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Hallry

01-04-2014 18:20

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1368045)

The main question is would they still be allowed to submit for Chairmans at DCMP without registering robot wise?

I don't see why not. 321 won EI at the MAR DCMP last year without competing robot wise (they didn't make the point cut-off).

Ken Best

01-04-2014 20:15

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Of the 18 District slots, 8 are for "Designated Awards": 2 CA, 2 EI, 1 RAS, 3 MAR CMP winners. (There can be one additional slot taken if the Winning Alliance had a substitute team included.) These slots cannot got to any other team, in particular, the winning alliance slots are not "passed down" to the ranking slot pool if a member of the winning alliance has qualified for the Worlds in another way.

If the MARCMP CA, EI are the 1st designated award teams, how are the two second teams decided?

Lil' Lavery

01-04-2014 20:40

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Best (Post 1368127)

If the MARCMP CA, EI are the 1st designated award teams, how are the two second teams decided?

Two Chairman's Awards and two EI awards are given out at the event.

Ken Best

01-04-2014 20:49

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Missed that one, Thanks.

nlknauss

01-04-2014 21:33

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1368044)

I ran the new system with last year's results. If we have a 55 team MAR championship like this year then teams 4460, 203 and 4653 would be in with the new system while teams 357, 1647 and 223 would not be. Due to teams declining their invitation to MAR champs 4460 and 203 were invited last year anyway. 203 did not attend the region championship.

Thanks for posting this Antonio, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the point distribution and rankings. As as mentioned in earlier posts in this thread, it's tough to factor strength of schedule/event into the scoring system. Hopefully the points ranking committee is going to reconvene after seeing the system in action after a year and talk over some of the pros and cons. Strength of events is something that is larger than just what we see here in MAR, you see it are regionals and probably other Districts too. Maybe it will even out a little if District swapping comes to us in the future? Will certainly be tough to balance.

BeardyMentor

02-04-2014 08:30

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by nlknauss (Post 1367998)

I'm just wondering if the nature of this year's game has a lot to do with it in how some of the role player type robots have found a niche and a part of this year's game.

Nate

I think that this years game is a great change. It rewards alliance teamwork as well as individual team achievement. It really emphasizes alliance robot interaction and prevents one amazing robot on the field from running away with the game.

quad	02-04-2014 10:39

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

one spot left:

invited - 4954

next in line - 1712

Link07

02-04-2014 12:26

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

4954 has accepted their spot.

And with that, all 55 slots to MAR Champs 2014 have been filled. Looks to be another awesome event!

quad	02-04-2014 12:40

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

As was noted the field is set.

2/5 Rookie teams qualified
1/9 Sophomore teams qualified
4/9 Third year teams qualified
4/5 District EI winners qualified w/ their robots
2/4 District RAS winners qualified w/ their robots

38 of this year's top 55 by rank were also in last years top 55
34/50 teams in the 2013 MAR CMP are returning to the 2014 MAR CMP

scottandme

02-04-2014 13:49

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Back down to 54 teams - 486 dropped off the list sometime today.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=4

Still a much higher acceptance % than in previous years - maybe a result of increased MAR grants?

Steven Donow

02-04-2014 14:47

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottandme (Post 1368422)

I also think it has to do with the additional week between the last district and MAR Champs. I remember last year the last spot being given pretty far down the line due to teams who rejected because they simply couldn't plan the trip in <1 week. And we still ended up one team short of being full.

Do you have the stats/data on rejections for 2012?

quad	02-04-2014 15:11

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Mentioned it in a post in this thread back here for last year, 2013

Here's details if you want:

Code:

