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wilhitern1 21-12-2013 06:55

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Or

http://www.morethantoys.com.au/shop/...25-degree.html
[It's model number appears to be 57-C8234]

Could bring us back to racing.

TK3950 21-12-2013 07:15

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Originally Posted by inkling16 (Post 1315571)
I tend not to trust code that:
1. works on the first try
2. works for the first time at 3:30 AM

I like your approach. I would tend to not trust it either.

Anyway, I'm really not getting much out of those Morse Code "translations."

MooreteP 21-12-2013 08:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily286 (Post 1315579)
Maybe the numbers are from the periodic table and we will have to form molecules with balls that represent atoms, and the numbers are the atomic numbers of different atoms...

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1315580)
it's attached
another thing, I found a US post office in front of the "FIRST Security sign"

The time zone shift.
Our friends in Israel, the most important FIRST outpost on the planet, are cogitating the clue.

Emily has provided one of the more interesting interpretations, though I don't think that game would be "fan-friendly".

I think the KOP change to easily accommodate different attachments means that a modular robot that can perform unique functions, depending on the abilities of the alliance partners, may be in order this year.
This, along with the three people (okay, Dean is somewhat robotic at times :) ) in the picture, suggests a triad that can work together points to 3v3v3.

It's hard enough to explain the game to the casual observer with 6 robots. 9 robots?!
Well at least we may get the increased number of matches in a Regional or District that we have asked for, but the coordination of the matches will be tough. If this is the case, I predict 3:00 matches, with more time between matches.
Ohhh, the batteries! Ohhh, the scouting.

A scoring robot, a defense robot, and a third for a unique endgame.

Hockeyball? Basekey?
Umpires, referees, replay booths? I hope not.

I need to wrap presents.

Happy Solstice. The only holiday created by "God". http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...er/?tid=pm_pop
12:11 on 12/21 (almost a palindrome)
Waning gibbous.
Lunacy

I need to wrap presents.

rwkling1 21-12-2013 08:36

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I think one thing that we're forgetting is the fact that FIRST is changing the KOP drive base. This may play a factor in what the game is.

Mubtasim 21-12-2013 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1315577)
I searched the numbers in google earth with my brother.
The second numer refers to a sign "FIRST Security"
The third number refers to the "FIRST Baptist church"
The first number is very intresting, there is a strange sign that I couldn't read it all: "Weight limit reduced 25%"

It means that the robot weight limit is going to be 90 pound.

To me this seems like the best interpretation so far. What do you think the church and security might mean? And how exactly did you enter the numbers?

MooreteP 21-12-2013 09:18

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Baptist -> Baptism -> Water
Sorry
Gotta go wrap presents.

Connerd 21-12-2013 09:46

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Looking at the previous posts, baseball does seem very possible. Just a question though, did any FRC game have an element that involved two robots from opposite teams doing something correctly (i.e. FRC tennis)?

Hallry 21-12-2013 09:54

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Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1315597)
3v3v3.

Not to offend anyone, but for all the people who are suggesting 3v3v3 or something of the sort: Have you ever been to a DISTRICT event? Space is already extremely limited as it is. It would be impossible to have 3v3v3, unless they drastically reduce the size of the playing field. Even queing areas would be a nightmare. I don't foresee 3v3v3 or anything similar coming for a very very long time. And if that change ever does come, half (probably more) of the high school gyms that are currently utilized for districts wouldn't be big enough to use anymore (Let alone offseason events...)

pfreivald 21-12-2013 09:57

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1315615)
Not to offend anyone, but for all the people who are suggesting 3v3v3 or something of the sort: Have you ever been to a DISTRICT event? Space is already extremely limited as it is. It would be impossible to have 3v3v3, unless they drastically reduce the size of the playing field. Even queing areas would be a nightmare. I don't foresee 3v3v3 or anything similar coming for a very very long time. And if that change ever does come, half (probably more) of the high school gyms that are currently utilized for districts wouldn't be big enough to use anymore (Let alone offseason events...)

As a person with a reasonable amount of experience at game design, I'm confident they won't go with three teams--it's almost impossible to make a fair game under those circumstances.

nickmcski 21-12-2013 10:24

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Has anyone considered that the numbers could be a reference to a topic/post number on a forum? I looked on the first forum and found some things, as well as some dead ends.

rylerman1 21-12-2013 10:40

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Do you think that maybe it will take a string of plugging the numbers into the calculator? Or would that work? Take your answer and go through the process again. Maybe it will make sense after that.

rylerman1 21-12-2013 10:44

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1315615)
Not to offend anyone, but for all the people who are suggesting 3v3v3 or something of the sort: Have you ever been to a DISTRICT event? Space is already extremely limited as it is. It would be impossible to have 3v3v3, unless they drastically reduce the size of the playing field. Even queing areas would be a nightmare. I don't foresee 3v3v3 or anything similar coming for a very very long time. And if that change ever does come, half (probably more) of the high school gyms that are currently utilized for districts wouldn't be big enough to use anymore (Let alone offseason events...)

