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Hoover 04-03-2014 12:25
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1353296)
Trust me, the ref will see that the entire alliance is waiting for the answer, but he won't feel a need to immediately go on the defensive.
I hear ya. No need to go ape.

Conor Ryan 04-03-2014 12:37
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Judging from the Israeli webcast, it looks like they may have fixed the bug that dealt with the Pedestal lights.

EricH 04-03-2014 20:12
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bEdhEd (Post 1353130)
We also had another match that started perfectly; the autonomous shots went in, and we were far ahead, until I started wondering why our human players weren't inbounding after the first cycle. What was the problem? The pedestal would not light at all, and there was a rematch, and then the pedestal was delayed, and then we had to do another rematch the next day.
Actually, that first match, one of your alliance's very early shots (I want to say auto!) missed wide left. As in, between me (scoring the red goals) and the wall. Not through the wall, not over the wall, to the left of the wall. That's where field reset made a mistake and ran the ball clear back to your driver's station, instead of the nearest human player (in the red box to my right, between me and the head ref), which resulted in the foghorn sounding for immediate replay.

Then the pedestal problem kicked in in the rematch.

thmeans06 05-03-2014 10:52
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
This is simple... There is a problem. FIRST needs to fix it. Please and thank you. ::rtm::

tanmaker 05-03-2014 10:55
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thmeans06 (Post 1353868)
This is simple... There is a problem. FIRST needs to fix it. Please and thank you. ::rtm::
It has been. FMS software changes have no association with rule changes and thus are not included in rule updates.

Brandon_L 05-03-2014 12:49
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanmaker (Post 1353873)
It has been. FMS software changes have no association with rule changes and thus are not included in rule updates.
An official mention of it somewhere would be great, though. Totally possible I missed one, in that case, where can I see it?

tr6scott 05-03-2014 16:32
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...-Week-1-Review

Frank Mentions it today in the blog post, it is fixed.

Hoover 06-03-2014 07:59
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
I will believe it when I see it. If we get a dead pedestal like our district mates 1676 (see above), my alliance is going to take that ball and deal with the consequences later.

Now if they can only get rid of these outrageous re-scores. We play to the real time score and we think we are good with a 10 point lead... the boom... the final score has them winning by 30 points. I'm not going to be comfortable with anything less than a 50 point lead from now on. We must count the scores in our heads (along with everything else we need to do) and be prepared to challenge.

notmattlythgoe 06-03-2014 08:04
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 1354334)
I will believe it when I see it. If we get a dead pedestal like our district mates 1676 (see above), my alliance is going to take that ball and deal with the consequences later.

Now if they can only get rid of these outrageous re-scores. We play to the real time score and we think we are good with a 10 point lead... the boom... the final score has them winning by 30 points. I'm not going to be comfortable with anything less than a 50 point lead from now on. We must count the scores in our heads (along with everything else we need to do) and be prepared to challenge.
When was the last time live scores were at all accurate? Breakaway is the only one that I can think of that was semi accurate since I started back in 2009. Basing your playing strategy off of the live scores has always been a risky decision.

JosephC 06-03-2014 08:28
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1354336)
When was the last time live scores were at all accurate? Breakaway is the only one that I can think of that was semi accurate since I started back in 2009. Basing your playing strategy off of the live scores has always been a risky decision.
2012 worked fairly well (of course the bridge balances weren't added til after the match).

shhrz 06-03-2014 08:46
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
The Israeli regional was much better in this aspect.

There was only one REALLY bad issue I recall... the Red Alliance scored a goal in one of the Qualification Matches, and the volunteer still hadn't put a ball on the pedestal (he had a long time to do it - since the start of the cycle, but he forgot I guess).

Anyway, the pedestal got lit .. but since there was no ball on it, he FORBADE the HP to take a ball from the ground next to the pedestal, and wasted a minute and a half before the refs fianlly noticed and allowed the HP to take the ball.

Luckily, Red still won because of 100 foul points...

I will say however, that it was the only incident I saw which was a real issue. Pedestals nearly always lit up within 5 seconds of a cycle completing. In fact, I don't recall a time where it was more than 5 seconds... :)

notmattlythgoe 06-03-2014 09:03
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1354342)
2012 worked fairly well (of course the bridge balances weren't added til after the match).
Good point, 2012 was another decent year at live scoring. Any time the scoring pieces are able to be funneled after scoring for counting it helps. But, most years this is not possible.

cgmv123 06-03-2014 09:33
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1354342)
2012 worked fairly well (of course the bridge balances weren't added til after the match).
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1354374)
Good point, 2012 was another decent year at live scoring. Any time the scoring pieces are able to be funneled after scoring for counting it helps. But, most years this is not possible.
I didn't see any issues with the 2011 scoring either, since it was largely done by humans.

notmattlythgoe 06-03-2014 09:36
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1354386)
I didn't see any issues with the 2011 scoring either, since it was largely done by humans.
It wasn't bad, but the live scoring was definitely delayed and scores changed from the live scoring to the final score being displayed.

cgmv123 06-03-2014 09:38
Re: Pedestal Delays
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1354389)
It wasn't bad, but the live scoring was definitely delayed and scores changed from the live scoring to the final score being displayed.
That was the last year penalties were added on at the end of the match. That's likely the difference you saw.


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