Rank        Team #        Points        Reg        Reg

                        MAR        FIRST

                        CMP        CMP

1        341        135                Y

2        2590        130        Y        

3        1676        121        Y        

4        225        120        Y        

5        316        118        Y        

6        11        114        Y        Y

7        3974        105        Y        

8        103        103        Y        Y

9        293        101        Y        

10        2729        100        Y        

11        56        97        Y        

12        3314        97        Y        Y

13        365        94                Y

14        2607        91        Y        

15        222        88        Y        

16        303        86        Y        

17        1640        80        Y        

18        193        77        Y        

19        4575        77        Y        

20        816        75        Y        

21        2016        74                Y

22        272        72        Y        

23        1218        69        Y        

24        1089        68        Y        

25        1403        66        Y        

26        486        66        Y        

27        714        65        Y        

28        2539        65        Y        

29        4285        63        Y        

30        25        62                Y

31        75        62        Y        

32        1367        60        Y        

33        869        60        Y        

34        1391        58        Y        

35        219        57                

36        1228        57        Y        

37        224        53        Y        

38        433        53        Y        

39        1495        52                

40        1143        52        Y        

41        1881        52        Y        

42        4361        51                

43        1279        51        Y        

44        1370        51        Y        

45        2559        51        Y        

46        1626        51        Y        

47        3340        50        Y        

48        4475        49        Y        

49        4342        48        Y        

50        3123        47                

51        136        47                

52        357        47        Y        

53        223        46        Y        

54        1647        46                

55        2495        45        Y        

56        1672        43        Y        

57        1302        42        Y        

58        1807        42                

59        555        42                

60        4460        42        Y        

61        1923        41        Y        

62        3151        41                

63        1168        41                

64        203        40                

65        484        39        Y

don't have the 2012 data off hand

scottandme

02-04-2014 17:47

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1368453)

MAR 2012 here, green team number for teams @ MARCMP. Not as neatly organized, and I only filled data for some of the teams to determine WCMP bids.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...0E&usp=sharing

nlknauss

02-04-2014 18:30

I also think it's a sign of the District model maturing in our region. Teams seem to be doing a better job preparing for and planning to attend the region championship as a part of their season. I also don't want to diminish the work MAR has done to make grants available to teams to attend too. They've really done an excellent job of making Districts work well for all teams.

Foster

02-04-2014 18:41

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

So is 1712 on the list for this weekend?

Lil' Lavery

02-04-2014 23:16

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foster (Post 1368562)

So is 1712 on the list for this weekend?

As of 5:00, we had not yet received an invitation.

scottandme

03-04-2014 09:33

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

We're down to 53 teams now - with 103 dropping off the list of registered teams. So it would seem that 1712 and 4373 are the two teams next in the queue. Pretty odd to have so many teams showing as registered and then dropping off the list.

Lil' Lavery

03-04-2014 10:10

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

We just received our invitation email. Seeing as they listed us as registered before we could even respond, I think that lends some clues as to why teams were appearing on the registered list and then being removed. We are planning to attend, and our excited that 4373 will have an opportunity to as well!

ThunderPorpoise

03-04-2014 10:51

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

4373 here. We have yet to receive our email but we're excited to have the opportunity to attend.

ThunderPorpoise

03-04-2014 22:00

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quick update: we received our email and are registered to attend! Which I believe is the last spot filled if no one else drops. Good luck to everyone, see you there.

Link07

15-04-2014 17:13

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

According to this list team 56 is the only qualified team not currently registered to Champs. Does anybody know if they plan on attending?

The next team in would be Team 869.

Edit* Just saw 357 is registered. Does anybody know how they got in?

Domenic Rodriguez

15-04-2014 17:17

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1374276)

According to this list team 56 is the only qualified team not currently registered to Champs. Does anybody know if they plan on attending?

The next team in would be Team 869.

Team 869 tweeted this morning that they have been invited to Champs: https://twitter.com/869powercord/sta...79668344729601

Link07

15-04-2014 17:21

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomenicR (Post 1374278)

Team 869 tweeted this morning that they have been invited to Champs: https://twitter.com/869powercord/sta...79668344729601

Oh yes I completely forgot to check if 869 was registered :rolleyes:

AGPapa

15-04-2014 17:37

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

So all teams announced at MAR Champs are registered for St. Louis except for 56. Two new teams have registered, 869 and 357. If 56 declined their invitation then it would make sense for 869 to be invited. I'm not sure why 357 was invited, but I have two ideas.

1. Waitlist- Their's only room for a handful of teams on the waitlist this year, so the chances that 357 got in on this are pretty slim.

2. The wording of the "reverse wildcard" clause in the Standardized points system is "if a District Team does earn a slot at the FIRST Championship while attending a Regional event, that slot does count against the total Championship allocation the District is receiving for the season." This can be interpreted as allowing another points slot to be created if a HoF teams wins the Region Championship (which 341 did) and a team qualified outside of the region (which also happened). Their could actually be 8 point slots this year. The wording of this clause is very confusing and I hope FIRST publishes supplemental rules for the districts next year to prevent this confusion.