I agree maybe not 3v3v3, but would 2v2v2 work? It's the same amount of robots, it just reduces the alliance size. It might work, then they could also reduce field size. But I agree it probably won't come around either way for a long time.

Hallry 21-12-2013 10:50

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Originally Posted by rylerman1 (Post 1315624)
I agree maybe not 3v3v3, but would 2v2v2 work? It's the same amount of robots, it just reduces the alliance size. It might work, then they could also reduce field size. But I agree it probably won't come around either way for a long time.

I don't see why they would do that. It would be the same number of teams per match, and as Patrick Freivald said above, a game with three different teams is almost never fair. It would still make things crazy.

As for alliance stations - would one alliance have their teams on what side of the field, the second alliance have their teams on the other side of the field, and the third alliance have their teams split between the two sides of the field?

Oblarg 21-12-2013 10:54

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If there's actually a 90lb weight limit, I'm going to be very frustrated. The weight limit is tough as it is; I can only recall one robot I've worked on in the entirety of my time in FIRST that weighed under 90lbs.

yarden.saa 21-12-2013 11:00

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Originally Posted by Mubtasim (Post 1315608)
To me this seems like the best interpretation so far. What do you think the church and security might mean? And how exactly did you enter the numbers?

I think FIRST is just messing us around with the church. the security probably connected to the US post office that is in front.
It was really really easy to find it on google earth, I just entered the pairs of numbers (i.e 8234/57) and took the first option

theCADguy 21-12-2013 11:28

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If there is going to be a 90 lbs weight limit, we may be required to build robots that have a smaller frame perimeter.

Jonathan Lister 21-12-2013 11:30

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I like the weight interpretation. It seems like the most reasonable (least random) one to me.
As for the photo, I found a couple of things that I'm not sure if anyone has addressed yet (I was asleep last night, and I did not bother to check every single reply made while I was out). I'm especially curious about the thing in the background because I don't know what it is.

ivers123 21-12-2013 11:39

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Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1315113)
On Febuary 26th, 1963, the 57th day of 1963, it seems their is a space related event that occured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963

Maybe the debris is hinting at debris on the game field or structures that can be moved but have no other purpose than to get in the way of the robots. It would certainly be an interesting game if much of the strategy depended on maintaining control of the debris and using it to block the opposing robots from scoring.

theCADguy 21-12-2013 11:46

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Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1315113)
On Febuary 26th, 1963, the 57th day of 1963, it seems their is a space related event that occured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963

The spacecraft was headed towards Mars...
The game may have something to do with Mars or space exploration in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2MV-4_No.1

Joseph1825 21-12-2013 11:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1315577)
I searched the numbers in google earth with my brother.
The second numer refers to a sign "FIRST Security"
The third number refers to the "FIRST Baptist church"
The first number is very intresting, there is a strange sign that I couldn't read it all: "Weight limit reduced 25%"

It means that the robot weight limit is going to be 90 pound.

Something you have to remember is the reversibility of the hints. Basiclly, if FIRST had been trying to point us to that sign they would have no way to find what search terms would point to that sign.

Flimsor 21-12-2013 11:54

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Lister (Post 1315633)
I like the weight interpretation. It seems like the most reasonable (least random) one to me.
As for the photo, I found a couple of things that I'm not sure if anyone has addressed yet (I was asleep last night, and I did not bother to check every single reply made while I was out). I'm especially curious about the thing in the background because I don't know what it is.

It seems that the things on the floor are two phones on a piece of paper. Not sure if that's some sort of metaphor. As for the thing in the background, I'm not sure.

Orion.DeYoe 21-12-2013 11:54

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So I had a thought that the slashes might not mean division, but instead that they're alternatives. I noticed that there are THREE sets of numbers separated by commas. Which means that if these were points then they would be points in 3d space (not 2D like the triangles that have been floating around on this thread). So I found a tool to plot points in 3d space (http://hotmath.com/learning_activiti.../3dplotter.swf) and assumed that the slashes meant that the coordinate could be either number. That process would give us 8 possible points in a box pattern.
I can't figure out how to insert it into my post so I included the screenshot as an attachment.
(NOTE: I plotted the points at 1:1000 scale to make them fit on the graph better, according to geometry this will not affect the shape at all.)

Pratik Kunapuli 21-12-2013 11:58

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I highly doubt FIRST is going to use a large number of small game pieces (baseballs, wiffle-balls, foam footballs), purely because of the fact that the reset becomes exponentially harder to round up and count all of the game pieces.

MooreteP 21-12-2013 12:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1315615)
Not to offend anyone, but for all the people who are suggesting 3v3v3 or something of the sort: Have you ever been to a DISTRICT event? Space is already extremely limited as it is. It would be impossible to have 3v3v3, unless they drastically reduce the size of the playing field. Even queing areas would be a nightmare. I don't foresee 3v3v3 or anything similar coming for a very very long time. And if that change ever does come, half (probably more) of the high school gyms that are currently utilized for districts wouldn't be big enough to use anymore (Let alone offseason events...)

