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WaterClaw 14-01-2014 17:49

Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
After seeing so many threads on shooting mechanisms, I think we're not paying enough attention to the real problem of how to ACQUIRE these two foot balls. Though shooting these things seems really cool, how are you going to get the points for assisting if you can't retrieve the ball in the first place? I think we're forgetting the point, which is getting the robots to work with each other and pass the balls from one to the next.

With this in mind, does anyone have any good ideas for PICKING THESE MAMMOTHS UP? Granted ideas will be out there, however I feel that's what the focus should really be on.

Link07 14-01-2014 18:00

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
Just because you don't see threads about it on CD doesn't mean teams aren't focusing on it.

WaterClaw 14-01-2014 18:03

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1327184)
Just because you don't see threads about it on CD doesn't mean teams aren't focusing on it.

Granted. However I still think people should be sharing ideas on pickup systems seeing as they will be more alliance oriented than whether or not you can lob one of these suckers. I feel it would be more valuable to learn what we can use to work WITH other robots as a pose to against. Passing is working with. Admiring firing systems to try and work out how you might block them is against.

Walter Deitzler 14-01-2014 18:08

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Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS7iPmBN-GA

WaterClaw 14-01-2014 18:09

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Originally Posted by LedLover96 (Post 1327187)

Nice. Very nice.

Nathan Rossi 14-01-2014 18:10

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
Easy, just use this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atUUjSLMSiM&t=0m30s

Ether 14-01-2014 18:11

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by WaterClaw (Post 1327172)
does anyone have any good ideas for PICKING THESE MAMMOTHS UP?

el Toro



Sparkyshires 14-01-2014 18:12

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
Our team agreed completely, however we realized that you can't design your intake unless you know what type of shooter, so that was our reasoning as to prototype shooters first.

WaterClaw 14-01-2014 18:14

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1327193)

That's a very good pick up system. I especially like the one-bot Truss throw.

Dgk518 14-01-2014 18:14

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by WaterClaw (Post 1327172)
... I think we're not paying enough attention to the real problem of how to ACQUIRE these two foot balls.

As discussed in earlier threads the "problem" isn't so much acquiring the ball as it is possessing. This includes controlling the ball, therefore i don't think many teams will spend as much time on their passing acquisition as some may believe. Not saying we aren't...

AllenGregoryIV 14-01-2014 18:15

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We've posted several on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcDMokRtLjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srN0vM0xNFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jkzTCaFFw

WaterClaw 14-01-2014 18:16

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1327200)

Thanks!

WaterClaw 14-01-2014 18:22

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by Dgk518 (Post 1327199)
As discussed in earlier threads the "problem" isn't so much acquiring the ball as it is possessing. This includes controlling the ball, therefore i don't think many teams will spend as much time on their passing acquisition as some may believe. Not saying we aren't...

The point of Aerial Assist is assisting. I don't think that we should just write off the intention of the game being passing oriented.

However I'm not saying anyone is, I am simply stating we shouldn't.

Now, if passing were to be out of the question, then this game would be heavily defensive seeing as each has only one field element a piece to work with. Running interference would be more than tempting if this is the case.

JesseK 14-01-2014 19:11

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
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Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1327200)
We've posted several on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jkzTCaFFw

You may be on to something with this last link. It can handle all levels of squish!

At first, my personal favorite pickup from Ri3D/BB was JVN's due to overall robustness, quality & versatility (really like the side rollers). After my team did our own prototyping, O-Ryan's became my favorite for quite a few reasons.

The one my team is designing is quite compact, has built-in redundancy, and has built-in dual-purposing. We prototyped a couple of critical dimensions on Saturday and I've been off to the races in CAD since then. Luckily we have leftover COTS parts from last year so the only thing we're really waiting on is the right gearing & the Banebot wheels. We aren't releasing a video of it because ... well, to be honest the final product isn't built.

bduddy 14-01-2014 20:04

Re: Something Is Being Overlooked People
 
The real thing people are missing is the opposite of what you're saying. It is as follows: You don't need to acquire the ball to assist!!! All you need to do is impel, i.e. push, the ball. Too many teams will miss out on easy points because they don't realize this...


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