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hobbins 29-01-2014 21:00

Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
FIRST Robotics Canada is pleased to be working with Crescent school
and team 610 to execute the GTR West event this year. It will be
taking place from Friday Feb 28 to Sunday March 2, 2014. The event
will host 30 teams and promises to be an action packed display of
fantastic robots and teams.

While we would love to have additional spectators at the event, due to
space and parking
limitations this will be a PARTICIPATING TEAM ONLY event. Only the 30
teams registered for this event will be able to attend. Each
participating team
will have a limited number of team attendees. Any other visitors will not
be allowed into the venue due to safety and fire regulations.
FIRST Canada would ask that unless you are on a team and have a wrist
band assigned from the team as part of their allocation, that you do
not come to view the event in person as you will not get in. Instead
we ask that you watch the webcast at www.watchfirstnow.ca

Thank you for your understanding, and please do plan to attend in
person any of the other FRC Ontario events listed below:

Week 2 - University of Ontario Institute of Technology and Durham
College (GTR East)
Week 4 - University of Waterloo (Waterloo Regional)
Week 5 - University of Nipissing (North Bay Regional)
Week 6 - University of Windsor (Windsor-Essex Regional)

cadandcookies 29-01-2014 21:40

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I'm not going to the event, but I will be watching.

It doesn't sound optimal to not have any spectators, but thank you for getting this out in the open quickly and publicly. Always best to be up front about things like this.

JackS 30-01-2014 00:57

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I certainly hope the webcast is high quality.

jblay 30-01-2014 01:57

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I hope no kids or parents or anything like that are forced to not attend their own robot's competition, because of the individual team limitation. I get limiting public attendance, but if you had a part in building a robot, even it means sitting on the floor, you should be permitted to watch your team play.

brandon.cottrell 30-01-2014 02:01

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I wonder how they'll manage that. Because our team certainly has a lot of people who come to our regionals and represent us but aren't necessarily on our team anymore/never were. Like, at what point is someone on a team?

Ankit S. 30-01-2014 02:29

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon1266 (Post 1334641)
I wonder how they'll manage that. Because our team certainly has a lot of people who come to our regionals and represent us but aren't necessarily on our team anymore/never were. Like, at what point is someone on a team?

It sounds like the event will only hand out a certain amount of wristbands to each team. From that point on each team needs to allocate its wristbands so that their true members can attend.

As a result, the event coordinators probably don't need to worry about what constitutes being a team member; that issue is for the teams leadership to solve.

bduddy 30-01-2014 02:52

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That sounds... pretty terrible. Didn't GTR West used to be a pretty big event? If I was part of a team where all members, mentors, and parents would not be able to attend, I would be quite upset... especially considering that there doesn't seem to have been any notification before now, in the middle of the build season...

LeelandS 30-01-2014 03:31

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Dang. A couple friends and I were planning a trip up there to see the action and catch up with some friends, but I guess that's on the backburner now :(

It's unfortunate that GTRW doesn't have the capacity to allow even full team attendance. It's awesome that 610 and Crescent are hosting the event, though. It should still be amazing and we will definitely be tuning in via webcast.

Good luck to all the teams attending!

Koko Ed 30-01-2014 07:11

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbins (Post 1334507)
FIRST Robotics Canada is pleased to be working with Crescent school
and team 610 to execute the GTR West event this year. It will be
taking place from Friday Feb 28 to Sunday March 2, 2014. The event
will host 30 teams and promises to be an action packed display of
fantastic robots and teams.

While we would love to have additional spectators at the event, due to
space and parking
limitations this will be a PARTICIPATING TEAM ONLY event. Only the 30
teams registered for this event will be able to attend. Each
participating team
will have a limited number of team attendees. Any other visitors will not
be allowed into the venue due to safety and fire regulations.
FIRST Canada would ask that unless you are on a team and have a wrist
band assigned from the team as part of their allocation, that you do
not come to view the event in person as you will not get in. Instead
we ask that you watch the webcast at www.watchfirstnow.ca

Thank you for your understanding, and please do plan to attend in
person any of the other FRC Ontario events listed below:

Week 2 - University of Ontario Institute of Technology and Durham
College (GTR East)
Week 4 - University of Waterloo (Waterloo Regional)
Week 5 - University of Nipissing (North Bay Regional)
Week 6 - University of Windsor (Windsor-Essex Regional)

Good thing I'm going to the Alamo Regional instead.

