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JosephC 12-12-2013 22:44

BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Which team are you cheering the most for? Being from Michigan I'd have to go with TeamCopioli.

For those of you that don't know what BuildBlitz is: BuildBlitz

Whippet 12-12-2013 22:46

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Being from Texas, and a fan of 148 since my rookie year, I'm on team JVN. May the best 'bot win. :)

geomapguy 12-12-2013 22:47

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
How about Team Dan & Andrew! ha

But honestly, being very close to Texas, I'll be pulling for JVN

Abhishek R 12-12-2013 22:52

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Still not exactly sure what BuildBlitz is after checking out the link, but definitely gonna have to go for JVN being from Texas.

EDIT: Never mind, I guess it's a Ri3D deal except...pro?

JosephC 12-12-2013 22:55

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1311546)
Still not exactly sure what BuildBlitz is after checking out the link, but definitely gonna have to go for JVN being from Texas.

EDIT: Never mind, I guess it's a Ri3D deal except...pro?

From my understanding its a friendly competition between Team JVN and Team Copioli to see who can build the best robot in 72 hours.

AllenGregoryIV 13-12-2013 00:41

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I am waiting for the draft, both Paul and JVN are awesome. It's like Manning vs. Brady it comes down to who is on each of their teams.

Ernst 13-12-2013 00:47

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1311580)
I am waiting for the draft, both Paul and JVN are awesome. It's like Manning vs. Brady it comes down to who is on each of their teams.

Will there be a Fantasy First draft as well?

;)

JosephC 13-12-2013 01:05

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZehP (Post 1311582)
Will there be a Fantasy First draft as well?

;)

*cough* Fantasy FIRST *cough

AdamHeard 13-12-2013 01:07

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
6 Einstein appearances, going with Copioli right now.

I reserve the right to change my opinion after the draft, especially if Raul is draftable.

DampRobot 13-12-2013 01:54

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Copioli + RC = Mega Awesomeness. Team Copioli.

BBray_T1296 13-12-2013 02:44

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
JVN all the way. (I could ride my bike to IFI:P)

To answer a question, yes, it is like Ri3D from the pros. Now we will all have 3 robots to gain inspiration from this year just a half week into the build season.

Richard Wallace 13-12-2013 05:04

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Does one of the the teams get to draft Karthik? I think he should be a neutral observer.

nicholsjj 13-12-2013 05:09

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1311628)
Does one the the teams get to draft Karthik? I think he should be a neutral observer.

He said he was going to be apart of it during the VEXPro release, but throwing him on either team might just be too much for the building to handle kind of like Einstein in 2008 when 148,217, and 1114 teamed up IFI dominated. I think I will go with whichever team he gets drafted on. Also I wonder what the odds will be that they will make Karthik the intentional last pick. ;)

Michael Hill 13-12-2013 06:01

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Can a poll be added?

#TeamJVN

Phyrxes 13-12-2013 07:18

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Is this where we start speculating who is the number one pick?

BigJ 13-12-2013 08:55

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
My choice depends on the draftability/team of Raul and Aren :p

Kyler Hagler 13-12-2013 11:27

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
From personally knowing Paul, I'm going to have to go with his team. I'm expecting to see great robots from both of these teams. I'm excited to see what they create!

Richard Wallace 13-12-2013 11:37

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nicholsjj (Post 1311629)
...make Karthik the intentional last pick. ;)

That would add to the drama for sure. The winning team will be the one that gets Karthik.

Foster 13-12-2013 12:38

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1311678)
My choice depends on the draftability/team of Raul and Aren

They would be some of the top picks, but there is a lot of depth in the IFI shop. Even split into two teams there is a lot of talent. I'm excited, I think we will see two vastly different but very competitive robots.

JVN 13-12-2013 14:37

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
It's interesting to see the posts speculating on pick strategy, seeing as I'm one of the people who will be forced to pick. :)

A few things to note:
There were a number of Build Blitz candidates who were listed as ineligible (mostly due to work conflicts that time of year or uncertainty about their availability). Notably, the great Raul Olivera will not be bringing his legendary skills into the Blitz.

In addition Karthik & Grant Cox will be serving as Build Blitz Sideline Reporters -- they'll each be embedded with one of the two teams, but will not be part of the primary draft.

The strategy going into this sort of draft is interesting. There are a few considerations which are important to me, which many people may not think about.

