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FRC Spyder 2014?
I'm a huge fan of FRC Spyder and it's the number one used app on my phone. I'm concerned that we're this far into the season and I've yet to see anything...
Will there be an FRC Spyder update for 2014? Or a fresh Install? Thanks |
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Yes, we plan to release an update for the 2014 season.
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Indeed - thanks for the great app!!
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I hate to bump, but I was wondering if you have any idea on release time frame? If there's anything the community can do to help you guys moving forward, please let us know. I was using last year's app from the start of registration. You really take something for granted when it's gone. Thanks again guys, you are the best. <3
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The iOS version is already out, the Android version will be out sometime in the next couple of days.
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I have the iOS version, and on refresh, it gets 2013's data. Is this to be expected right now, or is it a bug?
I do have the updated version. |
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My team is almost done with our scouting system that incorporates the ideas of FRC spyder.
It's like a regular electronic scouting program for android, but it also includes all the matches and teams from every regional, so you can scout any regional you want. |
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I realize this thread is about the FRC Spyder app but is there going to be a new FRC Tracker app as well?
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I hadn't been getting the 2014 events on my iOS app... today I got the update (3.2.0 from 3.1.x) from the appstore and then did a refresh inside the app to get the latest event data... worked perfectly!
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Just got the update on Android. Love the new HOLO-ified interface. Any plans to add a HOLO dark option?
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Thanks Deven. The old interface was .... well .... old, so it had to go. There are no current plans for a Dark theme, but I'll look into it. With the change to the refreshed layout, I didn't have to to get all the old features in; I'll put them back as soon as possible.
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The app looks great!
I don't seem to be able to find widgets though? :) Am I missing them? Or are there none? |
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I'm liking the new interface. My only concern is that it looks like you can no longer select a team and see what events they are attending or how they did there.
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Thanks so much for the work that you put into this, Mike. I've become so dependent on this app and it looks fantastic.
-Sam |
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Thanks a lot. From a strategy stand point this is incredibly important.
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Does 2014 Spyder run on Froyo OS(2.2.1) or am I going to need to update my OS to get Spyder running.
Been using this great app since 2011, but for now I'll need to look over shoulders instead of looking up results myself. |
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o.O I clicked on this thread on my laptop and just as the page loaded my phone (S4) buzzed saying it had just updated an app - that app? FRC Spyder. Really creepy actually.
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This is probably my favorite app. Thank you for all the work it takes to keep this thing going every season.
Bug report using v2.0.3 with Android 4.4.2. When I select a team from a regional to look at their matches, the last match is hidden by the ad. |
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Possible bug report for Android (unless I'm doing something wrong)-there's no way to get a tournament bracket. Or was this removed from this year's version?
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Is anyone else having Hatboro-Horsham not update on their Spyder app?
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Yes, no H-H updates all day through Spyder (iOS), though results are on the FIRST web site.
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I can't believe I found you!! AHHHHH!!! <3:eek: |
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An update to FRC Spyder for iOS was released today. One new feature was added: the ability to share match lists using email, Twitter, Facebook, etc. You can do this with either the full event match list of just a single team's match list. The idea here is to be able to do things like send your team's match list to family and friends watching the webcast. There's also a couple other minor changes and fixes.
Download it from the App Store here. |
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Anyone know why the FRC Tracker has no data at all for New England Events? Is it just me?
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Remember, if there's nothing published, there's nothing that Spyder (or Tracker) can do about that. If you notice a case like that your best bet is to talk to someone at the event and make them aware that their website isn't showing correct information. |
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I just posted Android version 2.0.5 that adds two new tabs to the event screen:
- "team stats" has OPR, DPR, CCWM calculations for each team - "predictions" has score predictions of each unplayed match using each team's OPR I'll leave it up to the community to debate how useful the OPR statistic is for this year's game, but we wanted to provide it as another easily accessible data point available at your fingertips. |
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Hi Mike,
I like the new tabs. What I'd like to see in the predictions would remain after the match so we could compare. I know that subsequent games alter the OPR. It would have to consider the OPR as it was before the match so that the prediction could remain as it was just right before played. This might be a lot of work but if it could be done then an indicator could show if the prediction held. Perhaps even a percentage accuracy could be known. This could even be done post event. If it took a lot of CPU it might be better that way. Any possibilities? |
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Are there plans to implement elimination round schedules and results into the app? I seem to recall this functionlity last year (android)
Edit: I'm at Arkansas and I don't see any elims currently but I do see it at other regional events Edit2: Also all the team OPR calculations say "not enough match data" when all the qualifiers are posted |
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I see elimination matches at Arkansas. I also see OPR as missing for Arkansas. We'll look into it. |
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Predictions look good for the most part. Except for when the scores are negative :p
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I was wondering if there are any plans on bring FRC Spyder to Windows Phones. Unfortunately, I'm a bit behind the times when it comes to phones and ipods. A Nokia Lumia is the best I can afford and there's no Windows love when it comes to apps.
