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Steve Compton 28-12-2013 11:43

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Originally Posted by ThereYouAre (Post 1317602)
If it has something to do with football, how would that relate to the other hints.

Yeah...the football claim doesn't relate at all to the other clues. I've just thought it was going to be a football game for months now. Very little analysis from here ;)

iceBird10 28-12-2013 13:36

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Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1317417)
Those field elements that Mr. N made make a lot more sense if you use the torus. Then it looks like you're putting inner tubes on a vertical post, and stacking them up. That seems very reasonable.

That seems a little too similar to LogoMotion if you ask me.

Anthony4004 28-12-2013 13:53

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Originally Posted by iceBird10 (Post 1317669)
That seems a little too similar to LogoMotion if you ask me.

We did talk about how the hint relates to being Green, so recycling.

EricH 28-12-2013 14:02

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Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1317671)
We did talk about how the hint relates to being Green, so recycling.

Recycling way too fast, even for FIRST. You shoulda heard the comments when LogoMotion (2011) came around only 4 seasons after Rack 'n Roll (2007), which was 10 seasons after the previous game to use inner tubes (back in 1997!). 3 seasons between similar games? WAY too short a turnaround.

2012 to 2006? Better. 2013 to 2012 and 2006? Different game object and no returns, so different game entirely.

DavisC 28-12-2013 14:04

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Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1317642)
To me, we now have 4 solid theories that all have decent "evidence" if something were to be proved:
1. 25% Weight Reduction
2. Baseball game
3. Stacking game, maybe? (Mr. N's Geometry work)
4. Tee-ball, although that's almost like baseball.

I think that is about right, however looking at past games (yes I know the GDC is bound to throw curve balls here and there like last year), we have had 2 strongly shooting games the past 2 years, I'd say we are due for handling game.

Also I think they are hinting at baseball too much in the blog.

This leaves 1 and 3, both i think are highly plausible.

On another note, the abstract hinting at Dr. Who could mean something, but what would be a game that comes from that (obviously cant base game on too much previous knowledge of show cause that would make it too confusing).

Also, in the picture's background i see what looks like 2 upward opening 3's towards what looks like a giant mushroom? idk...

audietron 28-12-2013 14:59

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Originally Posted by DavisC (Post 1317676)
Also, in the picture's background i see what looks like 2 upward opening 3's towards what looks like a giant mushroom? idk...

This picture is just of an airplane cockpit as Derpancakes has said, They most likely filmed somewhere oriented around aircraft.



It is not the exact same, but you get the point.

DarrinMunter 28-12-2013 16:08

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Dean's a pilot, this could have taken at his home. I remebered from a year or two ago when they first started the pre-taping, the blog said something about filming at Dean's place.

PAR_WIG1350 28-12-2013 16:10

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Originally Posted by Derpancakes (Post 1317368)
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but they're in a hangar in the picture. Look at the floor drains, the corrugated metal walls, and the cockpit diagram in the back left. Seems interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munter2081 (Post 1317693)
Dean's a pilot, this could have taken at his home. I remebered from a year or two ago when they first started the pre-taping, the blog said something about filming at Dean's place.

Dean Kamen owns helicopters, and hangers...

theCADguy 28-12-2013 17:27

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Originally Posted by ThereYouAre (Post 1317601)
In fact maybe the picture has nothing to do with anything, maybe it is the numbers they mention on what kind of image it is and everything.

Looking at the data located below the image, I was able to draw a few connections:
1. Encoding Process - Baseline DCT.
In baseball, each base is connected by a white baseline. The bases are places where the runner cannot be tagged out. This could mean there could be a zone where robots from another alliance cannot contact robots in that specific zone.(Think of the protected feeder stations and pyramids from Ultimate Ascent.)

2. Exif byte order - Big-endian(Motorola,MM)
In this one, the word "big" stands out the most. This could potentially mean that some aspect of the game is larger than past. This could hint to larger game pieces, larger alliances, or a longer match. There are many possibilities with this one.

3. Compression - JPEG(old style)
Compression is a way of making an image's file size smaller. Therefore we may have to build smaller robots this year. This is further supported by the 25% weight limit sign that we had come across earlier. Before an image is compressed, the file size is much larger than after it is compressed. This hints to the possibility of certain objectives requiring a robot to either increase or decrease in size.

Something else to pay attention to is the use of an older form of JPEG compression. This could be telling us that some aspects of the game may be 'borrowed' from a previous FRC or FTC game, as the term 'old-style' is used.