Tom Line 30-01-2014 07:15

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I'm sure it was a very difficult decision to do it this way. I was talking with one of the event organizers (go 610!) earlier this year and he was very concerned. High schools aren't in Canada aren't generally as big as the ones we have done in the states, and they were extremely limited in their available choices for the venue.

That said, in true 'Firster' fashion, they are doing the best they can and moving forward.

hobbins 30-01-2014 11:53

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Thanks everyone for showing interest in this event! The webcast will be very good and we have a great list of teams competing. We do have a process of wrist bands for entry and team members can swap the wrist bands with anyone from their team: parents, mentors, students, etc.
It was important for us to inform the FIRST community of the limited capacity as we do not want to have someone make a trip here only to be turned away. We also have a large school building adjacent to the competition building where we will have additional, but restricted space for team representatives, a scouting centre, live feed video screens, and great food!
We want everyone to know that we are working very hard to make this an amazing event, which included not allowing Karthik to sing at this event.
Go Teams!

Duncan Macdonald 30-01-2014 12:28

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Seeing as I have a roll in the webcast, can we agree that the full field fisheye shot is the preferred camera setup?
fisheye
vs.
traditional

Unfourtunatly the broadcast aspect ratio will likely be 4:3 because of the projection screen in the Crescent theatre.

Karthik 30-01-2014 12:32

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1334805)
Seeing as I have a roll in the webcast, can we agree that the full field fisheye shot is the preferred camera setup?

Absolutely agreed. The full field fisheye setup is by far the best view for people who are not in the building, or have an obstructed view of the field.

Daniel_LaFleur 30-01-2014 12:37

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1334805)
Seeing as I have a roll in the webcast, can we agree that the full field fisheye shot is the preferred camera setup?
fisheye
vs.
traditional

Unfourtunatly the broadcast aspect ratio will likely be 4:3 because of the projection screen in the Crescent theatre.

Is it possible to have multiple web streams with differing angles, such as 1 full field fisheye and 2 half court fixed traditional feeds where the viewer can decide which angle(s)/feed(s) they wish to view?

IKE 30-01-2014 12:55

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1334811)
Absolutely agreed. The full field fisheye setup is by far the best view for people who are not in the building, or have an obstructed view of the field.

I have often thought that the full field "fish eye" or Nerd's eye view (pun off the Enginerds set up) is optimal for the match. If possible, then replay the match with the zoom-ins/splices while waiting for the score to come up. This acts as a sort of "instant replay" while still giving the viewers the opprotunity to see the full match for the first viewing.
This set up also gives the opportunity for the audio/commentary to match the screen. Nothing worse than hearing the anouncer talk about an awesome play while the video is showing a stranded turtle impression.

Duncan Macdonald 30-01-2014 13:21

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur (Post 1334812)
Is it possible to have multiple web streams with differing angles, such as 1 full field fisheye and 2 half court fixed traditional feeds where the viewer can decide which angle(s)/feed(s) they wish to view?

My primary focus to this point has been on the scout centre and making that video feed as robust as possible. We are overlaying the scoreboard from the standard feed over fisheye video. Minus the FRC field this setup has been tested and works locally to any computer plugged into the crescent network.

Adam/Watchfirstnow is providing us with 2 streaming setups. One will be playing the traditional overhead feed and one will play the fisheye feed. I would recommend watching the fisheye one because while both webcasts are 720p the input from the traditional feed is 480p.

What you are asking is possible but requires 2 additional cameras, 2 additional capture devices, and additional field-side clutter. (We toyed with the idea of additional cameras and joked about mounting GoPros inside the truss facing each direction.)

Siri 31-01-2014 09:57

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LeelandS (Post 1334652)
Dang. A couple friends and I were planning a trip up there to see the action and catch up with some friends, but I guess that's on the backburner now :(

Anyone in this boat - maybe they still need volunteers?

Credit: dawned on me because Koko Ed is synonymous with 'volunteer' in my head.

Tem1514 Mentor 31-01-2014 11:44

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Hi John,

We all need to thank 610 for stepping up to the plate and allowing all the local Toronto teams to us the Crecent school venue.