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---- I released another new version tonight. It makes the match scores list easier to parse quickly by putting each alliance's score next to the team numbers instead of hanging off on the right side of the screen. |
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I really like having the opr available. Would it be possible to have an option to sort teams in the statististics tab by their opr?
Other than that, I love the way the app has been developing (android) |
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Hey I was looking at spyder and match 78 scores from the Orlando Regional are in but none of the teams from either alliances have been updated. All matches after that one have been fine though. If this could please get fixed, we'd all greatly appreciate it :)
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Never mind, it fixed itself :D
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So I was playing around with this app today, specifically with adding favorite teams. I went to check out the favorites tab, and what did I find but "Teh Chezy Pofs" ;)
I'm not sure if it was intentional somehow or not, but I was only able to get it to show once. Regardless, it definitely put a smile on my face today :D |
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Used it at our event.
The prediction system needs, shall we say, A LOT of work. If you can figure out a way to tap into NI Parkway and watch that for team requests that would help. In one match, the winning alliance predicted all had serious issues that were in the Parkway system. Other than that, great as usual. |
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I have no idea what NI Parkway is, it sounds like a local way to keep track of teams that are having robot issues. Tying into that is far from Spyder's realm, we deal with published match data from FIRST. |
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Request for next year:
Improve the prediction system. (it was more entertaining than accurate) Built in screenshot taker? (Bonus mostly) Takes updates from NI Parkway. Help highlight a team's issues and may help the prediction system. Get Rid of the Banner Ads. |
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You realize that they've put a lot of time over the years into making FRC Spyder what it is today, right? It's on multiple app stores, and maintaining that takes a fair amount of work. Banner ads are only welcome. I'm seeing all these posts about OPR and predictions, supposedly from people with Android phones. When will this feature be coming to iOS? |
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Once again expressing my love for this app.
Slight glitch this morning. Team 4522 was a late add to the OKC regional (yesterday, I think), and although they show up in the match schedule, they're not in the team list. |
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Team 4522 is now in the team list. It sometimes takes a little bit of time for team list updates to get into our database. Let us know if you have any other problems. |
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NI Parkway was introduced to keep track of teams with control system issues, coding/CRIO/etc issues. A team puts in a request for help and anyone can respond to it. Last year I diagnosed an issue at a regional in Oregon and I'm in Virginia. There is a notification system where you can get an email or text when an issue appears in your regional. It was developed as a mobile website. I can check with a NI rep and see if they can suggest a way to integrate it. I would like mostly cause it would improve prediction. In a match, it predicted Red Alliance to win. All three Red Alliance robots had issue in Parkway, including one team that's robot wasn't even built yet. So it's more of a bonus thing to help with the more advanced features. |
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And then people would want different ways to weight it differently... And then... and then... Putting aside the fact that you're adding qualitative/subjective data into a purely mathematical OPR "prediction", it is a good example of feature creep. |
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Getting rid of the banner ads? What harm do they do to you? I'm sure they would be glad to remove the ads after you fund the development of this app and pay for all the other expenses. Or are you suggesting that someone pays for this out of pocket so that you don't have to see an ad that is not even in the way? Bashing something that someone donated their time to make and gives to you for free is totally not needed. If you think you can do better certainly do. I love the features this app provides thanks to everyone that works on it! |
