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Before anyone gets the wrong idea here, I'm not thinking of any single team, nor would I say that anyone who's received the safety award at any event wasn't deserving of it, but I think that the way teams seek out recognition for "safe" needs some re-direction.

I'd like to see an end to the countless flyers reminding us to wear safety glasses, the yelling of "Robot" randomly at volumes that can be heard across the pit, the people holding safety signs urging people to "Be safe" or whatever else that teams do to try to win the safety award that doesn't really have anything to do with being safe and making others be safe.

Sandrag calls it "Safety Theater".

Safety should be about how your handle your robot, what procedures you have in place in your pit, how you've built safety into your program and so on. Safety should be making sure that you've made your robot as safe as possible to be around and your pit as safe as possible to be in. Safety shouldn't be about signs at the events. Safety should be about what you do in your shop.

There don't seem to be other awards that promote this kind of grandstanding. You don't see teams plastering the arena with signs saying "Show your spirit!" or "Be creative in your robot design!" or "Be sure to be innovative in your control!"

There are plenty of ways for teams to be safe and let judges know that they are. Exhibit safe practices, show your safety tests and manuals, put safety features on your robot and in your pit, politely remind people not to run or to put their safety glasses on (but don't stand in a doorway blocking traffic and yell at the 90% of people who are walking and are already wearing eye protection).. and so on.

Let's end safety theater.

- Mr. Van
Coach, Robodox

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For safety posters, we don't put them out to win the safety award. We do them because its fun and we hope other people find humor in them.

Along that point, did anyone do the QR code one at Centerline?

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Genuine safety is the result of a culture of striving to achieve high quality, attention to details both small and large, maximizing the efficiency of work and operations, and always looking to improve and iterate. One cannot achieve high quality without safety, as both safety and quality is achieved through the elimination of mistakes.

Posters generally do not contribute to the elimination of mistakes unless there is a high level of uneducation among the target audience, or the sign or visual indicator is alerting a person of a danger that might not be immediately apparent. I do not see any epidemic of people not wearing safety glasses in the pits, so posters saying as much are of marginal value. However a sign along the outside of the fields that warns people that objects may leave the field is valuable for a visitor such as a grandparent who may not be familiar with FRC.

In addition, there are some completely unnecessary things that every now and then a "Safety Advisor" will complain about. Usually it's something like not having a book of MSDS sheets for normal consumer products (seriously, the safety information for rubbing alcohol is on the label on the product) or not having a battery spill clean up kit for non-spillable batteries (never understood this one) or not wearing gloves to pick up the robot (it's entirely possible to design robots that can be lifted without cutting or digging into your skin).

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I agree with you until this point here. Do your team members know what to do when Loctite spills all over their hands? If not, that MSDS is pretty handy.

And in my personal experience I have seen two incidents where FIRST batteries have cracked and "spilled" (more like leaked a bit) resulting in the need of the super-handy battery spill kit. At Palmetto last weekend a robot tipped over, launched it's battery onto the floor and resulted in the leads coming loose (yikes). Fortunately all was well but it was a reminder that we put this equipment through a lot, especially in a year when game play is rough. The batteries we use are durable which makes incidents like these uncommon but the possibility for a "spill" or more likely a crack leading to some leakage is always a possibility so why not prepare?

As for gloves, many will attest to the fact that we are already pushing our weight-lifting limit with robots. A 120 lb robot with bumpers and batteries is a pretty heavy thing to be hauled on and off the pit and an on and off the work bench. Pinch points, digs into skin, and the risk of slipping are all real risks. Once again, why risk it?

In the end, posters don't mean much but these essential PPE are always good to have. IMO, safety has always been about preparing and protecting against potential hazards, whether they are likely or not. Forgive me for the cliche, but better safe than sorry. ::safety::

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First you shouldn't be lifting your robot at a pinch point and it's only 60lbs unless you can lift the robot by yourself:eek: Second I don't know who would attest that 60lbs is a high school students lifting limit especially considering teen testorene levels coupled with good form. Its not uncommon for many kids on our team to have lift totals of 1000 and I think most of the girls on our team can even lift the robot without gloves. Gloves are not needed.

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Our "practice field" is a bit difficult to reach without a decent bit of robot-carrying. I've managed to pinch my fingers on more than one occasion when gravity took a hold of the intake and my hands weren't positioned right. Gloves may not be needed for lifting heavy objects, but that's not all they protect you from.

