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Andrew Schreiber 27-02-2014 11:15

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1350491)
Some fairly obviously needed to get their collector out of the way.

Smart-arse :p

We do? ;)

Steven Donow 27-02-2014 11:22

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
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Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 1350492)
We do? ;)

Not always ;)

jijiglobe 27-02-2014 12:32

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
I think that teams can get around defense fairly easily by passing to their human players who can pass to another robot on the alliance. This may mean passing backwards across the field but its a lot of bonus points if carried out properly. It will also be really hard to block truss shots because they can go anywhere (even backwards over the truss) and will be incredibly hard to block. Auton points definitely won't be the only factor but they make a big difference.

seanthompson 27-02-2014 12:49

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
You don't get points for passing over the truss backwards, only forwards. Two defensive robots on one alliance will seriously clog up the field, and most of the shooters won't be able to pass/shoot over a 5' wall that is right on their bumper. As long as the defender can stay in front of the robot with the ball, they have effectively stopped all offense for the opposing alliance. And a robot that has two defenders on it will have a lot of trouble making a controlled pass to another teammate. Personally, I think that there could be a lot of boring to watch, defensive matches. On the flip side, the strategies that teams come up with will be really cool to see in action, if they work.

Caleb Sykes 27-02-2014 12:54

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
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Originally Posted by seanthompson (Post 1350528)
You don't get points for passing over the truss backwards, only forwards...

Please quote the rule that says this.

Steven Donow 27-02-2014 12:55

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inkling16 (Post 1350530)
Please quote the rule that says this.

Per section 3.1.4:

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A BALL is considered SCORED over the TRUSS if a ROBOT causes a BALL to pass though the infinitely tall plane that is bounded by the top of the TRUSS and the TRUSS POLES toward the ALLIANCE’S GOALS (e.g. a red BALL towards the red GOALS). This plane is depicted in yellow in Figure 3-3.

Caleb Sykes 27-02-2014 13:04

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
Wow, I have read the rules through and through multiple times, and I still managed to miss that point. Not that it should come into play very often though. Regardless, one of the most important things to know about a game is how points are scored, so I thank you guys for showing me that point.

zinthorne 28-02-2014 00:28

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
We have to lower our intake too shoot, but i am not too worried about it, because it is well supported by the frame, and is almost all nearly 20" off the floor. I also think that most robots will be able to avoid their feeder systems being broken with driver practice, because they will know when to lift the arm better.

rcmolloy 28-02-2014 02:27

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
As I have heard time and time again from coaches and others...

"Offense wins games (matches), defense wins championships."

With that said, we're 100% ready.

jijiglobe 28-02-2014 12:53

Re: Is your robot defense ready?
 
While it makes sense that it would be easy to defend robots from passing to each other but there are more options. A fast turning drive train would be able to turn to one of the human players and pass to them very quickly as it would be much easier for a human player to catch the ball than another robot. This means that they can turn and pass quickly without worrying about it too much. The human player can then pass to another robot and I imagine it would be really difficult to block the opposing human player as they have a very fast and versatile drive train along with a shooter with a huge range of shot types.


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