Not offended at all. I agree with you about the logistical nightmare.
I just can't get the theme of threes out of my head.
Hat trick comment from the AndyMark FIRST choice debacle posts, as well as others.
Reminds me of the Triple Play hints.

Gotta finish wrapping presents.......

dellagd 21-12-2013 12:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1315643)
So I had a thought that the slashes might not mean division, but instead that they're alternatives. I noticed that there are THREE sets of numbers separated by commas. Which means that if these were points then they would be points in 3d space (not 2D like the triangles that have been floating around on this thread). So I found a tool to plot points in 3d space (http://hotmath.com/learning_activiti.../3dplotter.swf) and assumed that the slashes meant that the coordinate could be either number. That process would give us 8 possible points in a box pattern.
I can't figure out how to insert it into my post so I included the screenshot as an attachment.
(NOTE: I plotted the points at 1:1000 scale to make them fit on the graph better, according to geometry this will not affect the shape at all.)

This seems significant. Is it a perfect box? I cant see from the photo. Even if it being a box isnt the actual point does it hint at some mathematical relationship?

yarden.saa 21-12-2013 12:05

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the complete sign by Yehuda Eitam:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.94281%2C-81.311998&cbp=%2C32.62%2C%2C3%2C15.080002&layer=c& panoid=VNSRfLx4QNO3teEqfg3kxg&spn=0.18000000000000 152%2C0.30000000000000676&output=classic&cbll=40.9 4281%2C-81.311998

Hallry 21-12-2013 12:09

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Ironic that it's only effective from Jan. 1st to May 1st, spanning just barely the entire build and official competition season.

But phew, at least we'll be able to tack on an extra 30 pounds for IRI! ;) :D

theCADguy 21-12-2013 12:11

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The fact that the sign says 'effective Jan 1 to May 1' is interesting. This is goes from just before kickoff (Jan 4), until right after world champs(April 26).

billbo911 21-12-2013 12:13

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"WEIGHT LIMITS REDUCED 25% EFFECTIVE JAN. 1 to MAY 1"
Sounds very much like an FRC season.

Orion.DeYoe 21-12-2013 12:16

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Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1315649)
This seems significant. Is it a perfect box? I cant see from the photo. Even if it being a box isnt the actual point does it hint at some mathematical relationship?

The dimensions of the box (at full scale) are 8177 (in the X axis), 59163 (in the Y axis), and 46520 (in the Z axis). Essentially it's nearly square on the YZ plane and very thin in the x direction. It's not a perfect cube or square in any direction.

Or 2230 21-12-2013 12:30

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This image Pretty much sums up GDC right now :P

RoundTabler 21-12-2013 12:31

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Going on the idea that those numbers signify threads on forums, what if they represent social network accounts (facebook, twitter, g+, etc.)? Or has anyone tried putting those numbers in for youtube videos?

SenorZ 21-12-2013 12:40

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Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1315661)
The dimensions of the box (at full scale) are 8177 (in the X axis), 59163 (in the Y axis), and 46520 (in the Z axis). Essentially it's nearly square on the YZ plane and very thin in the x direction. It's not a perfect cube or square in any direction.

If those are thousands of an inch, its about 4'11" x 3'10.5" and 8" deep.
Big goal?

Also, 1963 is very prominent as a "year"... the year the strike zone in baseball was expanded.

BobRaygen 21-12-2013 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1315661)
The dimensions of the box (at full scale) are 8177 (in the X axis), 59163 (in the Y axis), and 46520 (in the Z axis). Essentially it's nearly square on the YZ plane and very thin in the x direction. It's not a perfect cube or square in any direction.

Might be new dimension constraints to go along with the reduces weight

glennword 21-12-2013 12:43

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Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1315582)
Better picture,

Yarden, although the signs match in both of these pictures, the backgrounds are different. Which one actually corresponds to the coordinate search? also, please explain the entire process you went through to find these; I'm trying to replicate your results and cant quite seem to manage it. Thanks

yarden.saa 21-12-2013 12:45

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Originally Posted by glennword (Post 1315683)
Yarden, although the signs match in both of these pictures, the backgrounds are different. Which one actually corresponds to the coordinate search? also, please explain the entire process you went through to find these; I'm trying to replicate your results and cant quite seem to manage it. Thanks

go to http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=123496

RoundTabler 21-12-2013 12:54

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-. .. ... .. -.-. -. -..-. ---... becomes nisinc which is an anagram for insinc, which gives lots of google results. Just throwing this out there.

Gregor 21-12-2013 12:57

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Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1315685)

No, don't. 1 (or the current 4...) thread is enough.

