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http://www.morethantoys.com.au/shop/...25-degree.html [It's model number appears to be 57-C8234] Could bring us back to racing. |
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Our friends in Israel, the most important FIRST outpost on the planet, are cogitating the clue. Emily has provided one of the more interesting interpretations, though I don't think that game would be "fan-friendly". I think the KOP change to easily accommodate different attachments means that a modular robot that can perform unique functions, depending on the abilities of the alliance partners, may be in order this year. This, along with the three people (okay, Dean is somewhat robotic at times :) ) in the picture, suggests a triad that can work together points to 3v3v3. It's hard enough to explain the game to the casual observer with 6 robots. 9 robots?! Well at least we may get the increased number of matches in a Regional or District that we have asked for, but the coordination of the matches will be tough. If this is the case, I predict 3:00 matches, with more time between matches. Ohhh, the batteries! Ohhh, the scouting. A scoring robot, a defense robot, and a third for a unique endgame. Hockeyball? Basekey? Umpires, referees, replay booths? I hope not. I need to wrap presents. Happy Solstice. The only holiday created by "God". http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...er/?tid=pm_pop 12:11 on 12/21 (almost a palindrome) Waning gibbous. Lunacy I need to wrap presents. |
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I think one thing that we're forgetting is the fact that FIRST is changing the KOP drive base. This may play a factor in what the game is.
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Baptist -> Baptism -> Water
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Looking at the previous posts, baseball does seem very possible. Just a question though, did any FRC game have an element that involved two robots from opposite teams doing something correctly (i.e. FRC tennis)?
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Has anyone considered that the numbers could be a reference to a topic/post number on a forum? I looked on the first forum and found some things, as well as some dead ends.
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Do you think that maybe it will take a string of plugging the numbers into the calculator? Or would that work? Take your answer and go through the process again. Maybe it will make sense after that.
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As for alliance stations - would one alliance have their teams on what side of the field, the second alliance have their teams on the other side of the field, and the third alliance have their teams split between the two sides of the field? |
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If there's actually a 90lb weight limit, I'm going to be very frustrated. The weight limit is tough as it is; I can only recall one robot I've worked on in the entirety of my time in FIRST that weighed under 90lbs.
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It was really really easy to find it on google earth, I just entered the pairs of numbers (i.e 8234/57) and took the first option |
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If there is going to be a 90 lbs weight limit, we may be required to build robots that have a smaller frame perimeter.
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I like the weight interpretation. It seems like the most reasonable (least random) one to me.
As for the photo, I found a couple of things that I'm not sure if anyone has addressed yet (I was asleep last night, and I did not bother to check every single reply made while I was out). I'm especially curious about the thing in the background because I don't know what it is. |
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The game may have something to do with Mars or space exploration in general. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2MV-4_No.1 |
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So I had a thought that the slashes might not mean division, but instead that they're alternatives. I noticed that there are THREE sets of numbers separated by commas. Which means that if these were points then they would be points in 3d space (not 2D like the triangles that have been floating around on this thread). So I found a tool to plot points in 3d space (http://hotmath.com/learning_activiti.../3dplotter.swf) and assumed that the slashes meant that the coordinate could be either number. That process would give us 8 possible points in a box pattern.
I can't figure out how to insert it into my post so I included the screenshot as an attachment. (NOTE: I plotted the points at 1:1000 scale to make them fit on the graph better, according to geometry this will not affect the shape at all.) |
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I highly doubt FIRST is going to use a large number of small game pieces (baseballs, wiffle-balls, foam footballs), purely because of the fact that the reset becomes exponentially harder to round up and count all of the game pieces.
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I just can't get the theme of threes out of my head. Hat trick comment from the AndyMark FIRST choice debacle posts, as well as others. Reminds me of the Triple Play hints. Gotta finish wrapping presents....... |
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But phew, at least we'll be able to tack on an extra 30 pounds for IRI! ;) :D |
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Sounds very much like an FRC season. |
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Going on the idea that those numbers signify threads on forums, what if they represent social network accounts (facebook, twitter, g+, etc.)? Or has anyone tried putting those numbers in for youtube videos?
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Big goal? Also, 1963 is very prominent as a "year"... the year the strike zone in baseball was expanded. |
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-. .. ... .. -.-. -. -..-. ---... becomes nisinc which is an anagram for insinc, which gives lots of google results. Just throwing this out there.
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The zip codes are Rockford IL, Zossen Germany, and Colchester IL where there was a place in England where it was named after. All three have had a civil war to be related to it and in 1963 that was the year MLK have his I give a dream speech about anti slavery. Also if you put 8234 on the map three cities come up. One in Lexumburg, Austria, and Switzerland which were all neutral countries in WWII as well as Zossens colors being blue white and green. And green has been a popular topic on chief Delphi. Therefore I believe in a war based game. Also as some one pointed out before 42 was Jackie Robinsons number, as he broke the color barrier for baseball, which is another hint at a war game.
