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Lil' Lavery 18-03-2014 11:23
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Forgot about the changes to the elimination scoring and award points. Thanks for the clarification!

quad 18-03-2014 15:42
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
The 11 teams registered for a Regional and their current District Points/Rank/# Events
Code:
                                        District               
Team        Regional                Week        Points        Rank        Events
56        Greater DC                w5        103        1        2
1218        Greater Pittsburgh        w5        93        4        2
11        Hawaii                        w5        79        6        2
225        Greater DC                w5        65        15        1
303        Buckeye                        w4        63        20        2
341        Finger Lakes                w5        62        21        1
2016        Queen City                w5        56        29        2
2607        Virginia                w4        48        37        1
2234        Lone Star                w6        45        44        2
555        Windsor Essex
        Great Lakes                w6        42        48        2
204        SBPLI Long Island        w5        12        83        1

Wenbin Li 19-03-2014 21:48
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
So, if 7 team goes to an outside regional and they all win, that means that the spots will go from 10 to 3 at MAR on teams who go to worlds just on ranking?

scottandme 19-03-2014 21:57
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wenbin Li (Post 1361558)
So, if 7 team goes to an outside regional and they all win, that means that the spots will go from 10 to 3 at MAR on teams who go to worlds just on ranking?
Yes.

Jscout11 22-03-2014 16:33
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Congratulations to Team 2607 on winning the Virginia Regional.

This means that 2607 will consume the first "points" spot from MAR, leaving 9 spots left.

Hallry 22-03-2014 17:22
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Another question. Let's say the three teams that win at Lehigh also qualify for STL outside of MAR. Are the three winning spots converted to become additional ranking-point spots for the next top ranked teams?

scottandme 22-03-2014 22:39
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1362652)
Another question. Let's say the three teams that win at Lehigh also qualify for STL outside of MAR. Are the three winning spots converted to become additional ranking-point spots for the next top ranked teams?
Based on the old MAR/FiM rules (2012+2013), the MARCMP winner (and other "award") slots couldn't be passed down or inherited. So when 341 won in 2012, that slot was lost (qualified via HoF and via winning Boston Regional). Same applied to the CA/EI/RAS awards, though we never saw a team double qualify that way (or decline). Only the points based slots would pass over a team that was already qualified.

So assuming that stays the same, the question would be if winning an award slot at MAR CMP would trump a slot earned at a previous outside regional, and move the team from eating a "points" slot to the corresponding "award" slot. I would hope the answer is yes - "point" slots are awarded from top to bottom skipping over the MARCMP winners and award winners as they trickle down.

AGPapa 23-03-2014 19:47
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
I just updated everything for Lenape, once again, let me know if you spot anything incorrect.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AizgHBYEeVnwdDJVeFBzWTduazNLV3I2Skw5dlh4a FE&usp=drive_web#gid=1

The median number of points for team who have competed two events is 55.5. Expect the cutoff to be slightly lower than this. Declines and a large number of 3rd event teams at BR should decrease the cutoff.

I'm not sure if the new points model did a good job sorting out the teams. Good teams like 2729, 2495, 708 and 1712 are under this 55 point cutoff. Hopefully they'll still qualify for MAR champs because they have good robots that deserve to be there. I'm not sure if the old points model would have done a better job; once BR ends I'll recalculate the rankings with last year's point systems to see the difference in who qualifies.

Wayne C. 24-03-2014 13:40
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Not that it matters overall but team 25 did win their first QF match so should have 5 more pts.

Just happy if we qualify....

Wc

scottandme 24-03-2014 14:09
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne C. (Post 1363844)
Not that it matters overall but team 25 did win their first QF match so should have 5 more pts.

Just happy if we qualify....

Wc
http://www3.usfirst.org/sites/defaul...ing_System.pdf

"5 points for every match won in which a Team’s robot participated,
only for the Alliance that wins the series"

That rule exists to account for replacement robots in elims.

BandChick 24-03-2014 14:28
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Thanks for keeping up with this, Scott! It's nice to check and see how things are going.

I noticed that 1089's QPs are wrong -- we won 6 qualifying matches yesterday, and should have 12 qualifying points, and 27 total. We're marked right now with having 18 QPs, and 33 total.

AGPapa 24-03-2014 15:09
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandChick (Post 1363871)
Thanks for keeping up with this, Scott! It's nice to check and see how things are going.

I noticed that 1089's QPs are wrong -- we won 6 qualifying matches yesterday, and should have 12 qualifying points, and 27 total. We're marked right now with having 18 QPs, and 33 total.
Thanks, sorry. I manually entered the data for the three teams who went to Lenape for their first event. I must have taken the overall record instead of their qualification record for those three teams. I'll fix it now.

EDIT: Actually your team was the only one with the issue. The other two teams didn't win any elimination matches so it didn't affect them.

Wayne C. 24-03-2014 16:56
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottandme (Post 1363858)
http://www3.usfirst.org/sites/defaul...ing_System.pdf

"5 points for every match won in which a Team’s robot participated,
only for the Alliance that wins the series"

That rule exists to account for replacement robots in elims.
My bad. Saw the points but not the win being necessary

Sorry

Brandon_L 25-03-2014 15:36
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?

AGPapa 25-03-2014 16:53
Re: 2014 MAR Standings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon_L (Post 1364670)
Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?
The teams highlighted in light green are predicted to be over the cutoff, not a mathematical lock.

After reading you comment I implemented a way to find out if a team is a lock. It's based off of Brian Lucas's paper from last year. The teams who are a lock are now highlighted in dark green.


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