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Jay O'Donnell 28-02-2014 17:59

Re: 2014 Alamo Regional
 
Just saw the schedule for this and match 90 should be a lot of fun. 118, 624, 2468 all together on the same side.

MattC9 28-02-2014 18:10

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Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1351113)
Just saw the schedule for this and match 90 should be a lot of fun. 118, 624, 2468 all together on the same side.

Watch 66 coming up 118 and 148 opposite alliances.

juchong 28-02-2014 18:49

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Originally Posted by MattC9 (Post 1351116)
Watch 66 coming up 118 and 148 opposite alliances.

That was.... disappointing.

Jaxom 28-02-2014 19:40

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Is Spyder messed up, or are the assist and total scores really low? It shows Alamo at 83 average winning score and 150 as the high assist score. Central Illinois has 120 & 430, respectively. You guys playing ferocious defense or is something else going on?

eddie12390 28-02-2014 20:27

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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1351147)
Is Spyder messed up, or are the assist and total scores really low? It shows Alamo at 83 average winning score and 150 as the high assist score. Central Illinois has 120 & 430, respectively. You guys playing ferocious defense or is something else going on?

Although I can't comment on specifics as I wasn't there, it seemed like there were a lot of weird things going on from the referee/scorekeeping side of things. There were times where it seemed like robots were waiting 30 seconds after scoring a ball for their pedestal to be lit up for the next cycle to begin.

Abhishek R 28-02-2014 20:50

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Originally Posted by eddie12390 (Post 1351161)
Although I can't comment on specifics as I wasn't there, it seemed like there were a lot of weird things going on from the referee/scorekeeping side of things. There were times where it seemed like robots were waiting 30 seconds after scoring a ball for their pedestal to be lit up for the next cycle to begin.

I haven't been watching any other regionals since I've been busy with matches, but we are waiting till the ball goes fully through the goal (often they hit the inside bar and bounce up and down till the ball bounces back into the field again) to light up the pedestal.

EDIT: By "we" I mean human players.

wt200999 28-02-2014 21:19

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Based on the FMS twitter, we have seen that:

A total of 72 qualification matches were played.

The average score by each alliance is 56.6 split by
  • Autonomous: 30.4%
  • Teleop 37.4%
  • Fouls 32.2%

Additionally the percent of matches, in which fouls changed the outcome was 15.27%, 8 matches favoring blue, and 3 matches favoring red. This was calculated by looking at who won the matches before and after fouls, and noting the difference.

safiq10 28-02-2014 22:10

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Hey does anyone know where we could find interviews that were taken in the social media lounge/Station? Our FTC/FRC team member had an interview and we are looking for the interview since we have a huge event tomorrow morning. If anyone knows where it is that be great!

tim-tim 28-02-2014 22:20

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Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1351179)
I haven't been watching any regionals since I've been busy with matches, but we are waiting till the ball goes fully through the goal (often they hit the inside bar and bounce up and down till the ball bounces back into the field again) to light up the pedestal.

Please define who "we" is in your response.

The rules say once the ball is completely through the plane, the ball is scored. If the ball goes completely through the plane of the goal why is "we" waiting to light the pedestal? There is nothing in the rule book that states the pedestal should not be lit until the ball is "known to not re-enter the field". The current implementation seems a far from the intent of the rule.

Either way, FIRST needs to update the field (similar to 2012's deflectors under the bridge) to vastly reduce the event of a ball completely crossing the plane of the goal and then re-entering field of play.

Caleb Sykes 28-02-2014 22:27

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Originally Posted by tim-tim (Post 1351196)
The rules say once the ball is completely through the plane, the ball is scored.

Notice that there are 2 clauses to this statement:

Quote:

A BALL is considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S GOAL if

a ROBOT causes one (1) of their ALLIANCE’S BALLS to cross completely and remain completely through the opening(s) of one (1) of their ALLIANCE’S GOALS...
The refs are doing the correct thing right now by waiting until the ball will not bounce back. That doesn't mean any of us like it (I certainly don't) but the blame for situations like these should not go to the refs.

tim-tim 28-02-2014 22:35

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I stand corrected.

I'm not sure how I looked over that before posting. So when a ball gets stuck in the rails (I saw it happen on webcasts a few times), the ball being scored or not depends on which way it rolls when the volunteers free the ball? Yes, this a very frustrating catch to the rule. I guess FIRST should put these types of things in their "cheapman's drawings" for the goals as well. They seem to be making quite a difference.

A solution should be developed to help avoid these circumstances.

Ekcrbe 28-02-2014 23:26

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Originally Posted by inkling16 (Post 1351200)
Notice that there are 2 clauses to this statement:



The refs are doing the correct thing right now by waiting until the ball will not bounce back. That doesn't mean any of us like it (I certainly don't) but the blame for situations like these should not go to the refs.

The description I'm seeing from some people here on CD is that there is a significant gap (15-30 seconds in some cases) between the ball being scored and the pedestal being lit. Whether the pedestal should light up as the ball passes through the goal or when it is apparent it will not return to play doesn't sound like the issue. It seems, rather, that for some reason there is a significant delay beyond that occasionally. I haven't noticed any instances of it myself, but I have only been keeping one eye on a computer screen when I can during school to see some matches, so I could have missed it.

Caleb Sykes 28-02-2014 23:57

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I didn't really phrase that second statement well. What I meant was that none of us like that the ball can bounce back from the inside of the goal after being scored.

As for the rest of my post, I was speaking in response to tim-tim.

Mr. Tatorscout 02-03-2014 21:38

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Anybody got the scoop on what happened in the Semifinal with the #3 alliance?
3103 died irreparably and a replacement came out but something happened with 190 as well. I heard some strange stories from frustrated alliance members about why they didn't come back onto the field. Probably just a misunderstanding.

PayneTrain 02-03-2014 21:48

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Originally Posted by Mr. Tatorscout (Post 1352254)
Anybody got the scoop on what happened in the Semifinal with the #3 alliance?
3103 died irreparably and a replacement came out but something happened with 190 as well. I heard some strange stories from frustrated alliance members about why they didn't come back onto the field. Probably just a misunderstanding.

I'm sure 190 was the frustrated alliance member. I think their drive blew up twice over the weekend.


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