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[FRC Blog] Kickoff Broadcast and Game Hint Redux
Posted on the FRC Blog, 12/30/13: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...ame-Hint-Redux
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Due to what will likely be game hint discussion in this thread, we should move this to the rumors subforum.
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Updated 2014 Game Hint
I happened to be on Facebook today and the first post that I saw was that FIRST updated their blog HERE today with info on Kickoff and the game hint. Here's what they said:
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Team 135 is the Black Knights, and team 1963 was PSC robotics. 135 is from Indiana, and 1963 was from England. No luck there. |
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I think that we already have a thread about this here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=123823. This thread can be closed/deleted.
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It's not funny to change the hint, they laugh from where they sit::ouch::
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I just want to point out that I'm relatively sure that that gif is from "Waters of Mars," the 2009 Dr. Who autumn special.
It takes place on Mars when a virus that creates water infects the first (human) martian colony. (edit: just realized it's from 2009) |
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Woot Woot, 135!
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Porting my (and George1902's) Findings to here:
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EDIT: Steve Ralston, Born June 14, 1974, is the all-time career leader in assists in the MLS at 135. 3 Sports references, all different sports, all have the "assist" as a tracked statistic. Something to do with assists methinks. |
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If you search the first set of the updated numbers, 61474:135, on Google, you get an Aircraft Part:
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No hits for the second or third sets of the updated numbers, though. |
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And to solve the unsolvable first clue...
Landon Donovan, born 3-4-82, holds the all-time US Soccer assists record: 57. |
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Now that we've figured out Assists is the clue, what can we infer about the game from "assists" or "assisting"?
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THREE sports. you have to build your robot to use only one of the three kinds of game pieces. you have to assist each other, and hopefully have one basketball, one soccer, and one hockey playing robot.
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So now that we realize the game has to do with assisting, time to speculate on what we're going to be assisting with. Assist the other team, maybe? Are we going to see coopertition points returning?
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I agree with GCDelp, and I definitely think George1902 is really on to something with this assist data:
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Assist = return of Coopertition. Boom. Done. (:P) |
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Return of the Coopertition bonus!:D
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I seriously think hint is solved. Sports(maybe) and assisting being a big part of it. GG.
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Angels' Nolan Ryan strikes out 19 Red Sox in 12 innings on 14th June 1974.
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That was easy, so assist
maybe a balancing bridge again.... |
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Well there we go. Hint solved in about 10 min. Nice. So how will this tie to the poem that was posted? Just to make sure we take in all angles, and better our chance of being correct.
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And yeah, coopertition sounds fun, but we still don't know too much about the true nature of the game. At least the GDC was kind to us! |
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According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist it seems as though assisting is a pass that results in scoring. Maybe we'll have to pass game pieces between robots in our alliance?
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All those sports also involve scoring their game pieces in a type of net. Just my additional 2 cents.
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SO we have the birth dates of:
Two Soccer all-time assist leaders: 2010 Game The basketball all-time assist leader: 2012 Game And the greatest hockey player/ all-time assist leader: 2014? Game The pattern would be over a two year gap. This is very simple and straightforward. The U.S. Men"s world cup soccer team will also be led by Donovan. The Winter Olympics are being held in 2014, and it is the 75 anniversary of American Hockey. Thanks George and GCDelp for pointing me in this direction. I am probably wrong though :) |
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Maybe there are different zones and there is a limit on how many robots can be in a zone at once. Robots would have to assist each other in scoring because they all can't score at once.
Or maybe the 2007 ramps are being brought back. |
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From Wikipedia
Several sports have a statistic known as an "assist", generally relating to action by a player leading to a score by another player on their team: Assist (basketball), a pass by a player that facilitates a basket by another Assist (ice hockey), a pass by a player or players that helps set up a goal Assist (football) (soccer), a pass by a player or players that helps set up a goal Assist in Australian rules football, the last pass by a player that directly helps set up a goal Assist (baseball), any touching of the ball by a defensive player after it has been hit by the batter and prior to the recording of a putout Assist in water polo, the last pass by a player that directly helps set up a goal Assist in ultimate, a pass by a player on which a goal is scored. Pass seems to be the key here. --Scott |
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Foosball
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Game name: Triple Assist.
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If "Pass" is the important word we may see something like Breakaway, where most teams will need to move the ball from their zone for their partner to score.
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Obviously this will be the game piece, combining Soccer balls and hockey pucks!
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Basketballs, soccer balls, and pucks (see 1999) have all been used in FRC games in the past. Perhaps we will see the return of one or all of these elements?
Never has an FRC game required robots to transfer scoring objects between them, probably because it's so difficult. In fact, instances where it has happened are remembered as epic (see the "A-bomb" of 2006 and 16's elegant assist 'bot of 2012). FRC games have had robots cooperating using their drive trains (climbing obstacles, balancing bridges, climbing and lifting each other). This is a more realistic type of assisting and one that I expect to see. |
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If you treat the numbers clues like letters, then maybe it WILL connect to the poem. |
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This could be the addition of a possible "offsides" penalty...
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I think the GDC is going to come out with a game that encourages/requires passing of game pieces between robots. This has been theoretically possible and beneficial in many previous games, but never really done to any great extent (except for autonomous in 2012, which isn't really the same thing...) I think it will be fun to see what they came up with.
(This probably also maintains the ball/not-ball pattern, because it's pretty hard to pass things that aren't balls...) |
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Aaaand just because it's ridiculous..
google images: limerick hockey There's an underwater hockey team in Limerick, Ireland. WATER GAME. |
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I'm assuming that assist is just a hint towards the general game (hockey or a combo of sports) and not a specific of the game. 2012 was called REBOUND rumble, and yet I don't remember any teams rebounding like they do in real basketball (catching it before it hits the ground). Due to basketball and soccer being recent games, I'm thinking Hockey.
