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Baxter Bomb Squad 2014 ~ Nighthawk
We are proud to present you with this year's Baxter Bomb Squad robot: Nighthawk! Inspired by the triumphant F-117 Nighthawk stealth bomber's breathtaking visual features, our team this year put an exceptional ball-launching robot to compete in this year's game. Please visit www.baxterbombsquad.com for more information about our team!
http://youtu.be/lcsi4zBwIjc Send me a PM if you want a higher resolution image or images of our mechanisms (the mechanisms may take a bit of time depending on if I am at the Bomb Shelter [our shop] or not). |
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I love it!!!
See ya at Arkansas |
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That auto.
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Man you guys are always so incredible! Shout out from your cousins here in Chicago:D Hopefully we'll meet up at Nationals!
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Set the bar high for a 3 ball auto
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I wish I could see what the game would look like played with six of these.
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Amazing job as always. Looking forward to seeing you at the Arkansas Regional again this year.
Can't wait to check out your bot in person! |
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Wow this is a game tailor-made for you guys to succeed-
Wide-open field for swerve and a game piece made for a catapult. Incredible robot this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see you on Einstein once again. |
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I knew the second the game was revealed, it was literally built for your team. Turns out I was correct. I can't wait for queen city. :D
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Thanks for all the kind words everybody. We're really proud of our robot, so it's nice to hear it from y'all. ;)
If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. We'll check in here regularly to answer what we can. |
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Beautiful machine. Your swerve seems a bit faster than usual - what speeds are you running it at?
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P.S. To answer, we run at about 12-13 FPS in reality [geared for about 16 fps, but stress is a real thing]. Thanks for the questions, I hope I answered them fully! Please do not hesitate to ask any other questions about our robot, as we would be glad to answer them. I am more keen on answering mechanical questions and I'm sure Jefferson will be on top of any questions regarding the robot's programming time permitting. -John Taylor Novak |
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Wow. Hands down the most effective robot I've seen thus far.
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great looking robot! love the swerve...your team is the best around that does it!
question about the intake...how does the wheeled shaft interface with the lexan "arms"? looks like the shaft goes into a metal plate, that is in turn attached to the lexan. chain or similar running down to the robot to the motor? any close up pictures available? |
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Wow. Best one robot I've seen so far. Awesome work
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Awesome, awesome, awesome!
We "borrowed" from your 2008 ball pick-up design and it proved to be most effective at the pre-bag scrimmage. Thanks for the inspiration! Have a great year and see you in St. Louis! |
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My only regret this season is I wont be able to see this robot in person. Another great robot by the Baxter Bomb Squad. I have seen all your robots in person since 2002, this one definitely beats all of them when it comes to efficiency and effectiveness.
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![]() -John Taylor Novak P.S: Unfortunately, I don't think I am able to give CAD models until the season is over due to the nature of the competition, but I'm more than happy to provide pictures of the models for a rough reference to the overall idea. :) |
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Wow, that's quite a cool concept! The last time I've been this excited is when I found out how your swerve drive works:D Innovative ideas as always!
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That 3 ball autonomous mode is awesome! I hope my team gets to our goal of a 2 ball autonomous before our week 1 competition
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Nice to see this thing finally public. Hopefully I'll be able to stick my head inside and talk swerve with you guys at CMP this year.
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wow, now this will make Arkansas regional even more interesting! Can't wait to watch yall drive circles around us and most of the other robots again!:p It really looks great, yall did a really good job this season. How did I know that yall would do a catapult? Gut feeling I guess?
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This Bomb Squad machine looks to be one of your most competitive yet. Thanks again for the inspiration on the intake, FRC558 is running a polycarbonate armed, motor in roller, intake as well this year.
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![]() As a side note, we built a small cam driven catapult last year for a non FRC project, and experimented with a notch in the cam to prevent back driving. It worked, but we found there to be a large current spike when the motor was trying to get the follower out of the notch. |
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We had a similar profile you describe, just not as long on the flat. Hitting that small window right before the roll over was tough. We also like the idea of being mechanically locked in there. We do get a pretty significant current spike coming out of the notch. I watched our practice bit spike over 60A the other night. It took us several rounds to get the slope flat enough come back out to reliably fire. Btw, y'all's robot looks very nice again this year. Good luck out there. |
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And, I'll absolutely come over and geek out. :) |
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Our 2013 code is up here if you want to see how we inplemented commands: https://github.com/FRCTeam16/TMW2013 I guess we are using commands one place this year, dashboard buttons. We have two or three things we need to do infrequently enough that don't need to be accidentally pressed on the joystick. Commands make that very easy. |
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Interestingly, I felt similarly when I tried to use CPP for commands last year. Since switching to Java I found Command base was fairly simple and it meant a good chunk of our code was much cleaner than comparable other methods. I know it has allowed us to iterate our code far faster. I'll have to dig into this code and take a look at your new code at CMP this year. Of course, my day job is primarily ruby/javascript code so that could explain why CPP felt less intuitive. |
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Could you provide some details about your swerve drive design? Such as wheel size, steering gearing, drive gearing, slip rings, or coaxial.
Our team did independent swerve drive for the first time this year. Thanks in advance. |
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Does your pickup mechanism have to pick up and pass on the ground, or can you accept a pass directly from another robot by pulling the arm up and running the rollers in?