Jets10123 21-12-2013 13:02

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The zip codes are Rockford IL, Zossen Germany, and Colchester IL where there was a place in England where it was named after. All three have had a civil war to be related to it and in 1963 that was the year MLK have his I give a dream speech about anti slavery. Also if you put 8234 on the map three cities come up. One in Lexumburg, Austria, and Switzerland which were all neutral countries in WWII as well as Zossens colors being blue white and green. And green has been a popular topic on chief Delphi. Therefore I believe in a war based game. Also as some one pointed out before 42 was Jackie Robinsons number, as he broke the color barrier for baseball, which is another hint at a war game.

ErickX2 21-12-2013 13:08

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Here's what I think so far. Hints don't necessarily allude to the game itself, and as such while I agree baseball could be a major part of the hint, I don't think it's about the game theme. Rather, it could be about the way baseball is played, which simply put is teams taking turns as they try to score.
At first I though this sounded somewhat hard to manage, but looking back this is something that was alrady used by FIRST in the game Aim High.
Of course I could be completely wrong, it's just my thoughts on it so far.

JakeC1020 21-12-2013 13:11

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I have heard a lot of people talking about baseball, football and hockey, as well as a theme of seeing threes this year. Could it be that there will be multiple types of game objects this year?

Normtheman 21-12-2013 13:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorZ (Post 1315679)
If those are thousands of an inch, its about 4'11" x 3'10.5" and 8" deep.
Big goal?

Also, 1963 is very prominent as a "year"... the year the strike zone in baseball was expanded.

3'10.5" would be about the top of the old strike box on a player. When MLB changed the strike box to go up to the shoulders it would be about 4'11". Also this is right heights for a 5'11" man, Jackie Robinson was 5'11".

ljmotley 21-12-2013 13:27

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We think that it may be recycling water bottles. You may have to sort items between trash and recycling. Triangles have appeared a lot, and the symbol for recycling is the triangle. The water bottles were arranged in a triangle. The coordinates from the original numbers led us to Rockford, IL and Colchester, IL, which have metal recycling facilities. Blue and green have appeared often, which are the colors for recycling.

Team 4931

Tottanka 21-12-2013 13:34

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I think a reliable way to find if the intention of the game hint is this or the other, a good way would be to "backtrack".
Meaning, if you are confident enough that you solved it - show us how the GDC decided on it to be the hint.
Example: The weight limit change theory, show us how the GDC wanted to tell us that the limit has been reduced, and thus how they found that sign and its coordinates.
If someone could both give a solid theory for a hint, and provide a backtrack of that kind- i think it would be pretty solid for a solution.

Jonathan Lister 21-12-2013 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundTabler (Post 1315696)
-. .. ... .. -.-. -. -..-. ---... becomes nisinc which is an anagram for insinc, which gives lots of google results. Just throwing this out there.

This must mean the robots have to perform in a boy band (insinc = 'N Sync).
Of course, this has to be done underwater.

theCADguy 21-12-2013 13:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jets10123 (Post 1315702)
The zip codes are Rockford IL, Zossen Germany, and Colchester IL where there was a place in England where it was named after. All three have had a civil war to be related to it and in 1963 that was the year MLK have his I give a dream speech about anti slavery. Also if you put 8234 on the map three cities come up. One in Lexumburg, Austria, and Switzerland which were all neutral countries in WWII as well as Zossens colors being blue white and green. And green has been a popular topic on chief Delphi. Therefore I believe in a war based game. Also as some one pointed out before 42 was Jackie Robinsons number, as he broke the color barrier for baseball, which is another hint at a war game.

I highly doubt that FIRST will ever have a game involving war or fighting. A game like this goes against the ideals of FIRST, especially Gracious Professionalism.

Flimsor 21-12-2013 13:51

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Does anybody know where that picture of Dean, Woodie, and the other man came from?

Flimsor 21-12-2013 13:53

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Also, is there any chance someone could post a picture of a completed, unmodified KOP chassis? I'd like to see what GDC might have had to change based off of what it wouldn't have worked well with. Thanks

Christopher149 21-12-2013 13:54

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Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1315735)
Does anybody know where that picture of Dean, Woodie, and the other man came from?

The FRC blog

Flimsor 21-12-2013 13:56

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Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1315737)

Sweet, thanks!

MrBasse 21-12-2013 14:03

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Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1315736)
Also, is there any chance someone could post a picture of a completed, unmodified KOP chassis? I'd like to see what GDC might have had to change based off of what it wouldn't have worked well with. Thanks

I'll be sure to post one up in about two weeks...

Flimsor 21-12-2013 14:06

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Originally Posted by MrBasse (Post 1315739)
I'll be sure to post one up in about two weeks...

I meant last year's chassis. Sorry bout that. I'm sure it would be quite hard to acquire a new one, haha

MrBasse 21-12-2013 14:13

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You can just go here to take a look at last years chassis.

Flimsor 21-12-2013 14:18

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Originally Posted by MrBasse (Post 1315741)
You can just go here to take a look at last years chassis.