Anthony4004 28-12-2013 17:31

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Originally Posted by theCADguy (Post 1317723)
3. Compression - JPEG(old style)
Compression is a way of making an image's file size smaller. Therefore we may have to build smaller robots this year. This is further supported by the 25% weight limit sign that we had come across earlier. Before an image is compressed, the file size is much larger than after it is compressed. This hints to the possibility of certain objectives requiring a robot to either increase or decrease in size.

This actually is a smart idea. Just throwing this out here, what is the speculated field CAD that i had brought up is a corral that the robot will need to fit into? Like a box.

cadandcookies 28-12-2013 17:49

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Nearly any image that isn't raw from the camera is compressed. I doubt it's significant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_compression

theCADguy 28-12-2013 17:59

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Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1317736)
Nearly any image that isn't raw from the camera is compressed. I doubt it's significant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_compression

I know that. The fact that this is present in the data sheet may still be of significance. I also find it interesting that JPEG is noted twice on the datasheet.

theCADguy 28-12-2013 18:01

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Originally Posted by audietron (Post 1317684)
This picture is just of an airplane cockpit as Derpancakes has said, They most likely filmed somewhere oriented around aircraft.



It is not the exact same, but you get the point.

Hmm...

That image reminds me of Microsoft Flight Simulator...

theCADguy 28-12-2013 18:10

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Lately, we have made several connections to aircraft, as well as baseball and football. Combining these connections together, we can speculate that we will be required to shoot game pieces through the air. Baseballs, footballs, and airplanes travel in some sense, through the air. Therefore, we may be flinging game pieces this year, which will present a decent design challenge, as we have seen in past games.

gavmac928 28-12-2013 18:17

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I am guessing the details on the photo description are just to describe the photo. I am sure they wrote that there are no game hints in the photo because they knew that a photo like that at this time of year would raise suspicion from people like us. I think they just wanted to post a picture of them filming the kickoff video. However, the one bit of info the picture will tell us towards the game is that there are likely game hints in other pictures or blog posts, as I think (someone more experienced can back this up) there have been in the past. Trying to make connections from that picture that are likely pure coincidence or just normal filming studio conditions (ie. water bottle triangles or green screens) is getting us nowhere.

mchavez22 28-12-2013 18:51

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8234/57 = 144.45614035087719298245614035088
61126/1963 = 31.139072847682119205298013245033
62326/15806 = 3.9431861318486650638997848918132

it comes out to roughly 179.5. Round that up and it's 180. I looked it up. It comes out to either having the same sizes as a soccer field or little league baseball field. Both would be cool

theCADguy 28-12-2013 19:01

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Originally Posted by mchavez22 (Post 1317755)
8234/57 = 144.45614035087719298245614035088
61126/1963 = 31.139072847682119205298013245033
62326/15806 = 3.9431861318486650638997848918132

it comes out to roughly 179.5. Round that up and it's 180. I looked it up. It comes out to either having the same sizes as a soccer field or little league baseball field. Both would be cool

Soccer and Baseball are both sports that use a ball. This, along connections to airplanes, and sports that involve tossing, hitting, or kicking a ball through the air, means that we will be launching a ball into a goal of some sorts, as we did in '06. Also, we have mentioned earlier that we are due for a ball game this year, according to trends concerning game pieces. (Basically, the game pieces each year have alternated between balls and irregular shapes since the 90's. Last year, the game piece was irregularly shaped (frisbee), so if current trends continue, the game piece will be a ball this year.)

mhos1997 28-12-2013 22:20

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We have wayyyy to many ideas for this year. Let's hope its one of them. Back to interpretations.

Calvin Hartley 28-12-2013 23:01

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Regarding the Kickoff filming picture. I really don't think it's worth our time trying to interpret it as a game hint. They did say that there is no game clue in the photo. Do we really want to stoop low enough to assume that FIRST would blatantly lie about that fact? They specifically stated that there is no clue. I am going to believe it and think about other sources of information such as the blog post title "2014 Game Hint"

That's my opinion.

Kevin Leonard 29-12-2013 01:38

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Last year we were at least trying to interpret the right game hint. And we had some sense of direction with that poem.

This year we have like fifty different directions, and they're all flimsy.
I don't think we're going to get any further with this one. I love game hint speculation, but some of this is ridiculous sounding for EVEN the GDC.

mrnoble 29-12-2013 10:53

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What's the consensus on Andy Baker's baseball video at this point? I'm feeling like the bulk of the evidence (including that video and the other statements from first and andymark) is pointing in the direction of a baseball-related game. I will also point out that the first thing I noticed about "The Photo" is that the green screen reminds me of the Green Monster. The official hint seems likely to be about weight limits in one way or another, and unrelated to the "theme". So...

