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EricLeifermann 25-02-2014 16:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_B (Post 1349591)
I agree multi-ball auto is featured in quite a few reveals. However, who is programming an auto mode that is "leave the ball and go for the colored zone?" I mean balls have to touch a robot and very few videos have shown that. They simply start with two balls in the vicinity of their machine.
Balls do not have to touch robots.

XaulZan11 25-02-2014 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1349596)
Balls do not have to touch robots.
They do if you want the 5 mobility points.

Abhishek R 25-02-2014 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_B (Post 1349591)
I agree multi-ball auto is featured in quite a few reveals. However, who is programming an auto mode that is "leave the ball and go for the colored zone?" I mean balls have to touch a robot and very few videos have shown that. They simply start with two balls in the vicinity of their machine.
If a team is running a 2-ball autonomous mode, that likely means one robot on the alliance is not capable of scoring the ball themselves. If they can't score the ball, they will probably still get the mobility points, which the easiest way to accomplish is to just drive forward into your zone. So why not just have a corner of their bot touching the ball and then they can drive forward off to the side?

barn34 25-02-2014 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1349596)
Balls do not have to touch robots.
Actually, Eric, you may want to double check the wording of G5...



"G5



For ROBOTS starting in the white ZONE, the TEAM may preload one (1) of their ALLIANCE’s BALLS such that the BALL is touching their ROBOT.

For ROBOTS starting in their GOALIE ZONE the TEAM may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

If a ROBOT does not report to a MATCH, its ALLIANCE may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

Violation: If the situation is not corrected before the start of the MATCH, TECHNICAL FOUL per BALL improperly staged."


I've interpretted that as in order for a ball to be placed on the field in autonomous, it must be touching a robot to be considered 'loaded'. Exception, of course, is if you place that robot in the goalie zone.

That means, if you've already loaded your robot with a ball, you have to place a robot you may be 2 balling with such that it is in contact with that ball and you are not. Again, unless the robot that ball 'belongs' to is positioned in the goalie zone.

At least that how I've interpretted it. Did I interpret that wrong? If you were only referring to the goalie zone instance, then feel free to kick me when you see me in Milwaukee. lol ;)

EricLeifermann 25-02-2014 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1349601)
Actually, Eric, you may want to double check the wording of G5...



"G5



For ROBOTS starting in the white ZONE, the TEAM may preload one (1) of their ALLIANCE’s BALLS such that the BALL is touching their ROBOT.

For ROBOTS starting in their GOALIE ZONE the TEAM may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

If a ROBOT does not report to a MATCH, its ALLIANCE may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

Violation: If the situation is not corrected before the start of the MATCH, TECHNICAL FOUL per BALL improperly staged."


I've interpretted that as in order for a ball to be placed on the field in autonomous, it must be touching a robot to be considered 'loaded'. Exception, of course, is if you place that robot in the goalie zone.

That means, if you've already loaded your robot with a ball, you have to place a robot you may be 2 balling with such that it is in contact with that ball and you are not. Again, unless the robot that ball 'belongs' to is positioned in the goalie zone.

At least that how I've interpretted it. Did I interpret that wrong?
You're correct, and I'm aware of that rule. It is the one in which I was referring to. I'm not going to just give people answers, I'm going to make them think about what I said and look into the rule book, that way they remember.

barn34 25-02-2014 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1349602)
Your correct, and I'm aware of that rule. It is the one in which I was referring to. I'm not going to just give people answers, I'm going to make them think about what I said and look into the rule book, that way they remember.
lol. well then feel free to kick me at Wisconsin then. :D

XaulZan11 25-02-2014 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1349601)
Did I interpret that wrong? If you were only referring to the goalie zone instance, then feel free to kick me when you see me in Milwaukee. lol ;)
Or, if he referring to telling non-broken alliances partners to sit out a match so the autonomous ball doesn't need to be touching a robot. But, I think you are right. :cool:

Woolly 25-02-2014 18:22
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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1349610)
Or, if he referring to telling non-broken alliances partners to sit out a match so the autonomous ball doesn't need to be touching a robot. But, I think you are right. :cool:
I doubt that would go over well with the team you're telling to sit out. Telling a team to put the ball next to their robot and then play defense is sometimes a bit hard to negotiate as is. Telling a team that that you think their potential output for that match is less than 1 autonomous high goal shot is a great way to get dirty looks from everyone on that team for the remainder of the event.

Justin Montois 25-02-2014 20:17
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We're going live in just under an hour! Help us spread the word!

https://new.livestream.com/accounts/...events/2796478

Tem1514 Mentor 25-02-2014 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1349598)
They do if you want the 5 mobility points.
Please, please point me to the rule that says I MUST load a ball for Mobility points.

TheMadCADer 25-02-2014 22:39
Re: [FRCTop25.com] Week 1 Preview Show!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tem1514 Mentor (Post 1349694)
Please, please point me to the rule that says I MUST load a ball for Mobility points.
You're misinterpreting what they meant when they said that. Their point was that goalies can't score Mobility points.

Banderoonies 25-02-2014 22:55
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A topic I'd like to hear about is maybe your top 5 unusual design features you found interesting during premier night.

Mike Starke 25-02-2014 23:03
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Hey everyone! Thank you all so much for tuning in and provided topics for discussion. This was one of the best, and most fun shows Justin and I have ever done!

To catch the archive from tonight's show, head on over to our channel at https://www.new.livestream.com/FRCTop25, and scroll down to "Archived Events" and click on "Week 1 Preview"! Don't forget to vote this week, and we'll see you all next Tuesday!

XaulZan11 25-02-2014 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Woolly (Post 1349648)
I doubt that would go over well with the team you're telling to sit out. Telling a team to put the ball next to their robot and then play defense is sometimes a bit hard to negotiate as is. Telling a team that that you think their potential output for that match is less than 1 autonomous high goal shot is a great way to get dirty looks from everyone on that team for the remainder of the event.
I know. I was 100% joking.


I couldn't make the live show, but hope to watch it in the next day or so.

Tem1514 Mentor 26-02-2014 08:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadCADer (Post 1349738)
You're misinterpreting what they meant when they said that. Their point was that goalies can't score Mobility points.
Phew, I though there was something that I was missing and was loosing my mind. Of course snow men don't have mind anyway.

And for sure goalies can't score Mobility points.


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