Not doing autonmous
 

Could not doing autonomous to get a triple assist and get in the high goal . . . rather than an autonmous lower goal. . . please calculate :). Also, would it be legal cause how does the scoreboard (lights) recognize 2 even 3 different assist build-ups???

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You cannot get a assist from an autonomous ball because a cycle starts only after a ball from the pedestal is put into play

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much thanks!!! next thought. . . use our balls as a defensive mechanicms to push their balls

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Could you please rephrase and post again? Your post doesn't seem to be clear. Thanks.

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3.14 scoring discusses this

Points are awarded once per CYCLE for BALLS SCORED by ROBOTS in the GOALS, BALLS SCORED by ROBOTS
over the TRUSS, and for each ROBOT CATCH. Additional points are credited to an ALLIANCE upon each GOAL
based on the number of ASSISTS earned by the ALLIANCE for that CYCLE.

A CYCLE is the series of events that recur regularly, and each CYCLE begins with an ALLIANCE member retrieving
their BALL from their lit PEDESTAL and ends when the BALL is SCORED in a GOAL. Major events in a CYCLE are
depicted in Figure 3-1.



the balls in auto arent part of a cycle. they diddnt start on the pedestal, so there can be no assists, or truss or catch bonus applied to them

image is all weird, gonna try to fix.
there much better.

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The rules about touching the other teams balls are very dangerous.

G12
An ALLIANCE may not POSSESS their opponent’s BALLS. The following criteria define POSSESSION :

“carrying” (moving while supporting BALLS in or on the ROBOT),
“herding” (repeated pushing or bumping),
“launching” (impelling BALLS to a desired location or direction), and
“trapping” (overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them).

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL per instance.


I would consider that herding and it may result in you causing great harm to your alliance's scores.

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By this do you mean firing your ball at the other alliance in auto to somehow disrupt their shots? Huh...didn't think of that.

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I suggest the following website: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/ ::rtm:: . It will be your friend. Look here often for team updates in the following days and weeks.

The FRC Q&A site is the single source for official answers from the Game Design Committee (GDC).

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I will throw this out there. There is a scenario where skipping autonomous to go for the 3 assist may be advantageous and legal.

http://www.patriots.com/media-center...b-d3dbf0d16209

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Most people posting in CD have already looked in the rules and could not find it themselves - that is why they post it here.

Also in reply to the original question on using the ball defensively, I think you might be breaking this rule:

Re: Not doing autonmous
 

Nah...using the BALL wouldn't be a G28 violation as the BALL isn't an element of the ROBOT.

Using the ball herd your opponents ball seems to fall under herding. Of course, you should try to herd a ball with a ball before deciding on this strategy. Keep in mind that contact that isn't herding (like a robot form of a slide tackle) appears to be perfectly legal as the rules appear today.

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I have also pondered throwing the ball at other robots during autonomous. It could deal some potential damage to their scores, and appears perfectly legal as far as I've seen.

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There you are potentially running afoul of G27:

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G27 is a Robot-Robot interaction rule. A ball is not a robot.

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We are not going to do that. While it is a valid strategy, I think it would be a stupid decision to waste the autonomous points to potentially stop someone else from scoring, especially when we can just make sure that our points cancel theirs (getting as many in autonomous as possible).
And Jee7, I was not saying tipping bots by launching balls at them, I meant shooting the balls to change their positioning on the field. I also did not mean to damage them, but to damage or hurt their scores. It was poorly worded. My fault.