Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

I'm not sure where either of you are getting your numbers from. Here shows 43 teams signed up in OR and here shows 111 teams in WA. That's 154 teams in the PNW.

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

This is a new rule that was posted as part of the district point system for 2014: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...80%93More-Info

Note that you can still compete, but the slots available for the district is reduced when a district team wins a slot at an outside regional.

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

I noticed your team missing and am glad to hear that you're just hidden :)

It's almost looking like Michigan might need 15 district events! Counting TORC Michigan is at 280 teams at the moment, so one team more would necessitate 15 district events. Of course that depends on how final numbers shake out and if any teams drop after the payment deadline.

Regarding proportional representation, Michigan currently has 280 of the 2634 teams in FRC, or 10.6% of all teams. Proportional repression would net Michigan about 43 spots from a 400 team world championship, but I'm pleased with the increase to 32 and the promise that it'll go to proportional next year. There's only so much FRC can change/fix at once.

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But the slots NE does have are guaranteed to be NE teams. A rough estimate (though maybe someone who has a better grasp of what actually constitutes New England... sorry, Midwesterner here), by my count at least six slots last year were taken from teams not in NE. So it might actually be a better deal to have the guaranteed spots.

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

I got my numbers from here for WA (134) and here for OR (55) for a total of 189. It appears you get different websites and results by going through the USFIRST website vs FRCLinks.

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I'm not sure where you got your numbers but we currently have 154 teams registered for the PNW district. For the 2013 season which was used to help determine the current year's number of teams that will advance we had 156. Total teams for 2013 were 2524. So we had about 6.2% of the total teams. 6.2% of 373 = 23 plus the 1 team bonus gives PNW the 24 slots. I'm certain the math of the other areas works out the same.

So this year about 16% of our teams will move on to CMP.

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

Operator error,
I went to here, http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...egional-events counted the number of districts, and multiplied by 40 and divided by 2. 40 teams in each district, each team plays two districts.

When I counted the districts, I did not scroll all the way down, and I had PNR as 4 districts, it is actually 9 listed.

So based on that, PNR = 24/180 = 13.3%

This is a rough estimate on the max total number of teams the district structure, with the regionals listed today could support, based on 40 teams per district.

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The USFIRST Website includes teams that weren't active the previous year (and maybe not active the previous two years, I didn't look that far into it) as well as rookie teams that have yet to register for an event (the eight digit teams). It tripped me up when I started looking at Michigan a few months ago. According the the USFIRST website Michigan has 321 teams, but we only have 279 actually registered for an event this year.

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I don't know where you are looking, but I am pretty sure 2851 Crevolution is in the same situation with two waitlists, so that may push it to 15?

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

Good! They were another team I was sad to see not registered. And there's also four more temporary eight digit team numbers that popped up today, so as many as 285 teams/15 district events if none drop out after the payment deadline.

I'll use 280 for estimates as it's a nice enough number...

64/280 teams will qualify for states - 22.9%
32/280 teams will qualify for worlds - 11.4%

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

It's nice to finally have this clarification.

So it seems that as of right now, the only question about CMP Qualifying left on the table will be how Wildcard Slots are being handled in 2014.

Also, the mention of going to a proportional representation system in 2015 and beyond is interesting..

Re: FRC Blogged - Standard District Points Ranking System – More Info
 

In 2013, a total of 28 teams went to CMP from New England. This includes people that qualified from NE, from other events, and as HOF or founding teams. I don't have the numbers, but this number was pretty consistent going back to about 2010... I think it varied between 27 and 30 teams (despite the fact that there were only 3 regionals in NE back in 2010).

While the number of District-qualifying teams from New England will be 24 next year, that doesn't include the 5 teams already qualified for CMP from New England (126, 151, 175, 190, 236)... So, New England will send 29 teams to CMP next year... right on line with our recent historical average.

Regardless of whether or not it would line up with our historical average or not, I'm glad that it's being determined by percentage of teams (although only approximately in 2014)... it's the fairest way to do it, I think.

As a side-note, a district team that qualifies for CMP by winning at a regional doesn't really take away a slot from their region... they just ensure that they're one of those teams. If 1519, 230, and 3467 all traveled to the Albany-area regional next year, and we all won, New England would still send 29 teams (24 + 5 pre-quals)... it would just guarantee that we would be 3 of those teams. I think this method is about as good as any to try to bridge the two systems... this'll all work much better when a district-like system exists for everyone!

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The more I've thought about it, the more I think people are using their own worries to throw gasoline on this fire. If a team wins a regional as a first or second team on the alliance, they are very, very likely to finish in the rankings just high enough to go to WCMP via their DCMP anyway. By the time it's all said and done, the team very well could have played upwards of 50+ matches by then and a probably also racked up a district win or at least a couple good finishes.

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As long as there are two systems functioning at the same time, there will be someone thinking they are getting the short end of the stick compared to someone else. It's human nature. Things won't be "even" until we are all in a district model. Then there will still be folks who think they are still holding the short end of the stick.

Can't satisfy everyone all the time.

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Spent a little time looking over the list, and I suspect there at least 6 or 7 more missing from the list, that are in the same boat. I know 2851 is planning on participating.

I suspect the following...
Teams that made it to MSC, missing from list...
2000, Team Rock, played worlds last year, played traverse city and gull lake. I suspect still playing, as these were full early in TIMS.
3421, Tachyon TECs - Team website calendar has no data this year, maybe out?

Active 4000's, that are missing...
4294 Star-trec, 3rd year,
4478 Materia Oscura, Played MARC offseason, I would think still in.

The way TIMS works, if you wait list for two events, you can't register and there is no payment due.