FTC divisions as we have now. In fact, if we keep it at 2 FTC divisions, we could split FLL up among the FRC fields as well (or the remaining ones without an FTC partner). THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FLL TEAMS DO NOT CROSS THE STADIUM though. I'm not saying have FLL teams playing all over the stadium, but rather have some play on one side and some play on another (as with FRC now and FTC in my document). I do realize that this is not perfect. I realize that there are still some minute issues that would need to be addressed, that I have not yet come up with a solution. One example is the FTC finals. I like this: Quote:
Again, I know that there are lots of details that still would need to be addressed. But I think with some creativity and planning, SOMETHING LIKE this could work. I"m not saying I have all the answers. Just throwing out something that could be worked with and morphed into something awesome. |
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