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Here's what I think so far. Hints don't necessarily allude to the game itself, and as such while I agree baseball could be a major part of the hint, I don't think it's about the game theme. Rather, it could be about the way baseball is played, which simply put is teams taking turns as they try to score.
At first I though this sounded somewhat hard to manage, but looking back this is something that was alrady used by FIRST in the game Aim High. Of course I could be completely wrong, it's just my thoughts on it so far. |
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I have heard a lot of people talking about baseball, football and hockey, as well as a theme of seeing threes this year. Could it be that there will be multiple types of game objects this year?
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We think that it may be recycling water bottles. You may have to sort items between trash and recycling. Triangles have appeared a lot, and the symbol for recycling is the triangle. The water bottles were arranged in a triangle. The coordinates from the original numbers led us to Rockford, IL and Colchester, IL, which have metal recycling facilities. Blue and green have appeared often, which are the colors for recycling.
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I think a reliable way to find if the intention of the game hint is this or the other, a good way would be to "backtrack".
Meaning, if you are confident enough that you solved it - show us how the GDC decided on it to be the hint. Example: The weight limit change theory, show us how the GDC wanted to tell us that the limit has been reduced, and thus how they found that sign and its coordinates. If someone could both give a solid theory for a hint, and provide a backtrack of that kind- i think it would be pretty solid for a solution. |
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Of course, this has to be done underwater. |
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Does anybody know where that picture of Dean, Woodie, and the other man came from?
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Also, is there any chance someone could post a picture of a completed, unmodified KOP chassis? I'd like to see what GDC might have had to change based off of what it wouldn't have worked well with. Thanks
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You can just go here to take a look at last years chassis.
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I am currently working on translating the numbers into binary, then reading it as morse code, then applying a ceaser shift cypher at the end. I will post if I find anything useful.
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I went binary to morse on the first two and got jock and ip. Haven't tried swapping 0s and 1s or done the other 4. It kinda goes exponential, so it'll take a bit.
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Every real Wiffle ball ever made came from right here in Shelton, CT. Time for a stake out the factory... |
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![]() Bye Bye Bye -- no more robots. FIRST is over. Sorry kiddos, we're done. |
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I think this relates instead to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Indie Game Developer, most famous for his development of the game FEZ. Stick with me here, it gets a bit complicated.
So when adding the values for each independent group of numbers, you get 17/12, 16/19, 19/20. If you convert those to a 1 to 1 number/letter code (A=1, B=2, C=3...), you get Q/L, P/S, S/T. You may notice that there are 2 consecutive S's, however, the most common double letter in many languages is L. So if the S's covert to L's, this is a 7 number variance shift (A=-7=T, B=-6=U, Q=10, R=11). This changes the original string of letters into J/E, I/L, L/M. Assuming the individual pairs of letters are words themselves, translated from French to English this means: I, He (or It), and the last pair are roman numerals for 950. When putting together the individual words, you get IHE950. An IHE is a New Zealand Piper, a type of fish. No, this does not mean it is a water game. From the NZ Piper, we jumped to Phil Fish, a French Canadian Videogame Developer, and that makes sense because the original statement was in french, and Fish=Fish. That is how we know that this statement leads up to Phil Fish. Phil Fish developed a game called FEZ, best known for its mix of a 2D platform and 3D platform. This is shown in the game as rotation and viewing different sides of a cubic object. Here is a video of this game being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2SysTLCPc How does this apply to a game? We could have game objects that need to face different directions for additional scoring? Drivers changing perspectives? This has a lot of potential and I also think this is within a reasonable balance of over analysis and not thinking deep enough. |
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Well I tried to sketch the shape the bottles make, and it's close but it COULD just be a coincidence. After that, I rotated the image so that the shape matched the graph that somebody posted earlier (page 5?) Then I looked at the image for what seemed to be revealed by the rotation/mirroring and I found something interesting. What picture is this back there and are those two 3's?
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The top one like either like a 4 or a triangle. Triangle seems more plausible, therefore leading to 3 of something. |
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That looks like a ledge of some sort... and I agree that the top number appears to be 4. It wasn't edited in though, that bleeding in is just a result of modern photography.
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Actually, looking at the original it is more likely to be a two with the bottom cut off.
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Has anyone noticed the trends in the numbers? The numerator of each term increases as you go left to right (8234<61126<62326). The denominators are the same way (57<1963<15806) except that they increase at a greater rate compared to the numerators. This causes the quotient of the fractions to increase left to right as well (~144.46<~31.14<~3.94). They're not linear, but I wonder if this has some significance.
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Could still be a water game if you change the water's state. Hockey on Ice reusing the Lunacy Floor. It would be cool if they also would perforate the floor like a table hokey game for compressed air up flow so the puck would slide as if it where on ice.