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They may not be required, but each team can determine whether they are needed or not.

Emphasis mine... Change this. That is totally within your power to make sure that this never happens. Have a specific protocol in place for carrying your robot.

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We generally use lifting straps on our robots to eliminate the pinch points, sharp edges, and anything else that could be an issue. These have been very effective. However, at the Bayou Regional in 2008, we were not allowed to check-in our team at pit admin until we could produce 2 pair of gloves. Luckily another team allowed us to borrow some since we do not use them. I would say in many cases the overly large gloves often used are more of a hazard than a help. They get caught on protrusions and don't always allow for a firm grip of the robot.

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OSHA's guide on lifting - https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/ele...als/heavy.html


And of course no one intends to lift at a pinch point and I'm sure the kids on your team are the strongest of strong but frankly gloves are needed. I don't think you'll find many real world professionals who doubt that.

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I wouldn't completely discount this one. We have had two batteries crack and leak over the past seven years (both during the off-season when no one was in the lab messing with them). Had to find a local retailer willing to dispose of them for us.

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Food for thought...

What if the "safety theater" actually helped a team think about and later develop a culture of safety?

My team wasn't all that safe...No one got seriously hurt, and people were relatively safe around power tools (including the robot), but we did have a few close calls, and way too many "minor" injuries...We were the type of team that "noses goesesed" over who had[ to be safety captain on any particular year.

A few years ago our safety captain was taken to task over not having a safety binder, knowing where the first aid kit was and the like. The safety inspector sent her over to a team that was putting on quite the safety theater show, who took Mary under her wing. Mary was shown how to create a safety binder, and what goes into it. We all absolutely learned a ton and realized exactly how lucky we had been up to that point.

Now we keep a safety binder and have a dedicated safety team. They train the other kids help out with safety tests, conduct investigations with small injuries to ensure bigger injuries aren't pending, are CPR/First Aid certified (as are several of our team members now, and help protect my job as a teacher. We actively think about safety now. We have people who make sure the kids aren't being complacent around the tools or the robot, and are a second opinion when everyone else is all in a rush to get something done.

Now we don't put on a show at competitions. We have all the right safety stuff and use it, but we did learn something from a team that was sort of putting on a show.

This is all my own personal opinion and teams should do what works for them.

Edoga

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Since one of the goals of FIRST is to prepare students for STEM careers, we should we demonstrating the standard behaviors expected from someone working in industry. Gloves are the standard practice in industry; therefore we should make them the standard practice in FIRST. Safety glasses (true safety glasses, ANSI standard) are the standard practice in industry. MSDS sheets are the standard practice in industry. Whether you think you are generally safe or not isn't the point; at some point these practices will save someone from harm.

On another note, the biggest hazard in picking up the robot is how most students bend from the waist to pick it up. My back muscles cringe every time I see that. They may not feel the pain from the resultant damage at the age of 16, but when they are older.........

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Our team's testing setup for the robot is on the floor above our workshop, so we have to lift our robot up the stairs a lot. We make it a point to place handles on our robot for easy lifting without gloves and without hurting ones fingers, or accidentally dropping the robot with a loose grip.

I was honestly really surprised when at Palmetto, at the drivers meeting they told us that every team was required to bring the robot onto the field with gloves. In my 6 years of FIRST, that was the first time I've heard of the field crew requiring students to wear gloves when bringing the robot on the field. We didn't question the rule, as we brought a pack of gloves, but this and G40 got me thinking that FIRST might be a little bit too paranoid about safety.

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Same here. I'm not allowed to lift the robot (already have knee/back/nerve issues), or as a drive coach I'd be saving my students the future injury. It's the team's responsibility to teach them how to lift it right. Off the cart is easy, off the floor is much harder.

Original point: I'm against safety theater (especially the totally unnecessary yelling), but there is something to be said for safety awareness done right. I think the guidelines for safety captains and safety advisors both need to be refined to help reflect a smarter approach to safety at events.

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For what it's worth, we push to win the safety award and are very pleased when we do. The reason is that 4 years ago one of our students decided that was something she wanted to take charge of. She's since left the team and another student has picked up and run with it.