You indicated that the event will run from Friday to SUNDAY, so has the event format changed from the Thursday to Saturday format? Would you please provide more on the schedule if running Fri-Sun.

thanks

Mr. Lim 31-01-2014 11:58

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tem1514 Mentor (Post 1335324)
Hi John,

We all need to thank 610 for stepping up to the plate and allowing all the local Toronto teams to us the Crecent school venue.

You indicated that the event will run from Friday to SUNDAY, so has the event format changed from the Thursday to Saturday format? Would you please provide more on the schedule if running Fri-Sun.

thanks

The event agenda can be found here:

http://frclinks.com/e/g/onto2

Gregor 31-01-2014 12:53

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 1335330)
The event agenda can be found here:

http://frclinks.com/e/g/onto2

I'm loving that 9am start Friday.

wendells 31-01-2014 16:27

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Hats off to Crescent School for hosting the GTA West FRC. l think that Saturday and Sunday are the perfect days for the competition.
Good Luck to all.

Tem1514 Mentor 31-01-2014 20:41

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1335359)
I'm loving that 9am start Friday.

Me too,the 401 can be a real traffic jam in the morning

hobbins 01-02-2014 10:48

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Yes, the event has a unique schedule allowing us to start late on Friday and to run through Saturday and Sunday. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I suspect that it will be good! We expect the actual event to be amazing :D

Mr. Lim 02-02-2014 19:08

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Thanks everyone who commented in this thread.

Crescent and Team 610 have been working hard with FIRST Robotics Canada to make this event one of the best regionals in all of FIRST.

It was unfortunate that the Hershey Centre was not available to host the GTRW this year, but thanks to the hard work of a lot of people behind the scenes, we were able to find a last-minute alternate venue for the GTRW in our school's Field House.

Although Crescent and Team 610 have a "large" presence in the Robotics community, we are actually a very small school. Our Upper School (Grades 9 to 12) has less than 400 students! Most people are very surprised to hear we are this small.

We are certainly punching well above our weight class in hosting an FRC Regional while still fielding a team to compete in it. But thanks to all the volunteers involved, we know that the event will be one of the best ever.

Speaking of volunteers, we are always looking for more excellent volunteers to help our event run! You can sign up on online via VIMS here:

https://my.usfirst.org/FIRSTPortal/L...IMS_Login.aspx

And in addition, we could always use a few non-event volunteers to help us clear the Field House before the event, and restore it afterwards! We have Crescent teachers who've graciously volunteered to come in between their classes to help do this, but we could always use more hands! More information is available in the link below. Volunteering for clearing or restoring the Field House won't get you in during the event, however - you'll still need to volunteer for an actual EVENT volunteer position above via VIMS if you want to be able to get in to watch the event. Why not volunteer for both? :D

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=125567

Bochek 26-02-2014 11:02

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
A live feed of the setup for GTR West has started. It will run today and tomorrow. You can check it out at http://www.watchfirstnow.com/live/3

Racer26 26-02-2014 13:17

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 1349889)
A live feed of the setup for GTR West has started. It will run today and tomorrow. You can check it out at http://www.watchfirstnow.com/live/3

Doesn't seem to work, Adam.

Duncan Macdonald 26-02-2014 13:20

We needed to reboot the machine to get other stuff running. Don't worry you didn't miss anything the bleachers still aren't assembled.

Bochek 26-02-2014 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1349977)
Doesn't seem to work, Adam.

I've left for myrtle beach. Duncan is going to handle the setup of the equipment this weekend. When I left he was working on getting the scouting center feed working. Expect the live broadcast to be up and down over the next couple days.

Racer26 27-02-2014 11:39

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 1350097)
I've left for myrtle beach. Duncan is going to handle the setup of the equipment this weekend. When I left he was working on getting the scouting center feed working. Expect the live broadcast to be up and down over the next couple days.

Still not seeing a working stream, Duncan. Is it my internet connection?

Duncan Macdonald 27-02-2014 11:41

No. Moving the internet drop to the scorers table took priority.

AdamHeard 27-02-2014 12:01

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1350505)
No. Moving the internet drop to the scorers table took priority.

Does this mean no webcast for the entire weekend?

Duncan Macdonald 27-02-2014 12:44

There will be webcast for the entire weekend. The camera setup is currently in the corner to show as much of the fieldhouse as possible and to keep it out of the way. Once the field is finished the camera will move to the scorers table where the internet connection has been moved to. I didn't realise the interest field construction generated, and will try to keep it uninterrupted for the rest of the day.

