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sanddrag 20-02-2014 12:14

pic: Team 696 Teaser #2
 

nxtmonkeys 20-02-2014 12:16

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Are those Pneumatic cylinders or shafts or what?

D_Price 20-02-2014 12:18

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They look like a shaft of some sorts? And that is some intricate machining on the parts.

O'Sancheski 20-02-2014 12:21

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Originally Posted by nxtmonkeys (Post 1346847)
Are those Pneumatic cylinders or shafts or what?

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Originally Posted by D_Price (Post 1346851)
They look like a shaft of some sorts? And that is some intricate machining on the parts.

They are shafts for Transmissions. The slot towards the rear is to accommodated the dog gear to allow shifting.

Chris is me 20-02-2014 12:49

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I take it these are your transmission axles, and the step hexing allows for round bearings everywhere while using COTS sprockets.

Impressive work - how was it made?

nxtmonkeys 20-02-2014 12:51

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So there could be two gears or more spun by the motor, and there could also be some free-spinning gears in the middle, as well.

sanddrag 20-02-2014 13:10

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1346878)
I take it these are your transmission axles, and the step hexing allows for round bearings everywhere while using COTS sprockets.

Impressive work - how was it made?

We actually make our sprockets as well, from 7075 bar stock, but they're basically a copy of the AndyMark or VexPro ones. We do use all round bearings in the drive system. That's the benefit of going down to 7/16" hex at the wheels and front and back sprockets. Also, we have no keys anywhere in the robot other than the 2mm key on the CIM motors, but we do use hex bearings (unfortunately) on the choo-ch.....uhh, other gearbox for a few reasons we couldn't easily avoid.

Machining this was a bit of a pain, primarily due to the length of the shaft and number of setups required. The machine shop that did these for us tells me that it was two CNC lathe and two CNC mill setups, with a 4th axis in a vertical machining center. The chatter marks on the 7/16" hex are because they didn't have a tailstock for their 4th axis, so it was sticking way out there.

The right way to do this would be with a live tooled Y axis lathe, or even better, a swiss screw machine. But, we don't (yet) have a sponsor with these types of machines.

Thad House 20-02-2014 13:12

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They are shifting drive shafts, very similar to what 254 and 968 use. The 5/8 round are for the dog gears. The 5/8 Hex is for the shifting dog. Then the 1/2 Hex is for the Drive sprockets. The 1/2 Round then goes through the frame using standard 1/2 inch round bearings instead of Hex. Then the wheel attaches to the 7/16 Hex.

nxtmonkeys 20-02-2014 13:26

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Sounds cool. :cool:

paul_v 20-02-2014 13:46

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Deja-vu

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/29636

sanddrag 20-02-2014 14:17

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Originally Posted by paul_v (Post 1346926)

Yep, that's what we were going for. ;) Our photography student went from almost zero experience with camera settings, to the photo I posted, in just a couple weeks time. The 968 one still is my favorite though, but we're getting better.

waialua359 20-02-2014 17:00

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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1346956)
Yep, that's what we were going for. ;) Our photography student went from almost zero experience with camera settings, to the photo I posted, in just a couple weeks time. The 968 one still is my favorite though, but we're getting better.

Its funny how you thank 968.
Being that you were part of that team, arent you thanking yourself? :)


Kidding.....looks great!

Lil' Lavery 21-02-2014 15:59

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My goodness. I do not envy the machinist who had to make those. Though I envy their capability to do so.

AdamHeard 21-02-2014 16:07

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1347691)
My goodness. I do not envy the machinist who had to make those. Though I envy their capability to do so.

Manual mill and lathe can make these parts without an insane amount of time.

DampRobot 21-02-2014 18:25

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1347696)
Manual mill and lathe can make these parts without an insane amount of time.

You would need some sort of clever jig for machining the hexes on a manual mill though.

R.C. 21-02-2014 18:31

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1347761)
You would need some sort of clever jig for machining the hexes on a manual mill though.

You could use a 5c indexer or a 5c collet block.

Andrew Lawrence 21-02-2014 18:36

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1347761)
You would need some sort of clever jig for machining the hexes on a manual mill though.

Put round shaft on mill, flatten one side, turn 120 degrees, repeat.

Cory 21-02-2014 18:58

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1347761)
You would need some sort of clever jig for machining the hexes on a manual mill though.

http://www.amazon.com/5C-CB-5C-Colle.../dp/B0007Q1Q50

Chris is me 21-02-2014 20:03

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Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence (Post 1347768)
Put round shaft on mill, flatten one side, turn 120 degrees, repeat.

Yeah, making a 120 degree turn without aforementioned "clever jig" isn't exactly easy to do precisely? You need the 5C collet to do it right.

sanddrag 21-02-2014 21:16

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The part is definitely possible with a manual mill and lathe. It would just take some time, a decent machine, and someone who knows what they're doing.

AdamHeard 22-02-2014 00:38

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1347805)
Yeah, making a 120 degree turn without aforementioned "clever jig" isn't exactly easy to do precisely? You need the 5C collet to do it right.

If you really wanted to get around that it wouldn't be that crazy to tilt the head for one pass to get the process rolling.

Buying the $20 collet holder or using a dividing head (which is a fairly standard piece of manual equipment) is certainly easier though.

A basic milling machine w/ no extras can do a lot of things many people assume aren't possible if some basic math is used (which people often overlook and consider cleverness).


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