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Y'all have obviously put a lot of work and love into this app. All of the mentors (and many of the students) on my team use it intensely during the season, and we're all delighted. I haven't experienced a defect above "Minor" severity over the course of several years of using this app, and even those get fixed faster than most Critical defects in software I've paid for. This is unusual, particularly since you've added new features every year, almost all incredibly spiffy. I really wasn't expecting any new functionality above what we had last year, particularly given the complete redesign, and what you've done here is splendid. Thank you for all your work. ----- I'd like to remind other users that this is a very nice gift horse, and we should not be asking for dental x-rays. We aren't paying for the right to set development priorities - enhancements are a pleasant surprise, not a right. |
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Banners ads were blocked by another app. (But I would pay for it if needed) Prediction system does work but just needs tweaking is all. Right a lot of time. Integrating information from Parkway is a longshot but it would help to consolidate the power of the app, the same way OPR did this year. You could look at one app and see the stats and if a team's flagged for an issue that you could render help on. Just add more power the app's potential. I do apologize if I offended anyone. Mike, it's a great bit of work. Always handy and must have. My rating was a 5 Star from Day one, which I cannot say the same for the Official FRC Game Manual App. If you want a Beta Tester for Older Android devices, let me know. I'm running Android 2.3.x. |
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Thanks pyroslev. The prediction screen, as was stated earlier by a few others, is mostly for entertainment. I'd rather stick to quantitative & mathematical models instead of adding in some subjective and unreliable data (e.g. I peeked at Parkway yesterday and saw that team 126 needed help finding the field; I doubt that was true).
I agree that the official FRC game manual app is pretty bad. It uses a cross-platform framework that doesn't follow the Android design guidelines; it's extremely tough to navigate. At least they got rid of the 5+ second splash screen on start-up that was there a few years ago. I downloaded the unofficial app because it's a lot better. Take a look at the official VEX Toss Up app to see what a quality manual app looks like. Dave, Dave and I created that for VEX. It's hyperlinked, it filters as you type in the search bar, and it has clickable images. Thanks for the offer for beta testing, but I have my own 2.3, 2.3, and 4.4 devices plus the emulator that I can test releases on. Besides, at the frequency I was putting out releases earlier in the year, the beta cycle would have been a few hours. |
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The updated version of FRC Spyder for iOS has been approved by Apple and is available now in the App Store. This version adds OPR, DPR, and CCWM to the rankings page and also adds the OPR-based Match Prediction feature.
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Can I add a (minor) feature request? Would it be possible to add stats to the teams from an event screen *before* the event starts? That is, can you incorporate the seeds, OPRs and whatnot from previous regionals? That would be useful for "pre-scouting" an event. The other pony would be to include each team's robot images that are indexed on thebluealliance.com (what few there are). I'm a visual thinker, so I cannot keep team numbers straight in my head for the life of me :rolleyes: |
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Dave, thanks for all you guys have done for the community with this app. We use it almost exclusively on 1718 for everything from match schedules to checking upcoming matches and whether they're going to be tough or not. I just can't say enough good things about it. Every time anyone asks a question about schedule, or scores, or rank, the answer is 'check spyder'.
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Before this app, I had to send a freshman down to write down the top 8 seeds and had to deal with paper copies of schedules to see when each team was playing. This app has made scouting at the event significantly easier. I'm also amazed how many parents on our team have and use the app. Thank you so much! |
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Back to Spyder, I like going up to people on the end of Friday as people huddle around the pit display either taking pictures or writing stuff down and telling them that there's an app for that. |
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Pressing the "Go" button on the alert view to update the app in the iOS version brings the user to the Play store. |
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Thanks everyone for the positive feedback!
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Any chance of making this app available on the Amazon App Store for the Kindle Fire HD?
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I dont know if its just my phone or if anyone else is having this problem, but Spyder doesnt update information anymore. The "loading" circle just constantly spins and I have to force stop the program to get it to stop.