Thanks

RobotDoktor 21-12-2013 14:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1315736)
Also, is there any chance someone could post a picture of a completed, unmodified KOP chassis? I'd like to see what GDC might have had to change based off of what it wouldn't have worked well with. Thanks

They have been careful not to reveal very much about the new KOP chassis, but they have said that the frame will be sheet metal based, which should be similar to this.

Anthony4004 21-12-2013 14:52

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Originally Posted by theCADguy (Post 1315637)
The spacecraft was headed towards Mars...
The game may have something to do with Mars or space exploration in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2MV-4_No.1

Good things Im on the MARS Rovers :D

Joseph1825 21-12-2013 15:35

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I am currently working on translating the numbers into binary, then reading it as morse code, then applying a ceaser shift cypher at the end. I will post if I find anything useful.

VioletElizabeth 21-12-2013 16:01

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I went binary to morse on the first two and got jock and ip. Haven't tried swapping 0s and 1s or done the other 4. It kinda goes exponential, so it'll take a bit.

electroken 21-12-2013 16:21

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Originally Posted by BleakRNS (Post 1315224)
Which means that the only two digits remaining are...



I rest my case.

It's the only number retired throughout major league baseball. The last guy to wear it (Mariano Rivera) just retired a few months ago. We're playin' baseball!

Every real Wiffle ball ever made came from right here in Shelton, CT. Time for a stake out the factory...

Libby K 21-12-2013 16:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundTabler (Post 1315696)
-. .. ... .. -.-. -. -..-. ---... becomes nisinc which is an anagram for insinc, which gives lots of google results. Just throwing this out there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Lister (Post 1315727)
This must mean the robots have to perform in a boy band (insinc = 'N Sync).
Of course, this has to be done underwater.

*NSYNC you say?



Bye Bye Bye -- no more robots. FIRST is over. Sorry kiddos, we're done.

karomata 21-12-2013 16:29

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I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.

So when adding the values for each independent group of numbers, you get 17/12, 16/19, 19/20. If you convert those to a 1 to 1 number/letter code (A=1, B=2, C=3...), you get Q/L, P/S, S/T. You may notice that there are 2 consecutive S's, however, the most common double letter in many languages is L. So if the S's covert to L's, this is a 7 number variance shift (A=-7=T, B=-6=U, Q=10, R=11). This changes the original string of letters into J/E, I/L, L/M. Assuming the individual pairs of letters are words themselves, translated from French to English this means: I, He (or It), and the last pair are roman numerals for 950. When putting together the individual words, you get IHE950. An IHE is a New Zealand Piper, a type of fish. No, this does not mean it is a water game. From the NZ Piper, we jumped to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Videogame Developer, and that makes sense because the original statement was in french, and Fish=Fish. That is how we know that this statement leads up to Phil Fish. Phil Fish developed a game called FEZ, best known for its mix of a 2D platform and 3D platform. This is shown in the game as rotation and viewing different sides of a cubic object. Here is a video of this game being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2SysTLCPc
How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough.

SenorZ 21-12-2013 16:35

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1315803)
I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.

So when adding the values for each independent group of numbers, you get 17/12, 16/19, 19/20. If you convert those to a 1 to 1 number/letter code (A=1, B=2, C=3...), you get Q/L, P/S, S/T. You may notice that there are 2 consecutive S's, however, the most common double letter in many languages is L. So if the S's covert to L's, this is a 7 number variance shift (A=-7=T, B=-6=U, Q=10, R=11). This changes the original string of letters into J/E, I/L, L/M. Assuming the individual pairs of letters are words themselves, translated from French to English this means: I, He (or It), and the last pair are roman numerals for 950. When putting together the individual words, you get IHE950. An IHE is a New Zealand Piper, a type of fish. No, this does not mean it is a water game. From the NZ Piper, we jumped to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Videogame Developer, and that makes sense because the original statement was in french, and Fish=Fish. That is how we know that this statement leads up to Phil Fish. Phil Fish developed a game called FEZ, best known for its mix of a 2D platform and 3D platform. This is shown in the game as rotation and viewing different sides of a cubic object. Here is a video of this game being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2SysTLCPc
How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough.

Dude...

Sean Raia 21-12-2013 16:48

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1315803)
I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.

So when adding the values for each independent group of numbers, you get 17/12, 16/19, 19/20. If you convert those to a 1 to 1 number/letter code (A=1, B=2, C=3...), you get Q/L, P/S, S/T. You may notice that there are 2 consecutive S's, however, the most common double letter in many languages is L. So if the S's covert to L's, this is a 7 number variance shift (A=-7=T, B=-6=U, Q=10, R=11). This changes the original string of letters into J/E, I/L, L/M. Assuming the individual pairs of letters are words themselves, translated from French to English this means: I, He (or It), and the last pair are roman numerals for 950. When putting together the individual words, you get IHE950. An IHE is a New Zealand Piper, a type of fish. No, this does not mean it is a water game. From the NZ Piper, we jumped to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Videogame Developer, and that makes sense because the original statement was in french, and Fish=Fish. That is how we know that this statement leads up to Phil Fish. Phil Fish developed a game called FEZ, best known for its mix of a 2D platform and 3D platform. This is shown in the game as rotation and viewing different sides of a cubic object. Here is a video of this game being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2SysTLCPc
How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough.