Link07

15-04-2014 17:39

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1374291)

Their could actually be 8 point slots this year. The wording of this clause is very confusing and I hope FIRST publishes supplemental rules for the districts next year to prevent this confusion.

For this explanation, team 75 would have had to decline their invite

Steven Donow

15-04-2014 17:41

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1374293)

For this explanation, team 75 would have had to decline their invite

I was told (unofficially) that 75 would have likely ended up declining their spot had they eventually gained one.

AGPapa

16-04-2014 09:45

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Donow (Post 1374295)

I was told (unofficially) that 75 would have likely ended up declining their spot had they eventually gained one.

Team 75 is now registered to attend the FIRST Championship.

I don't understand what's going on anymore. We are now sending two more teams than were announced at MAR Champs.

Link07

16-04-2014 09:55

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

I was told 357 got in by waitlist.

Kevin Phan

16-04-2014 10:07

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

I can say that we got in by waitlist, I am not sure of enough teams declining their invitation after champs. We were 3 slots away from qualifying on points though.

Hallry

16-04-2014 10:12

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1374547)

I don't understand what's going on anymore.... We are now sending two more teams than were announced at MAR Champs.

Phew, glad I'm not the only one :yikes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1374547)

Team 75 is now registered to attend the FIRST Championship.

But, huge congrats to the RoboRaiders! I couldn't think of a more deserving team; I was shocked that they didn't win E.I. or Chairman's at MAR Champs after being eligible for both. Best of luck in St. Louis! I always admire you guys.

Hallry

16-04-2014 14:40

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Sorry for the double-post, but to clear some things up:

1. According to this FRC Blog post,, "These allocated slots are guaranteed to the Districts. These slots will be made up of qualifying award winners from the District Championship (for example, the Chairman’s Award winners), along with any qualifying award winners among district teams who traveled to Regionals, plus the teams on the final District ranking list, as deep in the ranking list as the district needs to go to fill their allocation." So, no matter what, it sounds like MAR will send 21 teams. 3 Hall of Fame Teams + 18 unique other teams.

2. The blog post also says "Pre-qualified teams from a District do not count against their slot allocation. Districts are able to send to the FIRST Championship the number of unique teams allocated to them using the proportional representation model, plus their unique pre-qualified teams." Thus, since 341, a pre-qualified HoF team won MAR Champs, MAR was able to send another unique team via points.

3. It also says "As noted in the summary document, District teams earning FIRST Championship slots at Regionals do count against the District allocation. Even though a District team may earn their FIRST Championship slot at a Regional, they are still from the District and can be considered part of the District contingent to the Championship." Since 11 also won MAR Champs, I guess they took a Winner slot instread of taking a point slot. This means that the total point slot allocations, after 225, 2016, and 2067 took three away from the original 10, but 341 gave back one by winning Lehigh, is 8.

4. 1089, 222, 2180, 193, 56, 1640, and 484 were the next top 7th ranked teams in MAR. It was announced after MAR Champs that they would all get all get an invitation to St. Louis. Although many people expected there to only by 6 slots, the 7th slot was because MORT blackholed a winner spot instead of a points slot.

3. However, unrealized by most, since 341 also won MAR Champs, there were actually 8 point slots, as I mentioned in #2. 869 was the 8th next highest ranked team, so although it wasn't said at MAR Champs, they got the St. Louis slot that was revived by 341 winning, which they accepted.

4. 56 unfortunately declined their point slot to St. Louis, so it was passed onto the next top ranked team (ranked 9th), Team 75, who accepted it.

5. 357 seems to have registered for St. Louis via an official waitlist slot. Interestingly, I can't find any other teams that have done the same, though. It just so seems to have happened that they were the next top ranked team in MAR after 75.

But, I could be wrong. :)

quad	16-04-2014 14:41

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

yes that is basically correct.

MAR website updated with FRC Divisions (including Teams 869 and 75 from Rankings and Team 357 off of the wait list)

Good Luck Teams

AGPapa

16-04-2014 18:28

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

Another MAR team, 714, has signed up for the FIRST Championship.

Hallry

16-04-2014 18:29

Re: 2014 MAR Standings

And, it now seems that Team 714, Panthera, from Newark, NJ, is now registered for St. Louis as well via the waitlist, and is on Galileo. That's 2 MAR teams that now qualified through the waitlist. Congrats, 714!

EDIT: Beat to it by Antonio. So, the MAR count at St. Louis is up to 23.

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