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josmee443 01-02-2014 19:58

Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Hi Guys!

My team (Team 1758) has been working on a locking mechanism for our catapult in the past couple of weeks, but we can't seem to come up with a smoothly working design. Our most recent idea was using the locking mechanism of a doorknob. The latch of the doorknob holds down the catapult and a piston pulls back the patch to unlock the catapult. However, due to friction, this mechanism does not work all of the time (maybe 50% of the time). Do you guys have an suggestions for a good working lock mechanism for a catapult system?

Thanks! :]

Ether 01-02-2014 20:02

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by josmee443 (Post 1335994)
Hi Guys!

My team (Team 1758) has been working on a locking mechanism for our catapult in the past couple of weeks, but we can't seem to come up with a smoothly working design. Our most recent idea was using the locking mechanism of a doorknob. The latch of the doorknob holds down the catapult and a piston pulls back the patch to unlock the catapult. However, due to friction, this mechanism does not work all of the time (maybe 50% of the time). Do you guys have an suggestions for a good working lock mechanism for a catapult system?

Gate latch. Ball shifter with gear removed. Pin through an eye bolt with a teflon insert. Pawl. Over-center lever. Door-lock electromagnet (are those legal this year)?



rwkling1 01-02-2014 20:02

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Our team is using a gate latch. It's very simple, strong, easy to use, and easy to release.

apples000 01-02-2014 20:13

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Doorknob.

Ether 01-02-2014 21:38

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
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Originally Posted by apples000 (Post 1336010)
Doorknob.

Any particular model? The OP said they were using a dooknob and it wasn't working for them:

Quote:

Originally Posted by josmee443 (Post 1335994)
...The latch of the doorknob holds down the catapult and a piston pulls back the patch to unlock the catapult. However, due to friction, this mechanism does not work all of the time (maybe 50% of the time).




David Fort 01-02-2014 21:41

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Pneumatically actuated hatchet that cuts the rope.
(worked back in the day just fine).

I suppose that has the disadvantage of only working once.

Our team is partial to rope clutches (from sailboat). It can take a lot of force to release, but if you are more clever than we are, it can probably be mitigated.

I like systems that are "balanced" and the force to release them does not fight against the holding force. For example, a rope wrapped around a post. It holds if the tension is perpendicular to the post, but if you rotate the post down, the rope slides off the top.

Adam Freeman 01-02-2014 22:49

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
2008 Chevrolet Impala truck latch. Should be available at any Chevrolet dealership.

A little awkward to package/mount, but will hold a lot of load and can be easily released with a servo.

josmee443 01-02-2014 23:45

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
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Originally Posted by rwkling1 (Post 1335998)
Our team is using a gate latch. It's very simple, strong, easy to use, and easy to release.

Could you possibly describe how your team's gate latch works?

josmee443 01-02-2014 23:49

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1335997)
Gate latch. Ball shifter with gear removed. Pin through an eye bolt with a teflon insert. Pawl. Over-center lever. Door-lock electromagnet (are those legal this year)?



How would those work?

rwkling1 01-02-2014 23:56

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
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Originally Posted by josmee443 (Post 1336163)
Could you possibly describe how your team's gate latch works?

Sure! So our team purchased a gate latch similar to this:
http://www.menards.com/main/tools-ha...218-c-9694.htm
And what we have, is we attach the "peg" or whatever you want to call the piece that goes into the actual latch is mounted to our shooter. We attached a pneumatic cylinder onto the actual latch, so that when the cylinder is extended, the latch is closed, and once we retract it, it pulls back the latch, releasing the shooter. We also have a limit switch making sure that we don't winch the shooter down to much.

DampRobot 02-02-2014 00:54

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1336130)
2008 Chevrolet Impala truck latch. Should be available at any Chevrolet dealership.

A little awkward to package/mount, but will hold a lot of load and can be easily released with a servo.

Was that what you used for your famous Einstein winning hang?

Rynocorn 02-02-2014 00:59

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1336130)
2008 Chevrolet Impala truck latch. Should be available at any Chevrolet dealership.

A little awkward to package/mount, but will hold a lot of load and can be easily released with a servo.

Hey we tested with this exact same thing! It worked really well but we ended up going with a different shooter instead, however I would recommend it for you guys!

billbo911 02-02-2014 01:12

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
In 2010 we used a gate latch to hold and release out kicker. You can see it in this photo before the kicker was installed in the robot.



It was activate with a 1 inch throw cylinder, as seen here.


Gdeaver 02-02-2014 07:53

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
I've used a pneumatic coupler and a cylinder to pull the collar back. A ball lock device.

Storcky 02-02-2014 08:36

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
In 2008, we just used a piston to lock. You can see it up close in the beginning of this video. http://youtu.be/JKdTJSR-KuU

J. Stofflett 02-02-2014 09:07

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
This works well for us.

http://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/1-...ts/HAR418.html

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3y...it?usp=sharing

rick.oliver 02-02-2014 10:04

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
We have prototyped a latch actuated with a short stoke cylinder. The prototype used a 1/2" diameter shaft supported on bearings to simulate a CAM roller. The latch was cut from 1/8" AL flat stock such that the latch would follow the radius of the shaft and go just over top dead center. The latch is also cut away from the shaft at an angle to allow the catapult to flex down when the ball enters.

We have not completed the competition version; however, have high confidence it will work reliably. If not, thanks to the posters for alternatives.

Ether 02-02-2014 10:13

Re: Locking Mechanism for Catapult?
 
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Originally Posted by rick.oliver (Post 1336267)
We have prototyped a latch actuated with a short stoke cylinder. The prototype used a 1/2" diameter shaft supported on bearings to simulate a CAM roller. The latch was cut from 1/8" AL flat stock such that the latch would follow the radius of the shaft and go just over top dead center. The latch is also cut away from the shaft at an angle to allow the catapult to flex down when the ball enters.

Could you post a picture or two? I can't quite get a mental image from your description.

Thank you.




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