AdamHeard 27-02-2014 12:46

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1350522)
There will be webcast for the entire weekend. The camera setup is currently in the corner to show as much of the fieldhouse as possible and to keep it out of the way. Once the field is finished the camera will move to the scorers table where the internet connection has been moved to. I didn't realise the interest field construction generated, and will try to keep it uninterrupted for the rest of the day.

Oh, I was asking for in regards to matches. Sorry to be unclear.

Thanks for running the webcast! Excited to see this weekend.

Cullenwelch88 28-02-2014 09:37

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Hello,

Are the webcasts suppose to be working for todays event?

Thanks

Cullen

Racer26 28-02-2014 09:46

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cullenwelch88 (Post 1350857)
Hello,

Are the webcasts suppose to be working for todays event?

Thanks

Cullen

They've been up and down like a yoyo for me. I suspect they're working out the final kinks (since today is practice day), before showtime tomorrow.

Cullenwelch88 28-02-2014 09:52

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1350862)
They've been up and down like a yoyo for me. I suspect they're working out the final kinks (since today is practice day), before showtime tomorrow.

Okay. Thanks for letting me know! I was just wondering if there would be webcast today!

Cheers!

Racer26 28-02-2014 11:03

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Duncan? Are you doing something that keeps making the feeds go up and down, or is the internet connection there just flaky?

Karthik 28-02-2014 12:39

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1350911)
Duncan? Are you doing something that keeps making the feeds go up and down, or is the internet connection there just flaky?

Duncan is busy being the Lead Robot Inspector, while also working to get the webcast up and running. He's probably a bit too busy to be checking Chief constantly for all these requests. Rest assured, once there are matches to be played, the stream will be live.

Duncan Macdonald 28-02-2014 13:12

Ok for once I'm asking for input. How stable have the webcasts been for the last 2 hours? I know before that it was terrible.

BrennanB 28-02-2014 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1350973)
Ok for once I'm asking for input. How stable have the webcasts been for the last 2 hours? I know before that it was terrible.

For at least the last hour they have been fine. Only been watching the full field one though.

Jonathan Norris 28-02-2014 13:18

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Duncan, I have both up and they were good for that last practice match (610 looking good :)). I'll let you know if I see any issues.

Racer26 28-02-2014 13:20

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
They've improved. They were quite unstable before that.

They seem to have gotten more stable around the same time the field started working.

fox46 28-02-2014 15:49

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
They've been down any time I've tried to watch. Not sure if the problem is on my end or what. All the others via Blue Alliance are working though.

Jack_poldon 28-02-2014 15:52

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fox46 (Post 1351056)
They've been down any time I've tried to watch. Not sure if the problem is on my end or what. All the others via Blue Alliance are working though.

I've been experiencing the same issues. It was working about 30 mins ago.

Racer26 28-02-2014 15:54

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Same here. Dropped out about 45min ago, just as 4343 was about to have a practice match.

EDIT: Speak of the devil, Feed 1 just came back.... aaaaand its gone again.

Jonathan Norris 28-02-2014 16:07

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
yea they are working hard on it, trying to get them back up and stable. look like stream 1 is back up.

Jack_poldon 28-02-2014 16:21

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris (Post 1351062)
yea they are working hard on it, trying to get them back up and stable. look like stream 1 is back up.

Thanks for the update. And kudos on a great event, wish I could be there.

Jonathan Norris 28-02-2014 16:44

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Here's a Ustream feed that hopefully will work better: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frcgtrw

scottmacdonald 28-02-2014 16:59

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Keep up the good work Duncan!

Jack_poldon 28-02-2014 17:17

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Feed looks great. Thanks for all your hard work, very appreciated!!!

Bochek 28-02-2014 23:25

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Hi everyone,

I must apologize for the inconstancy in the webcast today. It was not at all to the standards that we (WatchFirstNow) strive for.

With that said. This is week one, today was practice day, the broadcast equipment is less then 2 weeks old and I am 19 hours away at the palmetto regional. so please bear with us. Duncan and Mr. Lim are working hard to try and make sure everything stays up and running.

Matches from this event will be archived early next week.

Best of luck to everyone attending the event. And please enjoy the webcast tomorrow.

- Bochek

brassardd 01-03-2014 07:45

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Since 2009 we go to watch match at GRTW to validate scouting and strategy. This year we rent 2 rooms for 2 nights and drive 8 hours to find out that we won't be able to enter the site to see matchs.

