Originally Posted by Shockwave527 (Post 1322701)

This game definitely reminds me of the kinds you might play as a kid in order to get everyone included. "You must pass the basketball to every player before you can shoot." I'm sure people have done things like this. While I'm all in favor of being inclusive and I know that's a good thing especially after last year's game was so difficult, it seems that this is, as you say, taking things a bit too far. While this does help the rookie teams to get to do something, the higher teams who have worked hard to become really good are hampered by the fact that they can't handle the whole thing if necessary. I foresee a lot of problems in the first few rounds of regionals if 2 bots are dead in one alliance.

Oh well, it should still be very fun an interesting.

Originally Posted by Shockwave527 (Post 1322701)

This game definitely reminds me of the kinds you might play as a kid in order to get everyone included. "You must pass the basketball to every player before you can shoot." I'm sure people have done things like this.

Originally Posted by ErvinI (Post 1322917)

I'm hoping I am terribly wrong, but it looks like this year will be even worse than 2012 when it comes to teams sabotaging alliance members to reduce their rankings. All you need is one team holding onto their ball after autonomous, and the whole alliance is relegated to a maximum of 50 points, even if the other two teams are the best teams in the world. If nothing is gained in auto but driving points, then the maximum becomes 30 points.

Of course, you could force the team to drop the ball, but things will still end up being a bit ugly.

Very un-GP? Yes, but what can you do at this moment without a rule change?

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1323051)

Oh man... I hadn't even considered this possibility.

I would agree that intentionally throwing matches is so far down the un-GP road that nobody should be considering it.

Originally Posted by Dragonking (Post 1323440)

After a couple days I realized that this game most closely resembles volleyball. You aren't required to pass to your teammates but you gain an advantage when you do. A maximum of 3 players can gain possession- the last player is the one scoring. The truss is similar to the net in volleyball.

Originally Posted by ErvinI (Post 1322917)

I'm hoping I am terribly wrong, but it looks like this year will be even worse than 2012 when it comes to teams sabotaging alliance members to reduce their rankings. All you need is one team holding onto their ball after autonomous, and the whole alliance is relegated to a maximum of 50 points, even if the other two teams are the best teams in the world. If nothing is gained in auto but driving points, then the maximum becomes 30 points.

Of course, you could force the team to drop the ball, but things will still end up being a bit ugly.

Very un-GP? Yes, but what can you do at this moment without a rule change?

Originally Posted by Game Manual Update

We've received questions about how a MATCH will proceed if a BALL gets stuck on or in a ROBOT or on the TRUSS. We are in the process of refining the process and are incorporating feedback from Chief volunteers to identify the cleanest solution.

Originally Posted by taschneide (Post 1325141)

Well, the Game Manual update on Jan. 7th cleared up... absolutely nothing.

http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/Updates/0

Originally Posted by YonkeDonk3277 (Post 1331675)

I have a question regarding rule " 4.1.3 R3 Letter B) a robot may not extend more than 20in. beyond the FRAME PERIMETER( Fig. 4-2) " with this description and the diagram shown it appears that you can have multiple apendages extending from your bot in different directions, each extending 20in.. Is this a correct intrepretation?::rtm::

Originally Posted by markmcgary (Post 1331676)

Yes. See Q1 and Q11.