I personally think the 7 number variance shift was a bit much. Also from there it makes sense, except that Phil is an obscure/very "new" person even among relatively nerdy folks. I love where your heads at though and I think that attacking the numbers and looking for a translation is where this one needs to go.

Flytrevor 21-12-2013 16:50

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1315803)
I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.

So when adding the values for each independent group of numbers, you get 17/12, 16/19, 19/20. If you convert those to a 1 to 1 number/letter code (A=1, B=2, C=3...), you get Q/L, P/S, S/T. You may notice that there are 2 consecutive S's, however, the most common double letter in many languages is L. So if the S's covert to L's, this is a 7 number variance shift (A=-7=T, B=-6=U, Q=10, R=11). This changes the original string of letters into J/E, I/L, L/M. Assuming the individual pairs of letters are words themselves, translated from French to English this means: I, He (or It), and the last pair are roman numerals for 950. When putting together the individual words, you get IHE950. An IHE is a New Zealand Piper, a type of fish. No, this does not mean it is a water game. From the NZ Piper, we jumped to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Videogame Developer, and that makes sense because the original statement was in french, and Fish=Fish. That is how we know that this statement leads up to Phil Fish. Phil Fish developed a game called FEZ, best known for its mix of a 2D platform and 3D platform. This is shown in the game as rotation and viewing different sides of a cubic object. Here is a video of this game being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2SysTLCPc
How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough.

where does the 950 come in to play? and what do you mean Fish=Fish in french Fish is poisson? otherwise very good and in depth point!

Sean Raia 21-12-2013 17:21

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Well I tried to sketch the shape the bottles make, and it's close but it COULD just be a coincidence. After that, I rotated the image so that the shape matched the graph that somebody posted earlier (page 5?) Then I looked at the image for what seemed to be revealed by the rotation/mirroring and I found something interesting. What picture is this back there and are those two 3's?




RobotDoktor 21-12-2013 17:25

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1315818)
Well I tried to sketch the shape the bottles make, and it's close but it COULD just be a coincidence. After that, I rotated the image so that the shape matched the graph that somebody posted earlier (page 5?) Then I looked at the image for what seemed to be revealed by the rotation/mirroring and I found something interesting. What picture is this and are those two 3's?




Very interesting. I thought the all the threes were a coincidence (especially since there were many threes found in last years hint), but one of those threes looks an awful lot like it was edited in, as it appears to overlap the green screen which should be in front of it.

mhos1997 21-12-2013 17:31

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobotDoktor (Post 1315822)
Very interesting. I thought the all the threes were a coincidence (especially since there were many threes found in last years hint), but one of those threes looks an awful lot like it was edited in, as it appears to overlap the green screen which should be in front of it.


The top one like either like a 4 or a triangle. Triangle seems more plausible, therefore leading to 3 of something.

Sean Raia 21-12-2013 17:38

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That looks like a ledge of some sort... and I agree that the top number appears to be 4. It wasn't edited in though, that bleeding in is just a result of modern photography.

RobotDoktor 21-12-2013 17:51

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Actually, looking at the original it is more likely to be a two with the bottom cut off.

Orion.DeYoe 21-12-2013 18:00

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Has anyone noticed the trends in the numbers? The numerator of each term increases as you go left to right (8234<61126<62326). The denominators are the same way (57<1963<15806) except that they increase at a greater rate compared to the numerators. This causes the quotient of the fractions to increase left to right as well (~144.46<~31.14<~3.94). They're not linear, but I wonder if this has some significance.

Team3844 21-12-2013 18:05

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Could still be a water game if you change the water's state. Hockey on Ice reusing the Lunacy Floor. It would be cool if they also would perforate the floor like a table hokey game for compressed air up flow so the puck would slide as if it where on ice.

Team3266Spencer 21-12-2013 18:15

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ykarkason (Post 1315238)
Guys!
Here's the shitz:
Here are the points mapped in a Cartesian coordinate system:

Here's the photo from the kickoff filming blog post:


Take a look at the shape of the water bottles on the floor! Odd, euh?

3 bottles, 3 people. 2 green screens, 2 red lights, 2 blue lights = 3 alliances of 2 teams each!

Now what's more?
Woodie and Don Bossi are sitting whilst Dean is standing. Two Bottles are on the floor and one is lifted. Can it mean anything?!

There is a third green screen on the other side though :/

Steven Donow 21-12-2013 18:15

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1315830)
That looks like a ledge of some sort... and I agree that the top number appears to be 4. It wasn't edited in though, that bleeding in is just a result of modern photography.

If kickoff wasn't filmed at FIRST HQ and was filmed at an actual production studio with soundstages, that's probably a sign showing that they were currently on soundstage/greenscreen/production area/whatever #3.

