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Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
FIRST Robotics Canada is pleased to be working with Crescent school
and team 610 to execute the GTR West event this year. It will be taking place from Friday Feb 28 to Sunday March 2, 2014. The event will host 30 teams and promises to be an action packed display of fantastic robots and teams. While we would love to have additional spectators at the event, due to space and parking limitations this will be a PARTICIPATING TEAM ONLY event. Only the 30 teams registered for this event will be able to attend. Each participating team will have a limited number of team attendees. Any other visitors will not be allowed into the venue due to safety and fire regulations. FIRST Canada would ask that unless you are on a team and have a wrist band assigned from the team as part of their allocation, that you do not come to view the event in person as you will not get in. Instead we ask that you watch the webcast at www.watchfirstnow.ca Thank you for your understanding, and please do plan to attend in person any of the other FRC Ontario events listed below: Week 2 - University of Ontario Institute of Technology and Durham College (GTR East) Week 4 - University of Waterloo (Waterloo Regional) Week 5 - University of Nipissing (North Bay Regional) Week 6 - University of Windsor (Windsor-Essex Regional) |
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I'm not going to the event, but I will be watching.
It doesn't sound optimal to not have any spectators, but thank you for getting this out in the open quickly and publicly. Always best to be up front about things like this. |
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I certainly hope the webcast is high quality.
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I hope no kids or parents or anything like that are forced to not attend their own robot's competition, because of the individual team limitation. I get limiting public attendance, but if you had a part in building a robot, even it means sitting on the floor, you should be permitted to watch your team play.
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I wonder how they'll manage that. Because our team certainly has a lot of people who come to our regionals and represent us but aren't necessarily on our team anymore/never were. Like, at what point is someone on a team?
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As a result, the event coordinators probably don't need to worry about what constitutes being a team member; that issue is for the teams leadership to solve. |
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That sounds... pretty terrible. Didn't GTR West used to be a pretty big event? If I was part of a team where all members, mentors, and parents would not be able to attend, I would be quite upset... especially considering that there doesn't seem to have been any notification before now, in the middle of the build season...
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Dang. A couple friends and I were planning a trip up there to see the action and catch up with some friends, but I guess that's on the backburner now :(
It's unfortunate that GTRW doesn't have the capacity to allow even full team attendance. It's awesome that 610 and Crescent are hosting the event, though. It should still be amazing and we will definitely be tuning in via webcast. Good luck to all the teams attending! |
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I'm sure it was a very difficult decision to do it this way. I was talking with one of the event organizers (go 610!) earlier this year and he was very concerned. High schools aren't in Canada aren't generally as big as the ones we have done in the states, and they were extremely limited in their available choices for the venue.
That said, in true 'Firster' fashion, they are doing the best they can and moving forward. |
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Thanks everyone for showing interest in this event! The webcast will be very good and we have a great list of teams competing. We do have a process of wrist bands for entry and team members can swap the wrist bands with anyone from their team: parents, mentors, students, etc.
It was important for us to inform the FIRST community of the limited capacity as we do not want to have someone make a trip here only to be turned away. We also have a large school building adjacent to the competition building where we will have additional, but restricted space for team representatives, a scouting centre, live feed video screens, and great food! We want everyone to know that we are working very hard to make this an amazing event, which included not allowing Karthik to sing at this event. Go Teams! |
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Seeing as I have a roll in the webcast, can we agree that the full field fisheye shot is the preferred camera setup?
fisheye vs. traditional Unfourtunatly the broadcast aspect ratio will likely be 4:3 because of the projection screen in the Crescent theatre. |
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This set up also gives the opportunity for the audio/commentary to match the screen. Nothing worse than hearing the anouncer talk about an awesome play while the video is showing a stranded turtle impression. |
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Adam/Watchfirstnow is providing us with 2 streaming setups. One will be playing the traditional overhead feed and one will play the fisheye feed. I would recommend watching the fisheye one because while both webcasts are 720p the input from the traditional feed is 480p. What you are asking is possible but requires 2 additional cameras, 2 additional capture devices, and additional field-side clutter. (We toyed with the idea of additional cameras and joked about mounting GoPros inside the truss facing each direction.) |
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Hi John,
We all need to thank 610 for stepping up to the plate and allowing all the local Toronto teams to us the Crecent school venue. You indicated that the event will run from Friday to SUNDAY, so has the event format changed from the Thursday to Saturday format? Would you please provide more on the schedule if running Fri-Sun. thanks |
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Hats off to Crescent School for hosting the GTA West FRC. l think that Saturday and Sunday are the perfect days for the competition.