It has been a waste of time and money that we won't forget. it's unnacceptable that we were not advice in advance.

Racer26 01-03-2014 07:52

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I'm not sure what else you would have liked from them. It was announced on CD and on FIRST Robotics Canada's website.

People have been commenting on how crescent school isn't really big enough since it was announced as a venue.

Also: since 2009, GTR (renamed to GTR West in 2011) has been the last FIRST regional of the season in Canada. I highly doubt you were using it to pilot strategies. In 2012, GTR East was formed in Oshawa as a Week 2 event (the first event of the year in Canada)

Cullenwelch88 01-03-2014 09:43

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Does the webcast lag sometimes for anyone else?

Thanks

Cullen

Bochek 01-03-2014 10:00

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
If your experiancing any lag on the webcast, try turning down the quality in the bottom right corner. we are broadcasting at full 720p and many internet connections can't handle that bandwidth.

Jonathan Norris 01-03-2014 10:18

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brassardd (Post 1351295)
Since 2009 we go to watch match at GRTW to validate scouting and strategy. This year we rent 2 rooms for 2 nights and drive 8 hours to find out that we won't be able to enter the site to see matchs.

It has been a waste of time and money that we won't forget. it's unnacceptable that we were not advice in advance.

I'm really sorry to hear that, from everything I've heard Crescent was a backup location after FIRST Canada was unable to secure the Hershey Center this year. But historically this event has been a 5th week event, I believe that this year is the first time we've ever had a first week event in Canada. FIRST Canada has been very forthcoming of the fire code restrictions at this event, its been posted on their website and here on CD in addition to email blasts. Obviously that doesn't help the fact that you've paid for hotel rooms and driven 8 hours to attend the event.

The good thing is that the webcasts are streaming great in HD today.

Cullenwelch88 01-03-2014 12:02

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
The MatchResults and Standing are not working on usfirst.org. Just a FYI

Cullen

Racer26 01-03-2014 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cullenwelch88 (Post 1351356)
The MatchResults and Standing are not working on usfirst.org. Just a FYI

Cullen

I was told by the FTA today that this is because the field didn't have an internet connection.

A problem I don't really understand, since the WFN streaming box pushing two 720p signals to the internet was literally sitting on the scoring table.

magnets 01-03-2014 19:49

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The FMS is extremely picky when it comes to internet connections for some reason. If it doesn't connect to the FRC main server thingy (which I think is new this year), it gets all unhappy.

Racer26 01-03-2014 20:13

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
My kingdom for an FRC field that just works every time, and an FRC game that refs can actually score correctly. I wish we could go back to the IFI radio days. I don't remember a single match held up by a communication issue that wasn't a forgotten radio cable or similar.

This game is one I actually don't blame the refs for their poor performance on. The game design makes it impossible for 4 refs plus 1 head ref to watch 6 robots, 6 human players, and 2-6 balls for the litany of fouls and still expect them to be able to score assists properly.

gr8dragon 01-03-2014 22:09

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
In case other people haven't checked in a while, the standings and match results are up now for me.

Cullenwelch88 02-03-2014 11:10

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Webcast went down for this regional? Does anyone else experience this?

Cullen

Duncan Macdonald 02-03-2014 11:11

Matches are also paused

Cullenwelch88 02-03-2014 11:14

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Okay, Thanks for the update Duncan!

Cullen

Duncan Macdonald 02-03-2014 11:15

For those keeping track at home. If 1310 wins they lock first seed. A 1310 loss and 1241 win will put 1241 first on assists. Interesting last two matches

Alex Cormier 02-03-2014 11:46

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Were the alliance picking done already?

Navid Shafa 02-03-2014 11:53

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 1351829)
Were the alliance picking done already?

Nope, starting soon.

Cory 02-03-2014 13:58

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1351297)
I'm not sure what else you would have liked from them. It was announced on CD and on FIRST Robotics Canada's website.

People have been commenting on how crescent school isn't really big enough since it was announced as a venue.

Also: since 2009, GTR (renamed to GTR West in 2011) has been the last FIRST regional of the season in Canada. I highly doubt you were using it to pilot strategies. In 2012, GTR East was formed in Oshawa as a Week 2 event (the first event of the year in Canada)

These are all terrible reasons. Show me where on the FIRST website it says that this event is not open to the public?