RoundTabler 21-12-2013 18:23

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Having been to FIRST HQ, I can tell you I don't remember any floors like that (I could be wrong however). :/

That said, I really like the idea that these numbers mean something in RGB. :o

MooreteP 21-12-2013 18:28

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1315803)
I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.
........
How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough.

What I like about these game hints is that we get creative analyses like this.

I think there is something fractal in FIRST where we have to keep reminding ourselves that "it's not about the Robot."

It's not about what the game will be, but about us exercising our brains.
Kind of like going to the gym. It serves no direct purpose but is good way to spend ones time and imparts long term benefit.

Orientational manipulation is a challenge. Maybe a cube with three different colors symmetric on opposing faces is the nature of the "three" in these clues.

Almost done wrapping presents.

dellagd 21-12-2013 18:32

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Just a though, whatever the solution is, it probably doesnt involve the "/" meaning division because, come on, thats too easy.

Jay O'Donnell 21-12-2013 18:37

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dellagd (Post 1315854)
Just a though, whatever the solution is, it probably doesnt involve the "/" meaning division because, come on, thats too easy.

So you're saying we should over analyze and ignore the obvious answers? Remember when we did that for the Moonfish in 2009?

Flimsor 21-12-2013 18:39

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1315848)
If kickoff wasn't filmed at FIRST HQ and was filmed at an actual production studio with soundstages, that's probably a sign showing that they were currently on soundstage/greenscreen/production area/whatever #3.

It's still interesting that the numbers matched up when the image was oriented to match the triangle. I had seen that in the background, and I couldn't make out what they were until I saw the image rotated and flipped.

Flytrevor 21-12-2013 18:46

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some people have said that they are postal codes, all of which are in Illinois, Illinois is home to the THIRD largest city in the USA... Coincidence, i think not!:ahh:

BobRaygen 21-12-2013 18:58

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
According to some earlier posts the color green might mean recycling, possibly of older game ideas. And that someone else found a connection between the numbers and asteroids(in space, not the game), possibly referencing Lunacy. Combine that with the secret (the general ones they told us, but nothing specific) changes they are doing with the kit base, and their use of the phrase "attach superstructure" might mean they are using a similar idea to Lunacy in that robots will need to attach to something. Possibly something which rests on top of the robot or the robot drags along. Might also explain the possible weight reduction and size constraints also brought up as possible clues.

they did mention the kit base could move at about 10.5 feet/second, which is fairly quick. Maybe it will be a racing game of sorts.

DampRobot 21-12-2013 18:59

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To sum up what's been said so far, no one has a freaking clue.

/thread

MooreteP 21-12-2013 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1315873)
To sum up what's been said so far, no one has a freaking clue.

/thread

No, we have one, maybe two clues.

Beyond that, lots of speculation, which led to the Great Depression of 10/29/1929, which added up equals 33.

Hah!
3 clues.

:)

seg9585 21-12-2013 19:07

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Hey everyone, I have a few interesting items of note:

Pete Rose retired with the most career baseball hits of all time.
His rookie debut was in the year 1963

61126/1963 has a remainder of 273. Pete Rose's batting average in his rookie season was 0.273

As for the number 31 (61125/1963 rounded down), when Pete Rose was age 31, it was the year 1972. According to wikipedia, this was the ONLY year between 1967 and 1982 that Pete was NOT an All-Star.

Also, the number 1972 is the record for most winning games in a career. the record is held by no other but -- Pete Rose!

This is SO going to be a baseball game!

gabrielau23 21-12-2013 19:11

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I think it could be baseball...

Hallry 21-12-2013 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1315883)
I think it could be baseball...

Quote:

Originally Posted by seg9585 (Post 1315878)
This is SO going to be a baseball game!

People are trying too hard to make this game hint into a baseball game hint...

Look at it for what it is. Not what it could be, or what you want it to be.

cadandcookies 21-12-2013 19:14

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1315873)
To sum up what's been said so far, no one has a freaking clue.

/thread

Statistically, someone has already guessed a large part of the game already. We just have no idea who.

Jay O'Donnell 21-12-2013 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1315885)
Statistically, someone has already guessed a large part of the game already. We just have no idea who.

What statistics are these? Is there a statistic for game hint guesses?

cadandcookies 21-12-2013 19:16

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Actually yes. Give me a moment to compile a list of the (correct) guesses that people have made in game hint threads.

seg9585 21-12-2013 19:24

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Regardless that stat helps no one but the person who guessed it.

Consider for a minute the solutions to last year's clues -- who could without a doubt describe the game as it was, after the game was released, based on the clues provided and solved beforehand?? That whole "A ROSE KISSED..." poem, what did this have anything with pyramids and frisbees over general speculation or vague correlations?

nwilrule 21-12-2013 19:24

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Pete Rose's first game was April 8, 1963. Matching up with the post time of the game clue at 4:08.