Good Luck to all. |
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Yes, the event has a unique schedule allowing us to start late on Friday and to run through Saturday and Sunday. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I suspect that it will be good! We expect the actual event to be amazing :D
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Thanks everyone who commented in this thread.
Crescent and Team 610 have been working hard with FIRST Robotics Canada to make this event one of the best regionals in all of FIRST. It was unfortunate that the Hershey Centre was not available to host the GTRW this year, but thanks to the hard work of a lot of people behind the scenes, we were able to find a last-minute alternate venue for the GTRW in our school's Field House. Although Crescent and Team 610 have a "large" presence in the Robotics community, we are actually a very small school. Our Upper School (Grades 9 to 12) has less than 400 students! Most people are very surprised to hear we are this small. We are certainly punching well above our weight class in hosting an FRC Regional while still fielding a team to compete in it. But thanks to all the volunteers involved, we know that the event will be one of the best ever. Speaking of volunteers, we are always looking for more excellent volunteers to help our event run! You can sign up on online via VIMS here: https://my.usfirst.org/FIRSTPortal/L...IMS_Login.aspx And in addition, we could always use a few non-event volunteers to help us clear the Field House before the event, and restore it afterwards! We have Crescent teachers who've graciously volunteered to come in between their classes to help do this, but we could always use more hands! More information is available in the link below. Volunteering for clearing or restoring the Field House won't get you in during the event, however - you'll still need to volunteer for an actual EVENT volunteer position above via VIMS if you want to be able to get in to watch the event. Why not volunteer for both? :D http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=125567 |
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A live feed of the setup for GTR West has started. It will run today and tomorrow. You can check it out at http://www.watchfirstnow.com/live/3
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We needed to reboot the machine to get other stuff running. Don't worry you didn't miss anything the bleachers still aren't assembled.
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No. Moving the internet drop to the scorers table took priority.
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There will be webcast for the entire weekend. The camera setup is currently in the corner to show as much of the fieldhouse as possible and to keep it out of the way. Once the field is finished the camera will move to the scorers table where the internet connection has been moved to. I didn't realise the interest field construction generated, and will try to keep it uninterrupted for the rest of the day.
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Thanks for running the webcast! Excited to see this weekend. |
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Are the webcasts suppose to be working for todays event? Thanks Cullen |
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Duncan? Are you doing something that keeps making the feeds go up and down, or is the internet connection there just flaky?
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Ok for once I'm asking for input. How stable have the webcasts been for the last 2 hours? I know before that it was terrible.
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Duncan, I have both up and they were good for that last practice match (610 looking good :)). I'll let you know if I see any issues.
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They've improved. They were quite unstable before that.
They seem to have gotten more stable around the same time the field started working. |
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They've been down any time I've tried to watch. Not sure if the problem is on my end or what. All the others via Blue Alliance are working though.
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Same here. Dropped out about 45min ago, just as 4343 was about to have a practice match.
EDIT: Speak of the devil, Feed 1 just came back.... aaaaand its gone again. |
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yea they are working hard on it, trying to get them back up and stable. look like stream 1 is back up.
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Here's a Ustream feed that hopefully will work better: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frcgtrw
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Keep up the good work Duncan!
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Feed looks great. Thanks for all your hard work, very appreciated!!!
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Hi everyone,
I must apologize for the inconstancy in the webcast today. It was not at all to the standards that we (WatchFirstNow) strive for. With that said. This is week one, today was practice day, the broadcast equipment is less then 2 weeks old and I am 19 hours away at the palmetto regional. so please bear with us. Duncan and Mr. Lim are working hard to try and make sure everything stays up and running. Matches from this event will be archived early next week. Best of luck to everyone attending the event. And please enjoy the webcast tomorrow. - Bochek |
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Since 2009 we go to watch match at GRTW to validate scouting and strategy. This year we rent 2 rooms for 2 nights and drive 8 hours to find out that we won't be able to enter the site to see matchs.
It has been a waste of time and money that we won't forget. it's unnacceptable that we were not advice in advance. |
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I'm not sure what else you would have liked from them. It was announced on CD and on FIRST Robotics Canada's website.
People have been commenting on how crescent school isn't really big enough since it was announced as a venue. Also: since 2009, GTR (renamed to GTR West in 2011) has been the last FIRST regional of the season in Canada. I highly doubt you were using it to pilot strategies. In 2012, GTR East was formed in Oshawa as a Week 2 event (the first event of the year in Canada) |
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Does the webcast lag sometimes for anyone else?