The FIRST Canada website only posted it on January 30th.

When every FRC event in the history of the program has been open to the public, it is unreasonable to expect that the casual spectator would go to the FRC website, find the GTR-W regional, look for site info (which is not available and could have had a warning that people cannot come watch), still not see anything out of the ordinary, and then click through (but only after January 30th!) to the FIRST Canada website to find that it is not open to the public.

I think he, friends and family, and anyone else who wanted to come have every right to be pissed off.

Racer26 02-03-2014 14:53

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1351899)
These are all terrible reasons. Show me where on the FIRST website it says that this event is not open to the public?

The FIRST Canada website only posted it on January 30th.

When every FRC event in the history of the program has been open to the public, it is unreasonable to expect that the casual spectator would go to the FRC website, find the GTR-W regional, look for site info (which is not available and could have had a warning that people cannot come watch), still not see anything out of the ordinary, and then click through (but only after January 30th!) to the FIRST Canada website to find that it is not open to the public.

I think he, friends and family, and anyone else who wanted to come have every right to be pissed off.

Imagine the frustration for the larger teams who paid to actually attend this regional and had to tell some of their students they couldn't go, because of the restriction.

The teams going didn't find out until Jan 30 either.

Tem1514 Mentor 02-03-2014 19:30

Re: Week 1 Event Notice - FIRST Robotics Canada
 
I guess we can all be thankful for even having the GTRW event at ALL. If Crescent school had not allowed FIRST to use the field house as the host site it event may not have happened at all :ahh:

To those that where not allowed in I hope you can understand the reasons why numbers had to be held down.

I just hope there are lots of youtube videos as the finials where exciting and for the entire match there was only one, count it. just one truss catch.

mman1506 02-03-2014 20:09

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Will 610 post a recording of the regional? WatchFIRSTnow as great as they are won't have the archives posted until later this week and a recording even in raw format would be great.

Racer26 02-03-2014 20:36

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The people behind WFN are surprisingly quick about it. Last year they posted several matches within minutes of them happening. I would expect by mid week they'll have them up. The main person behind WFN was competing at Palmetto this weekend in South Carolina while GTRW was being covered by them.

PriyankP 02-03-2014 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1351899)
These are all terrible reasons. Show me where on the FIRST website it says that this event is not open to the public?

The FIRST Canada website only posted it on January 30th.

When every FRC event in the history of the program has been open to the public, it is unreasonable to expect that the casual spectator would go to the FRC website, find the GTR-W regional, look for site info (which is not available and could have had a warning that people cannot come watch), still not see anything out of the ordinary, and then click through (but only after January 30th!) to the FIRST Canada website to find that it is not open to the public.

I think he, friends and family, and anyone else who wanted to come have every right to be pissed off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1351922)
Imagine the frustration for the larger teams who paid to actually attend this regional and had to tell some of their students they couldn't go, because of the restriction.

The teams going didn't find out until Jan 30 either.

Guys, please calm down.

The event took place in a domed field house; therefore, the organizers had to place a restriction on the number of people in the dome (I'm sure I don't have to explain this).

If you bring too many people, Crescent is an amazing looking school with a comfortable theater room that was set up for people to watch the game in HD. Nobody was told to go back home.

I'm sure if Crescent could, they would have allowed everyone in. I also saw groups of visitors in the dome with with volunteers guiding them, and explaining the game.

Jonathan Norris 02-03-2014 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mman1506 (Post 1352177)
Will 610 post a recording of the regional? WatchFIRSTnow as great as they are won't have the archives posted until later this week and a recording even in raw format would be great.

The 610 students have the match recordings, they will be uploaded in the coming days to the 610's youtube channel, I'll get them to post here when they are uploaded. I am not sure yet if they are also getting posted to WatchFirstNow.

Racer26 02-03-2014 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PriyankP (Post 1352217)
Guys, please calm down.

The event took place in a domed field house; therefore, the organizers had to place a restriction on the number of people in the dome (I'm sure I don't have to explain this).

If you bring too many people, Crescent is an amazing looking school with a comfortable theater room that was set up for people to watch the game in HD. Nobody was told to go back home.

That wasn't actually true, though. I was there. Both the field house and the theatre were controlled access, as fire code regulations only allow them to have so many people there. My understanding was that each of the 30 teams were allowed 30 people in the field house, and 10 in the theatre.

