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What high scores are team seeing out there?
What competitive advantages are teams seeing?

At the Montana qualifier there was a team score of 266.

Competitive advantage thoughts:
- A robot that can score autonomous block in IR crate after/before alliance partner
- A robot that can hang after alliance partner hangs
- A robot that can score at least 12 blocks

Baseline:
- All robots should lift flag
- All robots should hang
- All robots should score in autonomous

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Was that without penalties?

Penalty free I think we were in the 150s 2 weeks ago.

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Without penalties.

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We scored 284 at the Hartland competition. it was the semi-finals and no penalties.

http://youtu.be/vjeTfwOgofU

We are the red robot (Team 7031)

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289 done today at the Qualifiers.

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Austin Qualifier on 12/7 - the two high scores of the tournament both came in the same game in the semifinals: 317-288. No penalties for either team, so it was a rockin' match! Interestingly enough, to the point of the poster above, in a later finals match one of the alliances did pull off a double hang in endgame - saved them from elimination.

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The highest scores I've seen so far are from the Oxford PA qualifier we went to.

Q24 with 356 points and SF1-1 where our alliance scored 322

http://www.ftcpenn.org/ftc-events/20...esults-details

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Team 6433 and 4997 scored 396 yesterday at the Tampa, FL league championship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otiTvLs_nT8

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The highest score I have heard of was 420 points scored at a Pennsylvania qualifier two weeks ago. :D

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Do you know which event this was at? I don't remember anything that high from the 2 we went to.

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What was the alliances strategy? Double lift?

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We're not seeing any scores over 300 in VA but we're seeing close scores with both teams in the 200s.

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We were practicing at a competition before the matches started and we were able to get 212, and we were practicing by ourselves too!

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We had a match at the FL Championship where we scored 385, but it should've been 435. Our double hang cut slightly into the other alliances zone - although it didn't count as blocking their hang, one of our two robots was not credited with the hang leaving us with 385 instead of 435.

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I think a team made up with a strong defensive bot and a strong block scorer will do very well against a team with 2 block scoring bots.

We think a defensive bot can disrupt the opposing alliance from scoring enough that our alliance can leave block scoring period in the lead (all things being equal). Also a flexible defensive autonomous strategy can ensure that an alliance leaves auto mode ahead (maybe not with MAX points).

A sophisticated defensive strategy can be very disruptive. With the key feature of a defensive bot being high traction.

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With my 2010 season in mind. Defense wins world championships.

My team had the highest scoring percentage at the world championship in 2010 and we decided it was more to our advantage to score less points as an alliance to make sure the opposing alliance scored even less. This game more than others in recent FTC history relies on a very similar OPR calculation to 2010. I hope teams know this and will scout the data accordingly to employ the most effective offense and defensive strategies.

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On Sunday we were hitting well over 300 at a pre-State scrimmage here in MN.

As we move towards a point in the season where most good robots can complete all game tasks, defense is quickly becoming the deciding factor in matches.

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In Hudson Valley Championship, NY, the top score was 346.
Perfect autonomous (both robots in the alliance)=120 pts
Flag+hang in endgame=85 pts
Remaining 141 pts were for the blocks.

Here is the video:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...&stream_ref=10

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This year we are not seeing much defense. As bots get better at scoring each alliance is trying to outdo the other by scoring, not defense. Remember a defense robot scores zero block score. But the offensive robot being defended on one side can cross the ramp and pick up blocks or score on the other side. Another strategy is to push the defence robot on the pendulum/baskets. Although this is not a penalty it scares the defence robot away. At the Florida state championship we were the highest scoring robot (average score 324 in 10 matches and unbeaten in 10 matches) and we had defense played on us only once and in spite of this we scored more than 300 points in that match.

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Defense for us was a part of our strategy this year because we really didn't have the time to focus on blocks.(We do FTC and FRC) This past weekend was the Illinois state championship where we were in 2nd place with a Ranking Points over 850 31 RP behind first. Due to some other things (robot problems) we didn't win but defense did play a large role in making it to where we got. I recognize the fact that blocks are very important this year and had we made it to the super regional we were planning to add a block manipulator.

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By the way, here is a website that collects match statistics and high scores:
http://theyellowalliance.daviddellsperger.com/

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The highest score I saw was 540 at the Diamond State challenge in Dover, was quite the match, I think the most important part was the 50% bonus from the pendulum balance.
Our team was disappointed we didn't make it past the semi-finals, but it was impressive to see those teams duke it out in the last match.

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That score was riddled with penalties, we're looking at making a change in the way the high-scoring match is calculated to not include penalty points so that the scores are purely points scored. Since we have that data, we're looking to do that.

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How many points out of these 540 were penalties?

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We also had an Elimination match in Wisconsin where our alliance partner was playing defense, but didn't realize that intentionally contacting the opponents pendulum resulted in a Major (50 point) penalty. They must have hit it 10 times. The official score didn't reflect penalties since we lost before penalties were applied. If they had applied them, the new record high score would have been at least 705! Kind of makes that particular stat irrelevant.

Ideally it would be nice to see stats for Qualification matches separated from Elimination matches. Things like Average Score, High Score, Win / Loss records.

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310 of those points were penalties. We're currently working on a new version where we will be using non-penalty scores to determine the highest scoring match along with having a view of each individual match where you'll be able to see the points scored and total points, where you'll be able to determine how many of those points were caused by a penalty. Unfortunately, the data we're getting (from the scoring software) does not have game-specific scoring information, but we're hoping to get that added in.

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That really shouldn't matter as the penalties should always be entered by the scorekeeper.

We ARE working on separating Qualification from Elimination as far as records go, high score already kind of has that because the rankings use the qualifying matches. We're looking into some other stats, I suggest if you have any major suggestions that you send them to feedback@ftcscouting.daviddellsperger.com That e-mails the dev team.

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The last match in the finals at the Missouri State Competition with us (Team 5035) and The Bombers (Team 4211) had a 390 score with no penalties! We had a double-hang, filled the outer baskets to the brim, and I think we raised the flag to the top level too!

Is the highest score without penalties 396?

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Here is our 390 point match in the finals with team 5035:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fy7NhFRMUM

Our next competition will be at the North Super Regional at the beginning of April.

Can't wait to see all the teams there.

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Aw hey 4211! That was pretty sweet!

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We did 359 at the NJ Championship last weekend, without penalties and without a double hang. We think we can easily hit 400 if we get a double hang. We didn't need it last weekend.

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Based on what I have seen from the yellowalliance site and from our own Ohio state championship, teams will need to be scoring in the mid 300's to do well at the super regionals. Never estimate in a double to your score because of the difficulty and all of the rules surrounding them. I have seen robots specifically designed to lift another robot and they ended up nailing it once out of our 5 matches.