Thanks Cullen |
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If your experiancing any lag on the webcast, try turning down the quality in the bottom right corner. we are broadcasting at full 720p and many internet connections can't handle that bandwidth.
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The good thing is that the webcasts are streaming great in HD today. |
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The MatchResults and Standing are not working on usfirst.org. Just a FYI
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A problem I don't really understand, since the WFN streaming box pushing two 720p signals to the internet was literally sitting on the scoring table. |
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The FMS is extremely picky when it comes to internet connections for some reason. If it doesn't connect to the FRC main server thingy (which I think is new this year), it gets all unhappy.
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My kingdom for an FRC field that just works every time, and an FRC game that refs can actually score correctly. I wish we could go back to the IFI radio days. I don't remember a single match held up by a communication issue that wasn't a forgotten radio cable or similar.
This game is one I actually don't blame the refs for their poor performance on. The game design makes it impossible for 4 refs plus 1 head ref to watch 6 robots, 6 human players, and 2-6 balls for the litany of fouls and still expect them to be able to score assists properly. |
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In case other people haven't checked in a while, the standings and match results are up now for me.
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Webcast went down for this regional? Does anyone else experience this?
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Matches are also paused
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Okay, Thanks for the update Duncan!
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For those keeping track at home. If 1310 wins they lock first seed. A 1310 loss and 1241 win will put 1241 first on assists. Interesting last two matches
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Were the alliance picking done already?
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The FIRST Canada website only posted it on January 30th. When every FRC event in the history of the program has been open to the public, it is unreasonable to expect that the casual spectator would go to the FRC website, find the GTR-W regional, look for site info (which is not available and could have had a warning that people cannot come watch), still not see anything out of the ordinary, and then click through (but only after January 30th!) to the FIRST Canada website to find that it is not open to the public. I think he, friends and family, and anyone else who wanted to come have every right to be pissed off. |
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The teams going didn't find out until Jan 30 either. |
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I guess we can all be thankful for even having the GTRW event at ALL. If Crescent school had not allowed FIRST to use the field house as the host site it event may not have happened at all :ahh:
To those that where not allowed in I hope you can understand the reasons why numbers had to be held down. I just hope there are lots of youtube videos as the finials where exciting and for the entire match there was only one, count it. just one truss catch. |
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Will 610 post a recording of the regional? WatchFIRSTnow as great as they are won't have the archives posted until later this week and a recording even in raw format would be great.
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The people behind WFN are surprisingly quick about it. Last year they posted several matches within minutes of them happening. I would expect by mid week they'll have them up. The main person behind WFN was competing at Palmetto this weekend in South Carolina while GTRW was being covered by them.
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The event took place in a domed field house; therefore, the organizers had to place a restriction on the number of people in the dome (I'm sure I don't have to explain this). If you bring too many people, Crescent is an amazing looking school with a comfortable theater room that was set up for people to watch the game in HD. Nobody was told to go back home. I'm sure if Crescent could, they would have allowed everyone in. I also saw groups of visitors in the dome with with volunteers guiding them, and explaining the game. |
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The unsplit archive for the full-field feed for eliminations can be found here:
http://www.justin.tv/watchfirstnow2/b/507688418 The elims start around 1:54:00. |
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Thanks goes to the many volunteers that worked long hours to make this event happen. Without Crescent and their work GTRWest would not have happened. We needed a week one event in Canada. Hershey Center was not available. They looked all summer to find a venue but nothing available. crescent was approached and agreed. It disrupted the school but they were very garacious about it. Parking was also an issue as there was not much onsite parking. Walking from other schools around and a shuttle on Friday.
What many do not realize is that Crescent is not a large school. They are Grade 3 (I believe) to Grade 12. Their upper school (high school) is about 300 students. I have been to events held in U.S. high schools that are huge. In Canada our HS are much much smaller and don't have the same facilities as the U.S. HS's that hold FIRST events. Again I would like to thank the planning committee for their hard work and commitment in making this such a great event. |
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Crescent certainly did a good job hosting the event with the resources they had. There were a couple of minor issues, but nothing out of the ordinary for a first FIRST event in a new venue. It was *almost* as good as we could have hoped for. IMO, Cory is right, FIRST HQ dropped the ball by not making it well known that the venue was going to be controlled access.