We have occasionally put up a silly safety goggles poster, but our work focuses on ensuring we have our MSDS in order, making first aid kits and fire extinguishers readily available in the pit areas, having all of the students and mentors on our team certified in first aid, etc. We also actively encourage teams that don't have a safety program in place and are happy to share our materials with them.

Bottom line, we pursue the safety award because we had a couple of students who thought it was important to do so.

And for the record, we lost the safety award at one event last year when one of the safety judges deliberately stepped in front of our drive team who was transporting our robot and was upset when our kids simply said, "excuse us, please" rather than shouting "ROBOT!".

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OSHA doesn't require gloves for lifting.

From OSHA Safety Guidelines - "Hand protection is required when employee's hands are exposed to hazards such as those from skin absorption of harmful substances; severe cuts or lacerations; severe abrasions; punctures; chemical burns; thermal burns; and harmful temperature extremes."

If you have any of those situations present on your robot, you aren't competing because you didn't pass inspection.

If you are cleaning up a split battery, wear chemical gloves. For broken glass, wear puncture resistant gloves. I will not wear gloves when I help load our robot onto the field because they are more of a hazard than they are helpful. Again, establish a specific protocol for loading and unloading your robot. Your protocol may involve gloves. My students are welcome to wear gloves. I will not because I want to be able to feel what I am doing and reduce the risk of a glove catching on something unintended.

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This is being safe and sharing your practices. This should be encouraged. It is not what I (and others) mean by "Safety Theater". Thank you and please continue to do this!

This is clearly part of the problem. I wonder if the safety inspector would have been satisfied if you yelled "Move you idiot!" (which is effectively the same thing).

- Mr. Van
Coach, Robodox

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Yeah, unfortunately that was happening at a few events in Michigan a couple years ago. The majority of the key volunteers find the shouting of "Robot!" obnoxious though. At MSC last year, I asked the Safety People to kindly ask teams to not shout that and instead say, "Excuse me." They agreed that that was best, and it wasn't an issue the rest of the weekend. And, unsurprisingly, no one was run over by a robot. ;)

I think the OP is awesome for creating this thread!
NO ONE is suggesting that safety isn't important. Safety is obviously an important topic that all teams need to have policies for. That said, I could do with less Safety Theater.

An example of Safety Theater:
A couple years ago, a team won the Safety Award for how they carried their robot with two poles sticking through their machine, so students wouldn't hurt their hands by gripping a pinching section in the robot. Sure, the students carrying the robot were safer....but not the people around them who kept getting hit with the poles extended from the robot as they walked by or turned around. Ouch.

Safety: an essential aspect of every FIRST, especially FRC, team.

Safety Theater: doing something JUST to win the Safety Award.

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I've seen this conversation happen a few times on CD and this hits the nail on the head. I like the idea that we as a community should focus on safety more. I don't like that it is incentivized with an award. This is just asking for teams to go "above and beyond".

Make safety a requirement, not an incentive, and the problem will go away.

EDIT: The "problem" in question is people doing things like posting flyers and screaming robot. I'm still not quite sure what do to about overzealous safety advisors.

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Totally agree.

FYI, at last year's championship I saw a safety advisor tell students to yell "ROBOT" and I told him that there are a lot of people who disagree with that practice and briefly explained why. I did it as politely as possible and then thanked him for volunteering as a safety advisor. I felt a little sheepish confronting him about it, but I think it would be a good thing if people tactfully opened up that conversation when they see people encouraging counterproductive and annoying practices.

Another anecdote: once our team attended an event with a team that engaged in a variety of safety theater practices, and as it happened, their drive team caused a dangerous incident in the practice field that was probably the most unsafe thing that happened at the whole event. Then they naturally won the safety award. I think this is an example of why safety theater should not be rewarded, and why the incentive structure that currently exists doesn't necessarily produce the results that we want it to.

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Yeah, it's a tricky one. I think Volunteer Coordinators can talk to them before the event starts, and that might make it better.

Just like the bans of the shouting of robot and seat saving epidemic, it all starts with AWARENESS!

Lets all change our social media pictures to some significant image for a month.

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Yeah, last year my team was working on creating all new bumpers in our pit and a Safety Advisor came by and told them, "You really need to be wearing gloves when using that circular saw." They looked at him and said, "Gloves are NOT going to stop the blade."