PriyankP 02-03-2014 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1352224)
That wasn't actually true, though. I was there. Both the field house and the theatre were controlled access, as fire code regulations only allow them to have so many people there. My understanding was that each of the 30 teams were allowed 30 people in the field house, and 10 in the theatre.

I was in the theatre with no wristband ... it was mostly empty. Anyway, I loved the regional - not too many people, not too few. It felt like any other regional to me!

Mr. Lim 03-03-2014 10:43

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The unsplit archive for the full-field feed for eliminations can be found here:
http://www.justin.tv/watchfirstnow2/b/507688418

The elims start around 1:54:00.

Steve W 03-03-2014 10:45

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Thanks goes to the many volunteers that worked long hours to make this event happen. Without Crescent and their work GTRWest would not have happened. We needed a week one event in Canada. Hershey Center was not available. They looked all summer to find a venue but nothing available. crescent was approached and agreed. It disrupted the school but they were very garacious about it. Parking was also an issue as there was not much onsite parking. Walking from other schools around and a shuttle on Friday.

What many do not realize is that Crescent is not a large school. They are Grade 3 (I believe) to Grade 12. Their upper school (high school) is about 300 students. I have been to events held in U.S. high schools that are huge. In Canada our HS are much much smaller and don't have the same facilities as the U.S. HS's that hold FIRST events.

Again I would like to thank the planning committee for their hard work and commitment in making this such a great event.

Racer26 03-03-2014 11:40

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Crescent certainly did a good job hosting the event with the resources they had. There were a couple of minor issues, but nothing out of the ordinary for a first FIRST event in a new venue. It was *almost* as good as we could have hoped for. IMO, Cory is right, FIRST HQ dropped the ball by not making it well known that the venue was going to be controlled access.

The only big thing that I found irritating at the event was the field failures, and the issue of the field not posting results to the web (so tools like FRC Spyder, and even just looking at the rankings) were made difficult. I don't know if this was related to the field problems or not. An FTA told me it was because the field had no internet connection, which seemed odd, given that two 720p streams were being pushed from the same table with seemingly little in the way of connectivity issues. I don't believe the field issues were in any way related to Crescent's running of the event though.

The field seemed to have an issue at the end of qualifications with the ref tablets and pedestals not lighting. One tablet was replaced, and a match fog horned and replayed twice because of these issues.

Steve W 03-03-2014 11:48

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First week event and field issues what do you expect. As for not posting results it was because the internet was not on the FMS. I was there till 1 am Friday morning (18 hours at venue) back at 6:30 am and worked with FIRSTto try and resolve the issue. I was one of 6 or 7 that was working on internet and field issues.

Instead of everyone complaining about this minor issue or that inconvenience maybe the GP thing to do is herald a great event in which teams worked together, rebuilt robots and had had a great time. I have been to other week one events that were not even close to the quality of GTR West.

Racer26 03-03-2014 13:24

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With all due respect, Steve, I believe that a significant part of professionalism is acknowledging where we fell short and encouraging constructive discussion about how we can do better in the future.

Sitting around singing kumbaya never got problems fixed.

As part of FIRST competitions in Canada for the last 12 years, I'm well aware, and appreciative of your contributions. I know you are something of an expert when it comes to field internet connectivity issues, and had assumed you were helping with them.

However, when the field is so broken that matches couldn't be run and the standings couldnt be viewed even in the pits by teams, two matches before alliance selections when pick list strategy is heavily dependent on knowing what the standings are, that's kind of a big deal.

I too have attended other Week 1 events that were far more problem riddled. As I acknowledged in my last post, generally speaking, I believe the Crescent event did a good job making the best of a crappy situation.

Duncan Macdonald 03-03-2014 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 1352526)
The unsplit archive for the full-field feed for eliminations can be found here:
http://www.justin.tv/watchfirstnow2/b/507688418

The elims start around 1:54:00.

Finals at 4:01:00 / 4:21:00 / 4:35:00

Karthik 03-03-2014 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1352681)
However, when the field is so broken that matches couldn't be run and the standings couldnt be viewed even in the pits by teams, two matches before alliance selections when pick list strategy is heavily dependent on knowing what the standings are, that's kind of a big deal.

To be fair, this was not an issue with field, rather a power connection that came loose. I can personally attest that multiple FTAs and volunteers restored power as quickly as humanly possible, without singing a single verse of Kumbaya.