The only big thing that I found irritating at the event was the field failures, and the issue of the field not posting results to the web (so tools like FRC Spyder, and even just looking at the rankings) were made difficult. I don't know if this was related to the field problems or not. An FTA told me it was because the field had no internet connection, which seemed odd, given that two 720p streams were being pushed from the same table with seemingly little in the way of connectivity issues. I don't believe the field issues were in any way related to Crescent's running of the event though. The field seemed to have an issue at the end of qualifications with the ref tablets and pedestals not lighting. One tablet was replaced, and a match fog horned and replayed twice because of these issues. |
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First week event and field issues what do you expect. As for not posting results it was because the internet was not on the FMS. I was there till 1 am Friday morning (18 hours at venue) back at 6:30 am and worked with FIRSTto try and resolve the issue. I was one of 6 or 7 that was working on internet and field issues.
Instead of everyone complaining about this minor issue or that inconvenience maybe the GP thing to do is herald a great event in which teams worked together, rebuilt robots and had had a great time. I have been to other week one events that were not even close to the quality of GTR West. |
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With all due respect, Steve, I believe that a significant part of professionalism is acknowledging where we fell short and encouraging constructive discussion about how we can do better in the future.
Sitting around singing kumbaya never got problems fixed. As part of FIRST competitions in Canada for the last 12 years, I'm well aware, and appreciative of your contributions. I know you are something of an expert when it comes to field internet connectivity issues, and had assumed you were helping with them. However, when the field is so broken that matches couldn't be run and the standings couldnt be viewed even in the pits by teams, two matches before alliance selections when pick list strategy is heavily dependent on knowing what the standings are, that's kind of a big deal. I too have attended other Week 1 events that were far more problem riddled. As I acknowledged in my last post, generally speaking, I believe the Crescent event did a good job making the best of a crappy situation. |
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Sitting around idly never fixed a problem either. Throughout the weekend I didn't meet a single volunteer identifying as a member of your affiliated teams. I did meet many volunteers from many teams in attendance and 2056 even got their sponsor to CNC some bumper measuring tools. Plenty of teams found ways to make the event run smoother. You have been critical of this event and it's volunteers since before it began, and it has not been constructive yet. P.S. Talk to the DJ at your next event. He wants his club to fundraise for your team because you are from his town. |
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I agree completely that the field staff (FTAs and others) were working quickly to restore the field to operational status. Things happen, I get it. I agree that the volunteers at the Canadian events are some of the best in the world, and commend each of them for their efforts in making GTRWest 2014 a success, which it was. I'm sure you can understand how to a casual observer, this incident was easily chalked up to "Oh, look, the field is broken, again". I don't understand why 5 years into this particular flavour of the control system we still have such consistent problems with it. In addition, we've been hearing lots on CD about the ref tablets being fickle beasts, and the hot goal switching being inexplicably wonky (theres a video online of a match where one side stays hot for 9 seconds and the other side only goes hot for about 1 second before auto is over). Thankfully, I didn't notice the hot goals being weird at GTRW. |
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First of all I want to thank everyone for their hard work in making things as amazing as possible. It was a week 1 event and we had our issues.
I want to thank every single team for working with us when we were fixing things. No team had an issue with any of the delays and were only eager to do anything we needed them to do in order to continue playing matches. At GTR-W the pedestals were not really a big issue, yes there was a match or two on the Saturday where they were being funky. But the FTA's so dedicated to getting the field to work stayed late on Saturday night just to get the field components working as intended. On the Sunday there were 0 issues with the pedestals and we also had volunteers in place to make sure any issue was dealt with quickly. They didn't have anything to report. Ref Tablets were not being fickle, there was a power outage on the field as mentioned earlier that's one of those "wow that can happen" things that rarely ever does happen. Was fixed in minutes. Standings didn't work. Yes that is unfortunate. I agree that kumbaya wont get problems fixed. I know that competing teams need certain things and it sucks that they don't have them. Believe you me, the FTA's knew the problems and had plans in place to fix them. The reason why they did not make any move to fix internet was because they didnt want to risk losing the field once again, because if you noticed the rankings not being updated then I am sure you noticed the field was working much better by that point. I couldnt find another thread for this. Congratulations to various teams on their success. 4914 - rookie all star 1310, 610, 5076 - Regional Winners 1241 - VoY(2), Deans List(2), Chairmans(I know how deserving you guys are of this award) Congratulations to all of the other teams as well for competing at a week 1 event, its not easy by any means. |
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When will the archive be posted?
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Most of the qualification matches are up. Sorry for the long delays.
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