1. I want to fill TeamJVN with people I've worked with before and ideally who have worked together before; in my opinion, this will improve efficiency.

2. I want to make sure we have a team with a wide-range of skills. I know I personally am not the world's best prototyper or builder (my skills are more related to CAD design). You can bet I want to make sure TeamJVN gets some great prototyping talent early in the draft.

My first pick is not who you'd expect. ;)

I can't begin to express how excited we are.

-John

Andrew Schreiber 13-12-2013 14:47

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1311789)
In addition Karthik & Grant Cox will be serving as Build Blitz Sideline Reporters -- they'll each be embedded with one of the two teams, but will not be part of the primary draft.
-John

This was to keep Karthik away from power tools wasn't it?

JohnSchneider 13-12-2013 14:59

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1311789)
1. I want to fill TeamJVN with people I've worked with before and ideally who have worked together before; in my opinion, this will improve efficiency.

Interesting approach. I figured your first thought would be to pick people who fill your weaknesses even if you havent worked with them before.

AllenGregoryIV 13-12-2013 15:07

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1311789)
A few things to note:
There were a number of Build Blitz candidates who were listed as ineligible (mostly due to work conflicts that time of year or uncertainty about their availability). Notably, the great Raul Olivera will not be bringing his legendary skills into the Blitz.

Can we get a full roster? Fantasy Build Blitz drafts will be much simpler.

JVN 13-12-2013 15:13

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn (Post 1311795)
Interesting approach. I figured your first thought would be to pick people who fill your weaknesses even if you havent worked with them before.

If you read my post, that's basically what my #2 criteria is. :)

JohnSchneider 13-12-2013 15:18

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1311800)
If you read my post, that's basically what my #2 criteria is. :)

Well gosh, so it is. You just want it all then dont cha ;)

JosephC 13-12-2013 16:32

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hill (Post 1311632)
Can a poll be added?

Your wish is my command.

Akash Rastogi 13-12-2013 16:36

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
#TeamTonthat

Grant Cox 13-12-2013 16:41

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
The list is in - check out the post on the Build Blitz Facebook page to find out who's available. We're planning to have the official draft posted next week.

#TeamBallShiftSohard

tim-tim 13-12-2013 17:19

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I will be pulling for whichever team picks me.

On a serious note, I have a lot of respect for both team leaders. I first met Paul Copioli in 2006: our pits butted up to each other. I learned so much during that competition. I had the opportunity to talk to him quite extensively in 2012 at Chesapeake. I first met JVN in 2010. We had a good conversation and continued to follow his blog through the 2011 build season. He provided a lot of insight and small details.

Since I can only choose one, I will select Team JVN. I really like his creativeness and his approach to design.

S/N: I don't think there is a wrong answer.

Foster 13-12-2013 17:21

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Today, 03:24 PM
Aren_Hill
This message has been deleted by Aren_Hill. Reason: John told me to
Oooh inside intrigue in the BuildBlitz? Aren spilling secrets? He's a key developer of some of the new products... Is it a draft or is there a robotics-sports agent involved in the contract negotiation? Raul is off the roster, but what about Art? And where is Ricky? And Sean, he's a robot maniac!

This is so much better than the "2014 finally the year for the water game, or maybe an ICE game since Texas froze over last week" threads.

Michael Blake 13-12-2013 17:57

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
***DREAM TEAM***

(NO disrespect to _anyone_ not listed, I wish I had 1/10th your skills and abilities):

- John V-Neun - VP of Engineering for VEX Robotics (FRC20, FRC229, FRC148)

- Art Dutra IV - VEX Robotics Engineer (FRC228, FRC148)

- Aren Hill - VEX Robotics Engineer (FRC1625, FRC3928, FRC148)

- Connor Mulkey - VEX Robotics Intern, Student at University of Texas (FRC148)

- James Tonthat - RackSolutions Engineer (FRC1477)

- Charles Wensel - VEX Robotics Intern, Student at Texas Tech (FRC148)

- Alex Zettler - VEX Robotics Intern, Student at Michigan State University (FRC148)

cmrnpizzo14 13-12-2013 21:45

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Plot twist, JVN selects Paul with the first pick of the draft. Karthik is the new captain of the 2nd team and we have a US vs. CAN faceoff!