If it is baseball, how do you think it could be played? I'm not inclined to think that the only baseball-like part of the game would be the size of the balls; that's too much like Aim High. If it's hitting or striking balls, that might be an interesting challenge. Baseball, by it's nature, is slow moving, which doesn't fit very well with FRC's style. How do you imagine the sport might be modified or adapted to make it a viable FRC game?

I don't have very many answers at this point, and I realize that whatever we imagine, it probably won't turn out to be correct. Still I'd love to see what you all think might be possible.

Thanks!

kcy0511 29-12-2013 14:45

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@FRCTeams just tweeted this:

Yes...kind of RT @2767StrykeForce: Less than a week until kickoff! Has anyone figured out the hint? #omgrobots

In my opinion this is the FRC telling us that someone, in some thread read by them, is on the right track. I propose we go back through past suggestions no matter how unusual and make sure we didn't push something aside that was somewhat correct.

Flimsor 29-12-2013 17:10

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Originally Posted by kcy0511 (Post 1317934)
@FRCTeams just tweeted this:

Yes...kind of RT @2767StrykeForce: Less than a week until kickoff! Has anyone figured out the hint? #omgrobots

In my opinion this is the FRC telling us that someone, in some thread read by them, is on the right track. I propose we go back through past suggestions no matter how unusual and make sure we didn't push something aside that was somewhat correct.

Alright, well what if the 25% weight reduction is for the game pieces as opposed to the robots? It would be quite a lot for robots. We really should figure out a way to tie in the other portions of that hint. I've heard basically nothing about the other two FIRST signs.

gravityloop 29-12-2013 17:26

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Originally Posted by alectronic (Post 1315088)
Not that it would matter, but the post says 16:08 and it was definitely not posted at 16:08... (more like 16:20)

in January 1608 at Jamestown, Christopher Newport returns in a ship with the FIRST Supply and about 100 new settlers; he finds only 38 survivors.
In April 1608 at Jamestown, Christopher Newport again sails for England.

Co-incidence?

Water game?

thursam 29-12-2013 17:36

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Originally Posted by Flimsor (Post 1318055)
Alright, well what if the 25% weight reduction is for the game pieces as opposed to the robots? It would be quite a lot for robots. We really should figure out a way to tie in the other portions of that hint. I've heard basically nothing about the other two FIRST signs.

It would be 30 lbs - which would reduce the robot's weight to 90 lbs.


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Originally Posted by gravityloop (Post 1318059)
in January 1608 at Jamestown, Christopher Newport returns in a ship with the FIRST Supply and about 100 new settlers; he finds only 38 survivors.
In April 1608 at Jamestown, Christopher Newport again sails for England.

Co-incidence?

Water game?

I looked up some stuff based on 16:20 (1620.)

July 15 – The ship Speedwell departs Delfshaven with the Leiden colonists and Pilgrims.

August 5 (O.S.) – The Mayflower and Speedwell depart together from Plymouth, England, but the Speedwell starts to leak again and must stop.

September 6 (O.S.) – The Mayflower departs from Plymouth, England, on its 3rd attempt without the Speedwell, arriving on November 11 (Old Style date) at Cape Cod (named from Concord voyage of 1602).

November 21 (N.S.) – The Mayflower arrives inside the tip of Cape Cod, with the Pilgrims and Planters.

December 21 – Plymouth Colony: William Bradford and the Mayflower Pilgrims land on what is now known as Plymouth Rock in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

pfreivald 29-12-2013 18:25

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How heavy was the previous kitbot? The 25% weight reduction might be just referring to the transition to the new one.

Calvin Hartley 29-12-2013 18:37

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Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1318087)
How heavy was the previous kitbot? The 25% weight reduction might be just referring to the transition to the new one.

The 2013 kitbot is listed at 26 pounds. I believe the information posted for this year's was 22 pounds...? I don't quite recall.

AllenGregoryIV 29-12-2013 19:00

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Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1318092)
The 2013 kitbot is listed at 26 pounds. I believe the information posted for this year's was 22 pounds...? I don't quite recall.

22 pounds is correct.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...c/kit-of-parts
Quote:

AndyMark Drive Base Kit (AM14U):

These are the items that go to teams that did not opt out of the KOP Drive System.
Checklist coming soon!
Size: 5.5" x 6.5" x 33"
Weight: 22 lbs
2014 Drive System User Guide (coming soon!)