EDIT: I uninstalled and then re-installed the program and now it updates perfectly. |
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Do you think next year it would be possible to add,
Pit Map: so at a regional if everyone isn't in sequence there is an easy way to find a team then having to memorize where they are.(NYC is all a scrambled mess for pits) Awards: so people could check what awards teams have won(with that maybe have it update you if a team you watch won an award.) Live stream integration: Blue alliance won't always work on my phone to let me watch matches. Team note tabs: when you walk to a team you can put a note tab next to them to later reference.(in pit scouting notes maybe and then be able to send them to each other. And to make notes on how well you played with them, or other important notes.) Those are some ideas i had I don't know if other people have the same ideas or would like them integrated. I understand they may not be possible. Thank you guys for the great app i have been using for years now. It is the go to app i tell people to check out when they say they wanna keep an eye on us at competition. Keep up the good work! |
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More seriously, that's a lot of work for a FREE app, and multi-platform at that. |
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I'm all for ideas, but uh... Spyder isn't magic.
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We'll consider more features for next year, but we're currently too busy with paying jobs to add anything else this year. |
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I actually wrote an app that does this for this season (Android only, I don't know iOS) that does just that. Take a look! https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ks.frcnotebook |
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For anyone thinking of providing a free service to the FRC community (like we do with FRC Spyder), it may be worthwhile to keep in mind that, like us, you'll mostly just receive a steady stream of whining, complaining, and other un-GP verbal abuse. Very few people will ever say "thank you" (but for those who do, we appreciate it!). Mostly, you'll just have people telling you how things are broken (even though they're out of your control), people leaving you 1-star reviews with comments implying you inhale audibly, and so on (note that this is not at all limited to students; we've seen poor behavior from plenty of adults too).
Take, for example, this email we just received (note that it's likely the name and email are fake, so don't trust those): Quote:
Being involved with FRC Spyder has certainly proven to me that while "GP" is generally the rule of thumb on CD, it is definitely NOT a philosophy held by the general FIRST participant/spectator population. |
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Dave & Mike -
First off, thanks for the app and everything it does. Second off, I had no idea who was behind it, so thanks for letting us know. Very cool. Third off, I never complain about free. Fourth off, Can you add a "my ideal draft list" option? That would really make things easy for me. |
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You guys rock, in case we haven't said it enough: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! |
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I wanted to make an attempt to express my gratitude as well. Spyder, while it is true that we still prefer to do our own statistical calculations, has been a near-essential tool for team 4265. A live update of schedule, results, and rankings makes the lives of scouts so much easier. (And helps our drive team out a bit as well!) A thanks from my entire team for all of the hard work you have put into this impressive application.
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I love it and have for many years, thank you so much whoever you are!
The only feature I would like to see, that probably works off the framework in place already, is an "on deck" feature. Basically if a user creates an on deck alert for a team, lets say they are in match 23, when the score for match 22 goes up it gives an alert to the user that the subscribed team is up next. Would help at home or at events to make sure I watch the team in a match. |
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I would like to sincerely thank you for this app. I can not even imagine going through a single day of the competition season without it! Please know that for every annoying, ungrateful person, there are many, many more of us who truly appreciate your efforts!
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THANKS!
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Thank you to everyone involved in FRC Spyder for everything you have done and continue to do for the FIRST community.
[Puts on old man hat] When I started competing in FRC, we had to go back to the monitor in the pits anytime we wanted to check the standings at an event. The only way to know the match schedule was to have a paper copy. And good luck trying to keep track of what was going on at a event you weren't either attending or watching on a webcast (if there even was one). Now you ungrateful kids stop bothering these nice people who are just trying to make life easier for you. And stay off my lawn. [Takes off old man hat] |
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Now that I know who to thank, thanks so much for an awesome app (and at the best price, too!). For every jerk making unreasonable complaints, there's a silent majority who loves the work you do.
And for what it's worth, if you guys need help with developing the Android version of Spyder, let me know, I'd love to chip in - I'm more than competent with the SDK. |
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FRC Spyder is on my home page every competition season. Thank you.
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One application that hit me (and totally a 2015-if-ever thing): predictions in elimination rounds will invariably compute the same numbers for each alliance for all those matches. Once the elimination schedule is set, perhaps it could take that information and predict the bracket?
Spyder saved my butt today when I tried to follow teams at three regionals while doing a demo with my own team! It's a great tool to have in the box. |
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Quick poll of users, especially those at or following the Pacific Northwest district championship. Was Spyder working for you today? We received a single, yet adamant, complaint from a parent who is following her son's team that it wasn't updating. We had no problems with our phones though when we investigated.
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