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Oblarg 12-11-2013 23:54
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Honestly, I'm not seeing the ground clearance issue with the belt; if that were a problem, you wouldn't have people running VexPro 72t gears direct-mounted to 4'' omni-wheels, which I have seen work with no problems. Besides, if anything contacts, it'll be the flange, and given the near-redundancy of a flange in this setup anyway it's not exactly clear that there are any real wear issues with that.

Also, while it's nice to keep the traction wheel in a butterfly drive small, 3'' isn't exactly "much too big" - I've seen teams run butterflies with two 4'' wheels which worked fine and weren't particularly heavy.

pfreivald 13-11-2013 08:15
Re: Colson Wheel and AndyMark HTD Pulley
 
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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1301610)
Assuming 5mm pitch (GT2 or HTD), that's a 28T pulley. 1.754" PD, 1.875"
Flange diameter (per sdp-si spec). Just posting this so people have a data point to compare to.

I'm really surprised by a 1-7/8" flange on a 2" wheel. That flange is DEFINITELY touching carpet from my experience, but since the traction portion of an octonum is so rarely used I can see that not being a big issue (especially if metal flanged pulleys are used).

For future reference, I bet the c-c is small enough that if there is a flange on the pinion pulley and the belt is reasonably tight no flange is required on the traction wheel pulley.



3" is MUCH too big for a butterfly ;)
Here's a picture of it. Hope it provides valuable information!

Oblarg 13-11-2013 11:03
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Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1301705)
Here's a picture of it. Hope it provides valuable information!
Out of curiosity, what cylinders were you using for that octanum?

pfreivald 13-11-2013 16:45
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Originally Posted by Oblarg (Post 1301740)
Out of curiosity, what cylinders were you using for that octanum?
A pair of 1.5" diameter, 6" stroke. Ummm...not sure if Parker or Bimba. We've got the setup down to ~50 lbs for the drive train including electronics and compressor, and absolutely as cheap as we can possibly make it. (Well under 50% the cost of our first go.)

Oblarg 13-11-2013 16:48
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Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1301803)
A pair of 1.5" diameter, 6" stroke. Ummm...not sure if Parker or Bimba. We've got the setup down to ~50 lbs for the drive train including electronics and compressor, and absolutely as cheap as we can possibly make it. (Well under 50% the cost of our first go.)
Ah, that's a much larger stroke than I was expecting; our current butterfly drive is designed for 1.5'' bore, 1.5'' stroke cylinders.

Aren_Hill 13-11-2013 16:51
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3928 this last year used 1.0625" Bore, 1" stroke pistons for our Butterfly Drive.

AdamHeard 13-11-2013 16:53
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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 1301807)
3928 this last year used 1.0625" Bore, 1" stroke pistons for our Butterfly Drive.
Just to one up Aren. We used the same bore, but 3/4" stroke.

We used 75% the air he did ;)

pfreivald 13-11-2013 17:31
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Originally Posted by Oblarg (Post 1301804)
Ah, that's a much larger stroke than I was expecting; our current butterfly drive is designed for 1.5'' bore, 1.5'' stroke cylinders.
We use one cylinder per side. We found that it was actually cheaper and lighter to do it that way, rather than have one cylinder per wheel pod. We don't shift between drive systems enough in any given game to give much of a thought to the extra battery drain.

BBray_T1296 14-11-2013 02:30
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For all you teams with butterfly drives, have you tried having the rear wheels in the opposite setting of the front wheels? Particularly to adjust your center of rotation for improved local maneuverability? does that even work?


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