Andrew Lawrence 29-12-2013 19:19

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Not sure if this is too useful, but the GDC posted on their Twitter a couple of hours ago:
Quote:

Nobody will guess the game name: 0 21 10 11 1_0 21 6 1 6 21 43 11_9 21 10 3 10 15. What that has to do with the name, we won't say!

Christopher149 29-12-2013 19:34

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They also posted that the underscores are spaces. Though, why is the GDC avatar a Lunacy trailer? And #allregolithallthetime (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23allr...ime&src=hash)?

Calvin Hartley 29-12-2013 19:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1318110)
Not sure if this is too useful, but the GDC posted on their Twitter a couple of hours ago:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1318126)
They also posted that the underscores are spaces. Though, why is the GDC avatar a Lunacy trailer? And #allregolithallthetime (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23allr...ime&src=hash)?

Am I the only one noticing that the account name is "Fake GDC"? I am sure that this is a hoax account, and is not at all intended to be taken seriously. I do not believe the real GDC would make an account titled "Fake GDC". Despite all of their crazy shenanigans, I still trust the GDC. I would not expect them to pose under a pseudo-fake account.

MikeE 29-12-2013 19:55

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@FakeGDC

Andrew Lawrence 29-12-2013 19:56

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Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley (Post 1318141)
Am I the only one noticing that the account name is "Fake GDC"? I am sure that this is a hoax account, and is not at all intended to be taken seriously. I do not believe the real GDC would make an account titled "Fake GDC". Despite all of their crazy shenanigans, I still trust the GDC. I would not expect them to pose under a pseudo-fake account.

They've posted legitimate stuff in the past. I'd throw out a guess saying it's a way to throw people off. If I were the GDC, I'd want to distribute information through both official and unofficial mediums. The question is legitimacy is the perfect veil to post legitimate information behind.

saikiranra 29-12-2013 20:12

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Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1318147)
They've posted legitimate stuff in the past. I'd throw out a guess saying it's a way to throw people off. If I were the GDC, I'd want to distribute information through both official and unofficial mediums. The question is legitimacy is the perfect veil to post legitimate information behind.

Andrew, who runs that account? :rolleyes:

Andrew Lawrence 29-12-2013 20:22

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Originally Posted by saikiranra (Post 1318160)
Andrew, who runs that account? :rolleyes:

I'd tell you if I knew. :P

MechEng83 29-12-2013 20:37

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can you imagine how convoluted the game hint could be if the GDC used 24 hours of the CD hive mind to come up with it?

moogboy 29-12-2013 21:03

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Originally Posted by MechEng83 (Post 1318169)
can you imagine how convoluted the game hint could be if the GDC used 24 hours of the CD hive mind to come up with it?

The CD hive mind is kind of like the English majors in this XKCD: http://xkcd.com/451/

Charlie2016 29-12-2013 21:32

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Going with the idea of baseball and the 25% weight reduction, going from a softball to a baseball is a 25% weight reduction.
A softball can range in size anywhere from 6.25 to 7 oz. The largest weight I found online was 7 oz.
A standard Major League Baseball weighs between 5 and 5.25 oz.
So if you take the largest possible size of the two balls, 7 and 5.25 oz. that is EXACTLY a 25% weight reduction.
So could this mean we must score both baseballs and softballs into goals? Or maybe we'll play baseball with specific softball rules? I'm not familiar with softball rules, they may be the same as baseball. Anyway... this is too much of a coincidence to just pass up.

rwkling1 29-12-2013 21:40

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Originally Posted by Charlie2016 (Post 1318179)
Going with the idea of baseball and the 25% weight reduction, going from a softball to a baseball is a 25% weight reduction.
A softball can range in size anywhere from 6.25 to 7 oz. The largest weight I found online was 7 oz.
A standard Major League Baseball weighs between 5 and 5.25 oz.
So if you take the largest possible size of the two balls, 7 and 5.25 oz. that is EXACTLY a 25% weight reduction.
So could this mean we must score both baseballs and softballs into goals? Or maybe we'll play baseball with specific softball rules? I'm not familiar with softball rules, they may be the same as baseball. Anyway... this is too much of a coincidence to just pass up.

I like that concept! Many rules about softball are the same with baseball, with some exceptions with leading off and some other rules. That's a very interesting concept, similar to FTC 2012-2013, where some rings were different weights.. Where we could have softballs and baseballs, where the baseballs have to go into one goal and softballs have to go into another

Jacob Bendicksen 29-12-2013 22:11

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Or perhaps softballs are the endgame but have special rules. I've followed baseball for a while and yeah, the rules don't differ very much except with regards to pitching (baseball is any way you want, softball has to be underhand) so maybe there's limits on how we can launch the balls?

rwkling1 29-12-2013 22:14

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Originally Posted by TheCascadeKid (Post 1318203)
Or perhaps softballs are the endgame but have special rules. I've followed baseball for a while and yeah, the rules don't differ very much except with regards to pitching (baseball is any way you want, softball has to be underhand) so maybe there's limits on how we can launch the balls?