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Having been to FIRST HQ, I can tell you I don't remember any floors like that (I could be wrong however). :/
That said, I really like the idea that these numbers mean something in RGB. :o |
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I think there is something fractal in FIRST where we have to keep reminding ourselves that "it's not about the Robot." It's not about what the game will be, but about us exercising our brains. Kind of like going to the gym. It serves no direct purpose but is good way to spend ones time and imparts long term benefit. Orientational manipulation is a challenge. Maybe a cube with three different colors symmetric on opposing faces is the nature of the "three" in these clues. Almost done wrapping presents. |
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Just a though, whatever the solution is, it probably doesnt involve the "/" meaning division because, come on, thats too easy.
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some people have said that they are postal codes, all of which are in Illinois, Illinois is home to the THIRD largest city in the USA... Coincidence, i think not!:ahh:
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According to some earlier posts the color green might mean recycling, possibly of older game ideas. And that someone else found a connection between the numbers and asteroids(in space, not the game), possibly referencing Lunacy. Combine that with the secret (the general ones they told us, but nothing specific) changes they are doing with the kit base, and their use of the phrase "attach superstructure" might mean they are using a similar idea to Lunacy in that robots will need to attach to something. Possibly something which rests on top of the robot or the robot drags along. Might also explain the possible weight reduction and size constraints also brought up as possible clues.
they did mention the kit base could move at about 10.5 feet/second, which is fairly quick. Maybe it will be a racing game of sorts. |
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To sum up what's been said so far, no one has a freaking clue.
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Beyond that, lots of speculation, which led to the Great Depression of 10/29/1929, which added up equals 33. Hah! 3 clues. :) |
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Hey everyone, I have a few interesting items of note:
Pete Rose retired with the most career baseball hits of all time. His rookie debut was in the year 1963 61126/1963 has a remainder of 273. Pete Rose's batting average in his rookie season was 0.273 As for the number 31 (61125/1963 rounded down), when Pete Rose was age 31, it was the year 1972. According to wikipedia, this was the ONLY year between 1967 and 1982 that Pete was NOT an All-Star. Also, the number 1972 is the record for most winning games in a career. the record is held by no other but -- Pete Rose! This is SO going to be a baseball game! |
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I think it could be baseball...
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Look at it for what it is. Not what it could be, or what you want it to be. |
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Actually yes. Give me a moment to compile a list of the (correct) guesses that people have made in game hint threads.
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Regardless that stat helps no one but the person who guessed it.
Consider for a minute the solutions to last year's clues -- who could without a doubt describe the game as it was, after the game was released, based on the clues provided and solved beforehand?? That whole "A ROSE KISSED..." poem, what did this have anything with pyramids and frisbees over general speculation or vague correlations? |
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Pete Rose's first game was April 8, 1963. Matching up with the post time of the game clue at 4:08.
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EDIT: Here we are, people connected the poem to the singer Seal, and then to the 'Great Seal of the United States' featuring...a pyramid =P. That was only the first connection. Someone later used an online anagram solver to show that there was an even deeper hidden meaning, and then a binary converter to form a pyramid-like shape. But, I digress. Back to 2014's hint! |
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Pete Rose seems interesting, since last year's poem said "A Rose Kissed" |
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In the 1963 World Series the LA dodgers played the NY Yankees. The dodgers had a season record of .611 matching with the second set of numbers. They also had Derrel Griffith who was #26 and started on Sep. 26 1963. 1963 was. The 50 anniversary of the Yankees was 1963. The 50 year anniversary of zip codes and Pete rose is 2013.
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Did anyone notice the reference to a water game in the FTC kickoff video? 1:10-1:20 at http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/ftc/game. Maybe a water minibot that must race up a small incline. Hence, the one water bottle on the stage.
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Here's a list going back to 2010 of game hints and correct (and important) guesses. If the fancy takes me, I might go back further later. 2013: Smaller Robot, 3-color game pieces http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=51 2012: Guesses it's a small ball game http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=40 Guesses there are multiple goals, and it's like Aim High http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=19 2011: Literally first post is guessing that all three shapes of the FIRST logo will be used in the game http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...04&postcount=2 Post guessing that the game will involve climbing a pole http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...55&postcount=4 2010: Soccer ball, part is a ball return mechanism http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=40 |
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Enough with the water game jokes, this thread has majorly overdone it and taken the fun out of it.
Water game will not, can not happen with our current hardware (as if anyone here didn't know that). the electronics are obviously not compatible, 2.4 Ghz wifi doesn't work underwater, and the roboRio wont work either. Go join RoboSubhttp://www.auvsifoundation.org/found...tions/robosub/ Now, a UAV aircraft competition, on the other hand... Air Game! |
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