(I know, I know. Faceoff --> Hockey game, Canada gets excited)

Akash Rastogi 13-12-2013 21:50

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
The real question here is: Can Aren Hill build a functional swerve drive in 3 days?

mlantry 13-12-2013 22:00

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I'm gonna go with team RI3D

I know they have nothing to do with build blitz but I'll be rooting for them

BigJ 13-12-2013 22:09

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1311980)
The real question here is: Can Aren Hill build a functional swerve drive in 3 days?

this also entered 1675's Build Blitz discussion

DampRobot 13-12-2013 22:18

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1311980)
The real question here is: Can Aren Hill build a functional swerve drive in 3 days?

Sure thing, except it'll be an occtanum swerve, and be half an inch high because it's build on the inside of a CIM.

Hallry 13-12-2013 23:38

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Looks like Teams JVN and Copioli just got some company... http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=123124 ;)

Mark Sheridan 13-12-2013 23:54

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1312019)
Looks like Teams JVN and Copioli just got some company... http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=123124 ;)

OMG

what!

JVN vs Copioli and Andy Baker/Mark Coors vs. Dr. Joe vs. RI3D!

So many all-stars. Can we bring Bill Beatty out of retirement?

cadandcookies 13-12-2013 23:56

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1312019)
Looks like Teams JVN and Copioli just got some company... http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=123124 ;)

Could we have like a Build Blitz v. Ri3D competition? All we need is a third robot to come from somewhere...

Watching some actual matches week one would be quite cool...

Clinton Bolinger 14-12-2013 00:45

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
#TeamBeatty all the way!

Andrew Lawrence 14-12-2013 00:55

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1311980)
The real question here is: Can Aren Hill build a functional swerve drive in 3 days?

The question isn't CAN he, it's HOW MANY iterations has he already started working on?

IanW 14-12-2013 03:05

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1312065)
The question isn't CAN he, it's HOW MANY iterations has he already started working on?

I'm still not sure how Vex got a product launch out the door without a swerve module while having Aren Hill on staff. Maybe he's had a paradigm shift, but old habits do die hard...

JesseK 14-12-2013 09:58

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
This will be great.

Not only will FRC get better and louder because of 72-hour competitiveness, but all teams involved in the 72-hour build-fest will be better off for it since they'll already have a secondary robot to play with/against as the main robot(s) are built. Einstein will be fantastic, and IRI will be insanity.

+1 for Copioli because I've read & seen how his team is run. He can lead a team to victory regardless of its makeup.

Alpha Beta 14-12-2013 10:22

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Sheridan (Post 1312032)
OMG

what!

JVN vs Copioli and Andy Baker/Mark Coors vs. Dr. Joe vs. RI3D!

So many all-stars. Can we bring Bill Beatty out of retirement?

RI3D did not use an FRC legal control system last year. Do any of this year's rapid prototyping teams intend to use a cRIO?

Last year RI3D went after the "Low Hanging Fruit" and provided a baseline for teams to reach for. It should be noted that they were racing the clock, not being pushed by other 3 day teams at the time in a compeition-like setting. Here are some major things they didn't do, that some teams with the full 6 weeks managed to accomplish.
  • Full court shooting
  • Floor pick-up
  • Climbing to level 2 and/or 3
  • Colored disks into the pyramid goal
  • Compact designs able to drive under the pyramid
  • Camera aided targeting
  • Autonomous routines
If this years slate of rapid prototypers had been competing last year do you think we would have seen any additional robot features, or would we have simply seen a wider variety of slot loading wheeled shooters with 10 point hangs? It seems like some of this year's 3 day teams have more resources at their disposal.

Ernst 14-12-2013 10:49

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 1312125)
This will be great.

Not only will FRC get better and louder because of 72-hour competitiveness, but all teams involved in the 72-hour build-fest will be better off for it since they'll already have a secondary robot to play with/against as the main robot(s) are built. Einstein will be fantastic, and IRI will be insanity.

+1 for Copioli because I've read & seen how his team is run. He can lead a team to victory regardless of its makeup.

Emphasis mine.

Einstein and IRI will both be great, but I'm not sure how much the 3 day teams will affect them. They could add more depth to Einstein by raising the bar for 2nd picks, but I can't really see them changing IRI very much. These resources will be very useful for all teams, but I think they're more targeted to lower level teams that normally do not have the resources, time, or organization to try many prototypes. The top-tier teams that compete on Einstein and at IRI will build extremely competitive robots regardless of whether videos of prototype designs pop up.