What if the softballs have to be thrown with some sort of appendage? Instead of wheels..

Jacob Bendicksen 29-12-2013 22:36

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Throwing arms? Don't even start.

Lat Mac 29-12-2013 23:09

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What year was there a 90 pound weight limit? Going back to the discussion pages ago, they might be bringing back that game.

EricH 29-12-2013 23:38

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Originally Posted by Lat Mac (Post 1318221)
What year was there a 90 pound weight limit? Going back to the discussion pages ago, they might be bringing back that game.

There hasn't been one that low since at least 1996, possibly back to 1992. Not even the tallest robots in 2006 were that low (100 lb for a 6' maximum starting height).

Mohnster-Marie 30-12-2013 02:08

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After a lot of confusing math and research
I have a come to the idea that we may be playing water polo this year.

Many results showed water or things relating to water
There was also a few soccer relations

Not to mention the weird doctor who references, but my point is
I believe it's water polo
Anyone else getting this?

theCADguy 30-12-2013 10:27

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I found this on the Ri3d (robot in 3 days) Facebook page. It's basically the CD hive mind in a nutshell.

mrnoble 30-12-2013 10:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mohnster-Marie (Post 1318255)
After a lot of confusing math and research
I have a come to the idea that we may be playing water polo this year.

Many results showed water or things relating to water
There was also a few soccer relations

Not to mention the weird doctor who references, but my point is
I believe it's water polo
Anyone else getting this?

No. Sorry.

[martinskot] 30-12-2013 11:01

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In case anyone hasn't noticed, Andy Baker is playing baseball with a side of last year's kit bot (I Think) in his video from Ri3d. Game hint? It fits with some of the latest talk in this thread.

jlmcmchl 30-12-2013 11:18

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Originally Posted by [martinskot] (Post 1318287)
In case anyone hasn't noticed, Andy Baker is playing baseball with a side of last year's kit bot (I Think) in his video from Ri3d. Game hint? It fits with some of the latest talk in this thread.

Andy knows as much as anyone else in this thread about the next game; he's in the same group as all of us. If anything, it's him playing baseball, and that's it.

mechanica 30-12-2013 11:41

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Hey guys,

check out this link below; it offers a ton of analysis and it appears to be a "water game" (most likely not with real water). :D

http://lablayers.deviantart.com/jour...ndup-421735515

mrnoble 30-12-2013 11:43

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Originally Posted by jlmcmchl (Post 1318293)
Andy knows as much as anyone else in this thread about the next game; he's in the same group as all of us. If anything, it's him playing baseball, and that's it.

Are we sure this is correct? AndyMark designs, builds, tests, sells, and distributes game-specific materials for FRC. I think he, at minimum, knows about things such as size and weight restrictions, allowable motors, etc. His company would not survive a single build season if they stocked products based on a faulty guess about products.

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 11:48

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Originally Posted by mrnoble (Post 1318297)
Are we sure this is correct? AndyMark designs, builds, tests, sells, and distributes game-specific materials for FRC. I think he, at minimum, knows about things such as size and weight restrictions, allowable motors, etc. His company would not survive a single build season if they stocked products based on a faulty guess about products.

This is correct. I was told through a friend whos friend works for AndyMark, that they work with FIRST when it comes to the KOP and also some parts of the game. He does know more than we do.

mechanica 30-12-2013 11:48

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http://i.imgur.com/YjtI0ND.png

the fact of the sign saying that the weight limit is reduced tells us that we will have to create, or be in, a certain equilibrium with the game environment. it just might be a water game where we all have to float our robots ( we'll have to see how that works out). another idea going around is that it might be a lunar/moon based theme. I was thinking that the reduced weight would be required if we were being hanged from something, as if trying to simulate zero gravity. or the theme could be an underwater astronaut training facility (just throwing that out there).

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1318110)
Not sure if this is too useful, but the GDC posted on their Twitter a couple of hours ago:

What is the link for this? I beleive we have worn down this game hint, lets more on to figuring out the game name! If we can get it then we will (almost) know the game!

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 12:00

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0 21 10 11 1_0 21 6 1 6 21 43 11_9 21 10 3 10 15

Obviously numbers to letters wont work as there is a 43.

mrnoble 30-12-2013 12:02

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Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318299)
This is correct. I was told through a friend whos friend works for AndyMark, that they work with FIRST when it comes to the KOP and also some parts of the game. He does know more than we do.