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It be cool to see FIRST combine older games into a new game.Might be a ramp we have to climb on to and lift our teammates up for the endgame.The water bottles seem to resemble a ramp
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I'm just going to say that I'd prefer the game be about baseball rather than hockey simply due to the fact that balls are a lot easier to handle than pucks. Also pucks have been used in the past, plus the ball pattern. Baseball:D
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Though in some seriousness:
Going on the Hockey tangent, and the limerick: rhyming with assist yields twist. "twist assist" is a Dutch product for field hockey. It's sort of elongated bearing put around the stick. |
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Woody just posted this huge thing on coopertition for this year. thought id throw that out
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They seem to be stressing 3's a lot, as well as hockey and maybe Olympics.
What other sport is played on Ice, and has something to do with 3? Curling does! In curling the Third is in charge of helping with strategy at the end of the game. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...ling-team.html |
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I'll just leave this here...
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I think we have an advantage; our workspace is in a hockey arena. :D
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Hey all! Sorry if any of this has been seen already, but a bunch of things just clicked in my head and I want to get them out. Also, I had posted this in the other thread but saw that one was abandoned, sorry to repeat!
I knocked the ratios down to decimal numbers, and I got(assuming I did my math right): 455.36, 6.45, and 2.07 Since there are 3 numbers, they could not possibly be used for coordinates, so I had to think, 'what else could we use these decimal numbers for?'. Then I saw the Dr Who image, so I started thinking about Tennant's run. Then I thought about The Library. The Dewey Decimal System. Looking up those numbers, this is the categories that they reference: 455.36: Basic Grammar, specifically, Italian (probably irrelevant, that last bit) 6.45 is acoustical pattern recognition, and the only classification in the DDS below that is Speech Recognition (!!!!!). Consider the new abilities of the Microsoft Kinect 2.0 (then again, it is built into the system so...) 2.07 was just meta-book stuff. Not sure what to make of it. So there's that. I might be way off, but it's something at least, right? EDIT: Wow I'm way late to this party and off by about 400 miles. Solid work guys. |
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I think this is fitting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbRdDhYFGSw |
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What happened to the thread titled "[FRC Twitter] 2014 Game Hint 2" with a thread ID of 123822 ? It just up and vanished within the last hour. No signs of it being merged. Did I solve the poem correctly, and thus it was deleted? I put a considerable amount of time into my post, and ow it is gone. :( They're conspiring against us...
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Well if you consider the sport->no sport pattern it doesn't make since to be a sport (assuming ultimate Frisbee is a sport).
What if it is regolith with trailers again but you score on your OWN team's trailer. |
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It is possible that they could bring back the Regolith (or something similar), especially if it is a hockey game.
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"Well if you consider the sport->no sport pattern it doesn't make since to be a sport (assuming ultimate Frisbee is a sport).
What if it is regolith with trailers again but you score on your OWN team's trailer." honestly, they can do whatever they want. they don't have to follow any patterns |
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If it is a hockey game, 174 predicted the future and built a robot for 2014 last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJzqWTVHR7k |
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FRC is almost at the point of spectator sport. the games are becoming more "fun to watch" because the more interesting it is, the more people who want to get involved. I think this years game is going to take that to a whole new level.
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If FRC is the varsity sport for the mind, isn't every year a sport?
Game Hint Enthusiasts: 0 - GDC: 1 |
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I'd bet on ice hockey; the trend of assists and sports in the game hint have led us to this, and we still have 1963 in the game hint. We still have the 2009 Doctor Who clip, which was from a somewhat lunar-related challenge. I'm thinking ice hockey is the most likely simply because of the references that seem to point towards lunacy (ice surface?) and the trend in sports within the given hint.
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My guess: some sort of "the best of FRC" style game, alla 2004, where 2012's basketballs, 2010's soccer balls, and 2009's moon rocks are all game pieces.
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Could make the objects large enought that each trailer can hole like 2-3 and have a place on the ends where they can be dumped
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If you google, you find that Wayne Gretzky (a hockey player) holds the record for the most assists (1,963 total).
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May have nothing to do with physically assisting with a score or pass in the traditional sense but they might be planning something particular for Autonomous mode or the game itself that requires assistance from the camera or some other means rather than just suggesting it.
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All the dates and links to sports still don't explain the numbers after the colons in each of the 3 number sets...
Edit: Well, ok, so the numbers by themselves reference different things related to sports, but none are related, and they aren't related to the date they are paired with. |
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The colon implies relationship whereas the "/" made it a ratio |
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Wayne Gretzky, a hockey player born on 1/26/1961, holds the record for total assists made (1963 total).
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Air Hockey?
- with three zones, just like ice hockey - with three pucks; - with three teams on each alliance Air Hockey is great, because it's very fast paced. Maybe on teflon sheets? |
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Get it now, sorry for my slowness.
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Go to work for a few hours, and this is what happens.
Nice work, those of you who figured out the "assist" clue. I've been all pumped about trying to find ways to get our robot below 90 lbs this year; I guess that won't be a problem now (or will it?). I just hope they don't bring back the mandatory wheels! "Regolith" (or cheap bathroom panelling) was nasty, but more importantly, many of us gambled on not taking the KOP this year. If it's just about gear boxes and c-channel, fine, but if there is a MANDATORY part that we just won't have unless we order it (all at the same time, just like 2009), that will be hell. I'm still leaning toward baseball rather than hockey. And if it's hockey, may it be with carpet and a wheeled puck! I want to use Colsons! |
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Ignore post; It has been solved on page 1.
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Back to assists... what are ways that robots would assist each other to score?
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