Duncan Macdonald 03-03-2014 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer26 (Post 1352681)
With all due respect, Steve, I believe that a significant part of professionalism is acknowledging where we fell short and encouraging constructive discussion about how we can do better in the future.

Sitting around singing kumbaya never got problems fixed.

I haven't met a single person associated with planning or running the event that didn't express some variation of "It's a shame we can't let more people in" before during and after the event.

Sitting around idly never fixed a problem either. Throughout the weekend I didn't meet a single volunteer identifying as a member of your affiliated teams. I did meet many volunteers from many teams in attendance and 2056 even got their sponsor to CNC some bumper measuring tools. Plenty of teams found ways to make the event run smoother. You have been critical of this event and it's volunteers since before it began, and it has not been constructive yet.

P.S. Talk to the DJ at your next event. He wants his club to fundraise for your team because you are from his town.

Racer26 03-03-2014 14:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 1352705)
To be fair, this was not an issue with field, rather a power connection that came loose. I can personally attest that multiple FTAs and volunteers restored power as quickly as humanly possible, without singing a single verse of Kumbaya.

The Kumbaya comment was out of frustration at Steve's implication that my negative feedback isn't welcome. Positive feedback is nice, and makes everybody feel good, but accomplishes little else, except to help keep around the changes that we like. Negative feedback is what drives change and helps make the events be the best that they can be, provided its not baseless slamming for no reason.

I agree completely that the field staff (FTAs and others) were working quickly to restore the field to operational status. Things happen, I get it. I agree that the volunteers at the Canadian events are some of the best in the world, and commend each of them for their efforts in making GTRWest 2014 a success, which it was.

I'm sure you can understand how to a casual observer, this incident was easily chalked up to "Oh, look, the field is broken, again".

I don't understand why 5 years into this particular flavour of the control system we still have such consistent problems with it. In addition, we've been hearing lots on CD about the ref tablets being fickle beasts, and the hot goal switching being inexplicably wonky (theres a video online of a match where one side stays hot for 9 seconds and the other side only goes hot for about 1 second before auto is over). Thankfully, I didn't notice the hot goals being weird at GTRW.

gr8dragon 03-03-2014 14:43

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First of all I want to thank everyone for their hard work in making things as amazing as possible. It was a week 1 event and we had our issues.

I want to thank every single team for working with us when we were fixing things. No team had an issue with any of the delays and were only eager to do anything we needed them to do in order to continue playing matches.

At GTR-W the pedestals were not really a big issue, yes there was a match or two on the Saturday where they were being funky. But the FTA's so dedicated to getting the field to work stayed late on Saturday night just to get the field components working as intended. On the Sunday there were 0 issues with the pedestals and we also had volunteers in place to make sure any issue was dealt with quickly. They didn't have anything to report. Ref Tablets were not being fickle, there was a power outage on the field as mentioned earlier that's one of those "wow that can happen" things that rarely ever does happen. Was fixed in minutes.

Standings didn't work. Yes that is unfortunate. I agree that kumbaya wont get problems fixed. I know that competing teams need certain things and it sucks that they don't have them. Believe you me, the FTA's knew the problems and had plans in place to fix them. The reason why they did not make any move to fix internet was because they didnt want to risk losing the field once again, because if you noticed the rankings not being updated then I am sure you noticed the field was working much better by that point.

I couldnt find another thread for this. Congratulations to various teams on their success.
4914 - rookie all star
1310, 610, 5076 - Regional Winners
1241 - VoY(2), Deans List(2), Chairmans(I know how deserving you guys are of this award)
Congratulations to all of the other teams as well for competing at a week 1 event, its not easy by any means.

Gregor 10-03-2014 12:14

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When will the archive be posted?

Bochek 10-03-2014 13:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1356488)
When will the archive be posted?

Hopefully I will have the elims up later tonight, Qualification matches tomorrow night.

-Bochek

Gregor 10-03-2014 13:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 1356566)
Hopefully I will have the elims up later tonight, Qualification matches tomorrow night.

-Bochek

Thanks for all your hard work.

Bochek 10-03-2014 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 1356566)
Hopefully I will have the elims up later tonight, Qualification matches tomorrow night.

-Bochek

Elims are up now. No qualification matches till tomorrow.

Bochek 11-03-2014 22:45

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Most of the qualification matches are up. Sorry for the long delays.


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