I would venture to guess that they have a non-disclosure agreement like anyone else would; of course, they could always work in an exception that allows AndyMark or some particular representative to disclose pre-approved "spoilers" for the game. There are a gazillion examples of this happening with other companies to increase buzz on upcoming products.

And I think that's what's happening here.

mechanica 30-12-2013 12:09

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as of now, the best option to crack the code is to crack their system. I feel like this is a red herring, and well probably have to play some far out game that involves lots of crashing and lots of parts falling off.

sheesh, I feel like I'm in a real life da vinci code situation!

Andrew Lawrence 30-12-2013 12:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318302)
0 21 10 11 1_0 21 6 1 6 21 43 11_9 21 10 3 10 15

Obviously numbers to letters wont work as there is a 43.

I was thinking it may still be letters to numbers, but not necessarily in order. Maybe A=3, B=10, etc. They just want us to figure out a lettering pattern and come up with ideas from there.

mechanica 30-12-2013 12:14

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just noticed on the Nov. 25 photo, am I the only one that noticed that the red light on the upper left of the picture looks like it doesn't belong there? I mean, it's hanging from whatever it's attached to, and it's kinda throwing me off. (It may just be me because I have certain moments sometimes).

chrisfl 30-12-2013 12:14

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Did anyone notice that FIRST gave us the 2009 KOP on Solidworks? 2009 was the Lunacy challenge which we used the slick, hard plastic wheels on the plastic floor. The game must be Hockey or something like that. Using these wheels

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 12:37

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1318309)
I was thinking it may still be letters to numbers, but not necessarily in order. Maybe A=3, B=10, etc. They just want us to figure out a lettering pattern and come up with ideas from there.

Yes, I agree with that. I just meant the obvious A=1 ect. I should have been more specific.

sur 30-12-2013 13:24

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Well, I guess @FakeGDC really is fake.

Andrew Lawrence 30-12-2013 13:34

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Also FRC teams just posted this after @Fake_GDC asked them to: https://twitter.com/FRCTeams/status/417724461987536896

M. Lillis 30-12-2013 13:46

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Just to add to the weight theme that has been going around. Here is a tweet that @FRCTeams retweeted
https://twitter.com/andymarkinc/stat...99429071515648

It probably doesn't mean anything but if someone could find the difference in weight, maybe we can get somewhere.

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1318329)
Also FRC teams just posted this after @Fake_GDC asked them to: https://twitter.com/FRCTeams/status/417724461987536896

LETS DO IT!!!

First game hint we thought was so tame
It surely will point to the game
But so far no luck
CD's run amok
Much clearer is this one we claim

vanjan14 30-12-2013 13:49

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A separate thread has been created for hint #2
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=123822

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 13:52

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Just my first thought, this reminds me of hickory dickory dock with the structure. Maybe there is a clue with the beat structure?

TAlholm 30-12-2013 13:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318340)
Just my first thought, this reminds me of hickory dickory dock with the structure. Maybe there is a clue with the beat structure?

I agree with this.

vanjan14 30-12-2013 13:55

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A sepreate thread has been created to discuss hint #2:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=123822

Whippet 30-12-2013 14:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318340)
Just my first thought, this reminds me of hickory dickory dock with the structure. Maybe there is a clue with the beat structure?

This is a limerick. There are tons of poems using this exact rhyme and rhythm structure. We would have to be crazy to try to find something based on that.

But then again, this is Chief Delphi. We're all crazy here.

Derpancakes 30-12-2013 14:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318340)
Just my first thought, this reminds me of hickory dickory dock with the structure. Maybe there is a clue with the beat structure?

It's a limerick.

Derpancakes 30-12-2013 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sur (Post 1318325)
I converted the clue to
Code:

aifgb aidbdijg eifcfh
by assigning 'a' to 0, 'b' to 1, 'c' to 3, and so on for each of the numbers that appear. Then I put it into a substitution cipher solver, and some of the results that came up started with "grand gridiron." I found the Wikipedia article for gridiron football, but then none of the other solutions looked like the name of an FRC game.

"Grand Gridiron Fracas"? It fits with "CDs run amok."

sergioCorral842 30-12-2013 14:18

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FRC blogged that the first set of numbers might have been false.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...ame-Hint-Redux

Here are the new numbers: 61474:135, 12661:1963, 32662:15806

atucker4072 30-12-2013 14:19

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Has anyone thought that it making clear references to hockey and baseball may be a hint to the scoring element? Both hockey and baseball use what is basically a stick to hit an object to score. So maybe the element will be sticks? It It could be a similar to the FTC game Get Over It! That also satisfies the reusing idea...