Hallry 21-12-2013 19:32

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seg9585 (Post 1315888)
Consider for a minute the solutions to last year's clues -- who could without a doubt describe the game as it was, after the game was released, based on the clues provided and solved beforehand?? That whole "A ROSE KISSED..." poem, what did this have anything with pyramids and frisbees over general speculation or vague correlations?

Well, that poem wasn't the game hint last year. It was numbers, that people then converted to letters, thinking that was the direction to go with the hint. They made it into something they wanted it to be, not what it really was:

Quote:

31 88274153, 622341415326

412383975388 9788533197

31 262383835388, 332341415326

93276426238397 995323979397
I'm looking through last year's game hint thread now, and I remember towards the end someone did figure out pyramids...

EDIT: Here we are, people connected the poem to the singer Seal, and then to the 'Great Seal of the United States' featuring...a pyramid =P. That was only the first connection. Someone later used an online anagram solver to show that there was an even deeper hidden meaning, and then a binary converter to form a pyramid-like shape.

But, I digress. Back to 2014's hint!

Christopher149 21-12-2013 19:34

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1315891)
Well, that poem wasn't the game hint last year. It was numbers, that people then converted to letters, thinking that was the direction to go with the hint. They made it into something they wanted it to be, not what it really was:



I'm looking through last year's game hint thread now, and I remember towards the end someone did figure out pyramids...

Once you interpreted the number across digit pairs in pi, the poem became obvious (and was found by page 5)

Pete Rose seems interesting, since last year's poem said "A Rose Kissed"

Hallry 21-12-2013 19:36

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1315893)
Pete Rose seems interesting, since last year's poem said "A Rose Kissed"

How about we focus on THIS YEAR'S hint...and not go making hints out of things that they are not.

Gregor 21-12-2013 19:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1315894)
...and not go making hints out of things that they are not.

Ha

nwilrule 21-12-2013 19:43

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In the 1963 World Series the LA dodgers played the NY Yankees. The dodgers had a season record of .611 matching with the second set of numbers. They also had Derrel Griffith who was #26 and started on Sep. 26 1963. 1963 was. The 50 anniversary of the Yankees was 1963. The 50 year anniversary of zip codes and Pete rose is 2013.

josephb 21-12-2013 19:49

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Did anyone notice the reference to a water game in the FTC kickoff video? 1:10-1:20 at http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/ftc/game. Maybe a water minibot that must race up a small incline. Hence, the one water bottle on the stage.

cadandcookies 21-12-2013 19:54

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seg9585 (Post 1315888)
Regardless that stat helps no one but the person who guessed it.

Consider for a minute the solutions to last year's clues -- who could without a doubt describe the game as it was, after the game was released, based on the clues provided and solved beforehand?? That whole "A ROSE KISSED..." poem, what did this have anything with pyramids and frisbees over general speculation or vague correlations?

I think you're reading too much into it. People never guess the whole game-- what would be the fun in that? They guess just enough that we can go back after kickoff and tie it all back together.

Here's a list going back to 2010 of game hints and correct (and important) guesses. If the fancy takes me, I might go back further later.

2013:
Smaller Robot, 3-color game pieces http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=51

2012:
Guesses it's a small ball game http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=40
Guesses there are multiple goals, and it's like Aim High http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=19

2011:
Literally first post is guessing that all three shapes of the FIRST logo will be used in the game http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...04&postcount=2
Post guessing that the game will involve climbing a pole http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...55&postcount=4
2010:
Soccer ball, part is a ball return mechanism http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=40

seg9585 21-12-2013 19:55

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Enough with the water game jokes, this thread has majorly overdone it and taken the fun out of it.
Water game will not, can not happen with our current hardware (as if anyone here didn't know that). the electronics are obviously not compatible, 2.4 Ghz wifi doesn't work underwater, and the roboRio wont work either. Go join RoboSubhttp://www.auvsifoundation.org/found...tions/robosub/

Now, a UAV aircraft competition, on the other hand... Air Game!

Hallry 21-12-2013 19:58

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1315903)
2013:
Smaller Robot, 3-color game pieces http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=51

Okay, except that the smaller robot wasn't from the hint - It was from the KOP dimensions being smaller, as released by AndyMark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1315903)
2011:
Literally first post is guessing that all three shapes of the FIRST logo will be used in the game http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...04&postcount=2
Post guessing that the game will involve climbing a pole http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...55&postcount=4

Also, the Logo, and the song 'Locomotion' (by the singer in the pole photo) also let people easily guess the name of the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1315903)
2010:
Soccer ball, part is a ball return mechanism http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=40

Also, the first hint, an image of a middle gate, let people guess that there would be separate zones.

But...Back to 2014's hint!

Quote:

8234/57, 61126/1963, 62326/15806

cadandcookies 21-12-2013 19:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seg9585 (Post 1315905)
Enough with the water game jokes, this thread has majorly overdone it and taken the fun out of it.

Please kindly get over it. The water jokes have been around since before you or I was involved in FIRST and they'll probably continue for a long time. At this point water game is as much a part of the FIRST culture as GP is.


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