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Canon reeves

05-01-2014 19:45

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there is the possible strategy of the midfield bot passing scoring bot then playing anti defense against any bots trying to interfere. I don't think it will be this organized though, it will be a big rush and coaches will have big role this year because the driver can't watch its alliance partners when it is defending? And what would be the strategy if say I am in the blue alliance and the my ball is in the red zone or white and my partners are trying to score and I have stopped the opponents ball and are playing good D on them and my alliance scores, would it be better to retrieve and assist? or continue to stop the ball?
These kinds of situations need to be thought out by drivers and discussed with alliance partners!

Canon reeves

05-01-2014 19:47

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Originally Posted by AndrewPospeshil (Post 1321768)

I understand the assist part; that seems to be the main focus of the game and I think it's a good one. It teaches teams to work together and communicate, brings elite teams a bit lower because they now rely on their teammates who could potentially be rookies. But at the same time it doesn't seem that aerial. Yeah balls are flying into goals, but how is that different from Rebound Rumble, Ultimate Ascent, etc. At least those challenges has some exciting game elements; UA has super fast flying frisbees launching across the court,RR was super action packed as well. But the main focus of this game, the assists, seems pretty boring imo. Assuming the average team will push balls, we get to see a lot of bashing and not much else. Because this is a more defense-oriented game, it leaves a lot to be desired in the "thrill" department; if you don't understand the game/aren't on a team, it seems pretty boring.

just my two cents but this game is pretty vanilla

I believe this will a super exciting game? The game is simple enough to were one bot can do it all, (except goalie), but it can't score high without assists? It means 3 decent bots can outscore one great bot. It will be a very complex simple game, allot of high speed collisions and driving, it will be so much more action packed than past games where each robot does their own thing and just score, this is a great game. just my opinion, no offense implied.

jtaffy

05-01-2014 20:00

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Originally Posted by *Rachelle* (Post 1321135)

Andymark's specs say the ball weighs 2.75 lbs. (but does not state if that is the inflated weight or not). Maybe your scale is off?
I have seen multiple people say the ball weighs 5 lbs. Where are you getting this information from?

I'm not sure how people think its supposed to be 5 lbs. Our uninflated ball is 2.75ish and inflated its like 2.8ish. We weighed on our scale just to make sure.

Canon reeves

05-01-2014 20:54

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can we start out in autonomous with our parts extended past bumper frame because we are loaded with a ball?

themccannman

05-01-2014 21:04

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Originally Posted by Canon reeves (Post 1321899)

can we start out in autonomous with our parts extended past bumper frame because we are loaded with a ball?

Read the manual.

cmrnpizzo14

05-01-2014 21:07

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Originally Posted by Canon reeves (Post 1321899)

can we start out in autonomous with our parts extended past bumper frame because we are loaded with a ball?

According to G4B it sounds like a no.

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G4 When placed on the FIELD, each ROBOT must be:
A. in compliance with all ROBOT rules (i.e. have passed Inspection),
B. confined to its STARTING CONFIGURATION,
C. entirely within their GOALIE ZONE, or entirely within the white ZONE and between the TRUSS and their GOALS, and
D. fully supported by the floor.

Gog	05-01-2014 21:16

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I like it!
I like how FIRST is incorporating more and more of team work rather than three robots just having the same colour.

chiefwebmaster

05-01-2014 21:22

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Another possible use of the height extension while in the goalie zone could be to actually launch the ball. Like this except with a smaller arm. Just because you are in the goalie zone doesn't necessarily mean you have to be on defense. You could use it for you scoring mechanism.

GaryVoshol

05-01-2014 21:24

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Originally Posted by chiefwebmaster (Post 1321931)

Except you're in the GOALIE ZONE at the wrong end of the FIELD.

CreativeName55

05-01-2014 22:33

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Does anyone happen to know where the robots can start the match? Is there a line or something similar in the white zone they must start on, or do they start anywhere within the white zone? Same question applies to starting in the goalie zone.

Canon reeves

05-01-2014 22:40

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From what I've read you can go anywhere in white or your goalie. Anybody got and other strategies other than my zone one?

mandy8candy

05-01-2014 22:42

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Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1320182)

No end game. Interesting.

I think they might add one later?

mandy8candy

05-01-2014 22:45

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I think the game sounds interesting. I read the manual, and I have one question. Can a "dead" robot possess a ball?

Annemarie433

05-01-2014 22:53

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Originally Posted by marcusb258 (Post 1320432)

Our team heard that at 4pm we would be able to order the balls from FIRST Choice but when we go on their website, the balls arent there. Anyone have an answer or the same problem?

Thanks and good luck teams!!! :] :]

Andy Mark sells them! There is a link floating around here somewhere.

jax1198

06-01-2014 00:06

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Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1321120)

The defense against such a two ball auto mode is to park a tall defensive bot in their shot line before the match. Rather than being useless, that appendage now becomes worth 35 points. (Unless the shooter has the ability to sense the blocker and rotate to shoot around the appendage.)

I feel like there might be teams that place a goalie in front of one robot to block them during auto. In response, the scoring team moves their robot out of the way. Then, the goalie gets moved back into the way, and so on.

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