Hallry 30-12-2013 14:24

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There has been an error in the game hint. The thread about the FRC Blog post regarding this can be found here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1318361

Josh Drake 30-12-2013 14:33

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So the order in which the number appears in the first number of the set doesn't matter as far as solving the hint, but the second number apparently does.

BleakRNS 30-12-2013 14:33

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Something to note:

61126 shifted 2 left becomes 12661 and 62326 shifted 2 left becomes 32662. This tells me it's a cipher and that these are not equations.

Edit: Seems like everyone else noticed it too.

bduddy 30-12-2013 14:33

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The first set of numbers was the "iffy" one [edit: not "presumably", that's what he said], because it has been entirely changed. For the other two, the order of the digits in the first number was changed, but '1963' and '15806' were not changed at all.

So, we know they're NOT:

-ZIP codes
-Ratios
-Coordinates

Zuelu562 30-12-2013 14:35

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Using the idea that the first number (EDIT: Of each pair) is a date, I searched June 14, 1974, December 6, 1961 (Could be January 26, '61 however), and March 26, 1962.

Those dates yielded some interesting results. June 14th '74 was the date Nolan Ryan stuck out 19 Red Sox in 12 innings. December 6, 1961 was the day the Heisman was awarded in that particular year. March 26 1962 was the birthday of several athletes, covering Baseball, basketball and soccer, and was the day the inventor of wax paper died.

January 26, 1961 (the alternative option to Dec 6 61) was the day Elvis Presley's hit "Are you lonesome tonight?" peaked to #1, and is the birthday of Hockey great Wayne Gretzky.

Lots of references to sports.

Flimsor 30-12-2013 14:35

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tondogone (Post 1318340)
Just my first thought, this reminds me of hickory dickory dock with the structure. Maybe there is a clue with the beat structure?

Probably not. This is just a limerick. It's a fairly common type of poem. Unless maybe the fact that they're using a limerick is something, but probably not.

bduddy 30-12-2013 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuelu562 (Post 1318379)
Using the idea that the first number is a date, I searched June 14, 1974, December 6, 1961 (Could be January 26, '61 however), and March 26, 1962.

Those dates yielded some interesting results. June 14th '74 was the date Nolan Ryan stuck out 19 Red Sox in 12 innings. December 6, 1961 was the day the Heisman was awarded in that particular year. March 26 1962 was the birthday of several athletes, covering Baseball, basketball and soccer, and was the day the inventor of wax paper died.

January 26, 1961 (the alternative option to Dec 6 61) was the day Elvis Presley's hit "Are you lonesome tonight?" peaked to #1, and is the birthday of Hockey great Wayne Gretzky.

Lots of references to sports.

EDIT: Misunderstood your post. Yeah, they're almost certainly dates. Good job!

Zuelu562 30-12-2013 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1318381)
This doesn't work at all with the first set of numbers, though.

I was referencing the first number of each pair.

saikiranra 30-12-2013 14:39

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99.99999999% sure this is not it, but if you divide the numbers, you get
455.362962963 6.44982170148 2.06643046944

If you make a date out of this, you get June 2nd, 445

The Vandals apparently sacked Rome on that date.

BleakRNS 30-12-2013 14:40

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The gif Frank posted is named 333.gif.

Hallry 30-12-2013 14:42

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If you search the first set of the updated numbers, 61474:135, on Google, you get an Aircraft Part:

Quote:

TRIPLE TACHYMETRIC INDICATOR, Part No. 61474-135-1
Source: http://www.aerosup.com/THALES-AVIONI...474-135-1.aspx

No hits for the second or third sets of the updated numbers, though.

coalhot 30-12-2013 14:42

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Like usual, everyone's over thinking this. Need to read the blog post again:

Quote:

Some folks on the GDC honestly thought the hint this year was going to be too easy.
If the GDC thought it was going to be easy, I think we should step back and try to solve the hint in the most simple method possible. We've had hints back in the day that were a lot harder to solve, and we solved them faster and more easily.

George1902 30-12-2013 14:47

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Steve Ralston, born 6-14-74, holds the MLS record for assists: 135.

Wayne Gretzky, born 1-26-61, holds NHL record for career assists: 1963.

John Stockton, born 3-26-62, holds the NBA assists record: 15806.

GCDelp 30-12-2013 14:49

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They also changed from using slashes to colons, claiming they formatted it to something we would recognize easier. And they used double 6's in each of the last pairs.