I see these 3 day teams serving more to add depth to competitions and raise the average level of play by making prototyping and the general design process more accessible, not by increasing the quality of the top-tier.

Also, I'm going either Team Copioli or Team AndyMark. Gotta root for the Midwest teams!

Grant Cox 17-12-2013 14:11

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
The draft video is up! Video is available on YouTube and the Build Blitz Facebook page.

#TeamJVN's first round pick: Charles Wensel. #TeamCopioli's first round pick: James Tonthat.

I'll try not to be too upset about Paul not picking me...

Akash Rastogi 17-12-2013 14:16

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
After seeing the draft, I'm going to go with #TeamCopioli

Really excited to see this unfold!

BrendanB 17-12-2013 14:25

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
#TeamCopioli

AdamHeard 17-12-2013 14:49

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Very even teams now.

Karthik 17-12-2013 15:06

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Cox (Post 1313761)
I'll try not to be too upset about Paul not picking me...

There's really no reason to be upset. His other option was too good to refuse. ;)

waialua359 17-12-2013 15:11

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Given the poll results so far, its not surprising that its about even.
Both sides have great draft picks.

Laaba 80 17-12-2013 15:19

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I was hoping to see Karthik do his best David Stern and host the draft.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with, this should be awesome.

XaulZan11 17-12-2013 15:28

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laaba 80 (Post 1313797)
I was hoping to see Karthik do his best David Stern and host the draft.

On the other hand, they could have been like the NFL's Pro Bowl draft and stretch out the selection to a 3 hour 'must see' tv event.

Foster 17-12-2013 15:45

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Paul picked up two VexIQ designers. While they are all pro FRC, with IQ it's been think outside the box, outside the box will take this event.

Then at the end, Paul says "Well good luck, well not really..." Classic!

Pulling on my Paul C shirt as we speak! Go team Copioli!!!

Richard Wallace 17-12-2013 21:48

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Sorry, John. Gotta go with Paul's crew. He got Karthik.

It's not about knowing how to design a robot, it's about knowing which robot to design.

Steven Donow 17-12-2013 21:53

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I notice a lot of people jumping to support #TeamCopioli based off the draft. While at first glace, I agree and think JVN's team appears weaker, BUT, people are missing what JVN defined as one of his key drafting strategies:

Quote:

1. I want to fill TeamJVN with people I've worked with before and ideally who have worked together before; in my opinion, this will improve efficiency.
JVN has worked with all of his team on FIRST teams before (except for Aren and Bryan Culver, if I'm not mistaken). That makes his team incredibly strong, in practice.

JVN 17-12-2013 22:19

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1313997)
Sorry, John. Gotta go with Paul's crew. He got Karthik.

It's not about knowing how to design a robot, it's about knowing which robot to design.

You're right Richard -- no one on our team knows anything about strategy or choosing a design path. We tremble at the mere mention of the mighty Canadian. :) Maybe we should forfeit?

Ian Curtis 17-12-2013 23:48

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I think it's great that John has a shop guy on his team. It is not uncommon to see engineers undervalue the shop guys that deal with their stupid decisions everyday, and having Carlos as part of the team definitely sends the right message to all the young impressionable future engineers watching.

Akash Rastogi 18-12-2013 00:10

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis (Post 1314029)
I think it's great that John has a shop guy on his team. It is not uncommon to see engineers undervalue the shop guys that deal with their stupid decisions everyday, and having Carlos as part of the team definitely sends the right message to all the young impressionable future engineers watching.

Not to send the thread on a tangent, one thing I learned from my internships at manufacturing sites is that a lot of the shop guys catch mistakes or issues that some of the other interns or even engineers can't. Not a lot of things can beat experience. :)

Navid Shafa 18-12-2013 03:21

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Still don't have a 148 shirt, but I'd be repping my green right now either way.

Big P and the Small Thunder Crew :P


Richard Wallace 18-12-2013 05:40

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1314008)
... Maybe we should forfeit?

Just keep iterating. It has worked before.:)

m1506m 19-12-2013 15:37

Since I have a couple fellow mentors from 1506, Knerr & Weihman, I'm rooting for team Copioli

mickeyds0071 21-12-2013 01:06

Re: BuildBlitz, which team are you on?
 
I am Team JVN it would be cool if teams could buy the robots the build in like a kit to practice with. Or like have the teams sign them and put them in the IRI silent auction this year


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