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Joshua25801 04-01-2014 12:00
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1320180)
So, whatcha think?!?
Do you know the weight of the game ball this year?

Steven Donow 04-01-2014 12:01
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mollyjane14 (Post 1320238)
The assist situation is interesting... I'm wondering if a pass still counts as an assist if it were bounced or rolled? Didn't see anything in the manual about that :confused:
Assists are defined as possessing the ball, and possession is defined as, per G12:

Quote:
An ALLIANCE may not POSSESS their opponent’s BALLS. The following criteria define POSSESSION :
A) “carrying” (moving while supporting BALLS in or on the ROBOT),
B) “herding” (repeated pushing or bumping),
C) “launching” (impelling BALLS to a desired location or direction), and
D) “trapping” (overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them).

kk_4849 04-01-2014 12:10
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
What is the weight of the game ball? I can't find it in the manual.

The Trooper 04-01-2014 12:13
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
About 4 of us have asked now, for those of you quoting the rule book, could you please help us out with a password? :)

Joshua25801 04-01-2014 12:14
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Trooper (Post 1320249)
About 4 of us have asked now, for those of you quoting the rule book, could you please help us out with a password? :)
3Zone2Goals1Alliance!

The Trooper 04-01-2014 12:17
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua25801 (Post 1320250)
3Zone2Goals1Alliance!
Much appreciated Joshua! Thank you!

Joshua25801 04-01-2014 12:19
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Trooper (Post 1320251)
Much appreciated Joshua! Thank you!
no problem

rkoripalli 04-01-2014 12:23
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
If an alliance were to have 3 assists and then a robot from the opposing alliance were to block the shot, and then the offensive robot picked up the ball and made it does the offensive alliance still get the assist points?

StatusAnalysis 04-01-2014 12:24
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
So basically Overdrive+Breakaway+Ultimate Ascent= Aerial Assist?::rtm::

ElfMaster 04-01-2014 12:26
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
So... can you get the points for the truss + catch without getting it into the goal?

maths222 04-01-2014 12:26
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
AndyMark is selling the balls: red and blue

Bryan Herbst 04-01-2014 12:29
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElfMaster (Post 1320263)
So... can you get the points for the truss + catch without getting it into the goal?
Yes. The scoring table on page 1 shows catch and truss points as being distinct from the goal points, whereas assists are dependent on getting the ball into the goal.

EDIT: Perhaps not. Depends on your interpretation of 3.1.4:

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Points are awarded once per CYCLE for BALLS SCORED by ROBOTS in the GOALS, BALLS SCORED by ROBOTS over the TRUSS, and for each ROBOT CATCH. Additional points are credited to an ALLIANCE upon each GOAL based on the number of ASSISTS earned by the ALLIANCE for that CYCLE.
Good QA question.

cgmv123 04-01-2014 12:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by maths222 (Post 1320264)
AndyMark is selling the balls: http://www.andymark.com/FRC-2014-p/am-2720.htm
They do not appear to be available in FIRST Choice at this time.

jp1247 04-01-2014 12:31
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
Neat game, interesting there's no endgame...

Though, it may just be me, it seems that there is no point to the lower goals. Every team (assumption, though a fairly good one I'd say) is going to at least AIM for getting the high goals. Since there can only be one ball in play (correct me) the alliance wants full assist points, and the top points. I feel like this puts pressure onto teams to build something capable of getting the top goal. I could be missing some element here, but I think this takes away the specialized robot. Every robot has to be able to do everything because who knows what teams are on your alliance.

My $.02. I really hope someone can prove me wrong here. (In a professional manner of course :D )

thegem811 04-01-2014 12:46
Re: Aerial Assist Discussion Thread
 
If a ball is thrown out of play after collecting assists, when the ball is brought back into play, are the assists reset, or do you just have to score the ball?


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