Zuelu562 30-12-2013 14:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George1902 (Post 1318390)
Wayne Gretzky holds the regular season record for career assists: 1963.

Ok. That's one of the most solid things we have. Lets go forward with this. Something to do with 135 on 6/14/74 and 15806 on 3/26/62

GCDelp 30-12-2013 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuelu562 (Post 1318394)
Ok. That's one of the most solid things we have. Lets go forward with this. Something to do with 135 on 6/14/74 and 15806 on 3/26/62

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ralston

Born on the June date, 135 career assists. I don't think this works too well though. He plays soccer.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockton

Born 3/26/62. 15,806 career assists in the NBA. Sounds like we have a pattern going.

Hallry 30-12-2013 14:54

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Suggestion: Continue the discussion of the updated game hint on that respective FRC Blog post thread. That way, people don't have to go through almost 800 replies of incorrect guesses and can start fresh with the new numbers. Thoughts?

Calvin Hartley 30-12-2013 14:55

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1318398)
Suggestion: Continue the discussion of the updated game hint on that respective FRC Blog post thread. That way, people don't have to go through almost 800 replies of incorrect guesses and can start fresh with the new numbers. Thoughts?

Agreed.

vanjan14 30-12-2013 15:00

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1318398)
Suggestion: Continue the discussion of the updated game hint on that respective FRC Blog post thread. That way, people don't have to go through almost 800 replies of incorrect guesses and can start fresh with the new numbers. Thoughts?

Best idea in this thread!

Anthony4004 30-12-2013 15:01

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1318398)
Suggestion: Continue the discussion of the updated game hint on that respective FRC Blog post thread. That way, people don't have to go through almost 800 replies of incorrect guesses and can start fresh with the new numbers. Thoughts?

Agreed. To the newer thread!!! *cue batman scene change music*:D

vanjan14 30-12-2013 15:06

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1318385)
If you search the first set of the updated numbers, 61474:135, on Google, you get an Aircraft Part:


Source: http://www.aerosup.com/THALES-AVIONI...474-135-1.aspx

No hits for the second or third sets of the updated numbers, though.

If you image search "TRIPLE TACHYMETRIC INDICATOR" you get pictures of 3-dial wrist watches.
https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=122&biw=1920&bih=954&tbm=isc h&sa=1&q=TRIPLE+TACHYMETRIC+INDICATOR&oq=TRIPLE+TA CHYMETRIC+INDICATOR&gs_l=img.3...2262.3369.0.4851. 2.2.0.0.0.0.63.109.2.2.0....0...1c.1.32.img..2.0.0 .h4p5gPHpzKc

RedViBritannia 30-12-2013 15:35

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Hey all! Sorry if any of this has been seen already, but a bunch of things just clicked in my head and I want to get them out

I knocked the ratios down to decimal numbers, and I got(assuming I did my math right):

455.36, 6.45, and 2.07

Since there are 3 numbers, they could not possibly be used for coordinates, so I had to think, 'what else could we use these decimal numbers for?'.

Then I saw the Dr Who image, so I started thinking about Tennant's run.

Then I thought about The Library. The Dewey Decimal System.

Looking up those numbers, this is the categories that they reference:

455.36: Basic Grammar, specifically, Italian (probably irrelevant, that last bit)

6.45 is acoustical pattern recognition, and the only classification in the DDS below that is Speech Recognition (!!!!!). Consider the new abilities of the Microsoft Kinect 2.0 (then again, it is built into the system so...)

2.07 was just meta-book stuff. Not sure what to make of it.

So there's that. I might be way off, but it's something at least, right?

Mirrus 30-12-2013 16:08

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
In the new numbers they kept the division of the numbers, you can express a division as / or : so this could be a kind of hint. :ahh:

Hallry 30-12-2013 16:43

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Again, please continue the discussion of the updated game hint on the updated Game Hint thread.

heisenburger 30-12-2013 16:45

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
61474:135, 12661:1963, 32662:15806

if we think of them as ratios and simplify them we get this.
1:455.3629, 1:6.4498, 1:2.0664

if we round we get
1:455, 1:6, 1:2

Those that ring a bell to anyone???

zacube 30-12-2013 17:29

Re: [FRC Blog] 2014 Game Hint
 
Listen to this person. The hint has already been figured out, most likely correctly, on the other thread, and it makes a lot more sense than any of the other guesses.
Edit: Well, figured out what the numbers mean. Not quite to the point of "Hint Solved" yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1318522)
Again, please continue the discussion of the updated game hint on the updated Game Hint thread.



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