It appears there are a couple of bars on your shooter that stick up, but they seem to flex when the ball enters the robot in the video. Would those bars or the intake dimensions prevent you from taking a bumper to bumper pass? |
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https://github.com/FRCTeam16/Macys2014 We have several robots on that GitHub site, but this one is probably the cleanest for swerve drive code. |
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I didn't really want to start a new thread for one match video, but here is our 2014 robot in action this weekend! We still have some improvements to make before Queen City. (The balls were much more inflated than we expected at the competition, causing a bit of trouble in auto, but all should be worked out very soon)
http://youtu.be/F3zLJZjHv_s |
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So that was fun to watch, but I can't figure out why the defenders never so much as bumped you while you shot? I would've thought they'd be clobbering you???
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Is that the same model you guys used in Nighthawk? And where can I find it, is it in Andy Mark? Im a big fan of your work, greetings from team Roult 4403 :)
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The model shown is our 2014 model. The CAD models for the 2014 season will be available following the World Championship upon request. Unfortunately, our swerve modules cannot be purchased from any vendor such as AndyMark as they were designed and manufactured by our team. They are the result of 8 years of development and much frustration. The part shown is only half of the equation however, as the modules must be programmed.
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The maximum speed with this gearing configuration should be about 14 fps right? Is that Nighthawks's speed?
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How do you get alignment of the "tower" to the wheel support structure? How do you assure center to center alignment? and then how do you assure perpendicularity of the tower to its mating piece at the bottom. Is it just a matter of being very careful with conventional tooling, do you somehow machine it as one assembly or is there some other hidden trick you can reveal? I would think this would be particularly important, doubly so because of your integral, custom bearing assembly. |
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![]() (I circled the two channels for the ball bearings. Also, that sprocket is NOT floating, it is being held up by a piece of delrin that cannot be seen in the part section view.) The two black plates sandwich the BBs between them and act as the thrust bearing. I felt the need to add pictures of the plates themselves. The smaller round one is hidden just above the blue 3D printed part that is an unmentioned experiment for this year. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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Thank you for such a complete response regarding information on your swerve module design and manufacture.
We tried swerve a few years ago and while we eventually got it to mostly work, it co-opted some of the time that perhaps we should of spent on other subsystems. We haven't completely given up on it, but it certainly isn't a favored approach right now. As implied in the thread above, the software and control part of this takes work as well. There is a kind of elegance to pieces of your design that I admire. |
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I can send (and have sent) a private message to anyone wondering what the slip ring model is.
-John Taylor Novak |
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Hello JTN. i am Tristan Shepard (aka Skippy), I am a student and am part of our pit crew with (kyEOT) or (Engineers of Tomorrow team 2783). we had talked to your pit crew and some of your mentors ate the Queen City Regional, we talked to you all about how you made your swerve. They said if we wanted the CAD we just had to contacted you all. we used the wild swerve from andymark but saw a lot that could be improved on it. I was wondering if our team could get the CAD for your swerve module that your team used. Thanks. Skippy
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Why did you use 6 inch wheels over 4 inch ones? As far as I can tell, I think that 4 inch wheels would make the entire assembly smaller and lighter while needing less gear reduction. Any reason why I'm wrong?
How are the grooves for the thrust bearing cut? |
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I have couple more questions too: 1. What's that pneumatic cylinder doing in your CAD render!? It really caught me off guard. 2. What is the experimental 3D printed part below your thrust bearing? |
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After playing around with some math and CAD, I realized that smaller wheels mean smaller reductions, which either means that the intermediary shaft has to get closer to the CIM, or the sprocket on the wheel has to get bigger and closer to the ground. I think that a 24/60 gear reduction with a 16/40 chain run will fit, but just barely. (EDIT: 24/64 and 16/38 fits better). The smaller wheel also reduces the space for the thrust bearing, but I think I can get it, or a thinner solution, to fit. These issues might be fixable by a first stage belt like 192 has recently used, but I have no experience with these. |
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I had the chance this past weekend to see their swerve pods in-person, including the experimental one with the 3D printed blue plate. I'd like to thank the members of Team 16 for answering all my questions with patience.
In the picture posted, the piston is located under the black mounting plate, and adjacent to the blue one (its the grey cylindrical object in the cad). From what they told me, it was designed to test out and eliminate the twitching that the modules may have when trying to drive in a straight line. Because the control system tries to compensate the drift, and then over-corrects the action, the piston would lock in to the appropriate groove when needed and make sure the robot drives in a straight line. They did mention that they would have to do some more testing with the current design since the motor was able to overcome the piston lock fairly easily. |
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Regardless of my mixed feelings about this. I'd be very interested to hear if it helped or not. |
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-John Taylor Novak P.S. As of now the CAD models have not yet been released to the public but I can supply images of the model instead. |
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The cylinder was intended to improve two issues. 1. We currently calibrate the wheel positions by rotating them all straight and running a task to save the voltage from the encoders as the reference values. These are saved to a file and used as the offset from then on. The cylinders would allow more precise mechanical positioning for that. 2. We would use them to ensure home position at the start of the match. notches around the perimeter of the bearing plate could allow accurate re-positioning at 45 deg or 90 deg or other intervals. The cylinders are not intended to force the module to a position. when extended, the module software would oscillate at low energy around the setpoint until the cylinder is seated in the detent. This would be detected by a cylinder mounted limit switch on each wheel. Obviously this was not required for autonomous success this year. We are always trying to mop up limitations of the hardware and software for the next time precision is needed. |
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