Another year we had a properly insulated junction box on our pit structure, and the inspector made us cut all power from our structure because "he couldn't see inside the junction box to ensure it was properly insulated." On that one I can't blame the safety inspector, but it was a big inconvenience for us.

-Danny

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The only thing that bothers me is when a team thinks they're allowed to run me over with their cart because they've been yelling robot.

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I do agree with the original sentiment of the OP.
And as a counterpoint there is also nothing wrong with a little bit of awareness via modest posters and the like.

But whenever I think of Safety Theater, I am reminded of an event where a team had a giant mascot wearing safety glasses and how this mascot kept tripping over people and getting in everyone's way. It was the definition of irony and completely unsafe. :ahh:

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This is the classic and most worrisome example of safety advisors who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about and give out really really really bad advice (which teams are compelled to follow).

Gloves and rotary tools just don't mix (or, rather, they mix far too easily)!

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Can anyone provide insight on how Safety Advisors are appointed / selected / whatever?

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As far as I know, they are assigned by the VC.

I've had a buddy of mine (who would admit he was completely and thoroughly unqualified) been assigned.

A father on our team who is an industrial expert in safety (it's his job), volunteered with his son as a safety advisor at two events last year and they commented that the advisors working aside them were the biggest idiots they'd ever encountered in terms of safety. Very into safety theatre, ignorant to actual safety.

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What I see as safety theater is what our team witnessed and had to deal with at our regional last year.

There was a team there that had people stationed all over the pits, essentially acting as "hall monitors" or "robot chaperones." When robots were coming down the hallway, they would stop all human traffic and make them wait until robots had finished coming through, all while yelling robot to those who ignored them.

This works great in theory. But there are incidents that can arise in which by halting human traffic would be a major impediment to people. For instance, one of the students on my team was held up in trying to go back to our pit to get a tool to fix an alliance members robot before the match started. Needless to say he did not make it or return in time.

I don't believe they won the safety award, which leads me to believe that maybe the judges disliked it as much as we did.

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The apparent lack of care assigning such a (hopefully) important position worries me. Yes, teams should strive to always keep safety best practices in mind, but having good role models at competitions (especially for lower income teams) seems like it should be a higher priority.

Then again, I'm sure being a VC is hard enough without handpicking safety advisors.

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They couldn't have been "hopping a 20' A-frame ladder across the ground in the pits from the top rung" stupid.

Saw some guy (I think he worked for the convention center) putting up a banner do this in the aisle next to our pit last year in Dallas.

Safety theatre is quite annoying to everyone as well. Sure you get a trophy but that doesn't mean people don't think you are annoying

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I would like to see teams start calculating, keeping track of, and reporting their incident rate throughout the build and competition seasons. It'd be interesting to see where FIRST is at compared to other industries, and it'd be a good way for teams to compare how they're doing against one another.

It would also be a good way to set goals for teams in the future - zero never looked so good.

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+1 for this.

Last weekend at the MAR Mt Olive District there was a kid walking around with a metal sign that said "Wear Safety Glasses". I took that as "safety theater" and 'confronted' the kid (in a nice way) and asked, with many people watching, "do you also carry that sign around your shop during build season?". He was a little confused for a moment, but clearly a quick thinker, saying "Yeah, sure I do". I think he got the point.

Oh, and his team didn't win a safety award.

The Lead Safety Advisor is typically a UL Employee. The rest of the Safety Advisors are all recruited by the local VC.

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"Recruited" is a loose term. ;)

As a VC, it's more that we assign based on who signs up for the role. Sometimes we don't have much of a choice. Other times there's many people wanting to do a role, and there's some research that has to happen in order to determine the best person for the role.

It'd be great if we had more people who wanted to be Safety Advisers for events. :D

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At IE, most of the teams "yelling" robot were at least quiet about it. More like saying.

Except for one mentor who yelled it at the top of his lungs--and his team pit was near inspection, where robots were constantly moving. The LRI went over after one of those yells, muttering something under his breath about "enough is enough", and apparently asked him to tone it down--didn't hear him again all event.



I agree with efoote, though. I think more safety would happen if the metric used wasn't necessarily signs and theater, but actual incident logs and incident avoidance measures (including training, response plans, and reviews when incidents happen).

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If you look in post 11 you would see what I look for. Since 2007 I have used what the teams can show me about their safety program at their shop and how they handle things at the event. Signs have had little meaning to me. Another school near 192 had a very bad accident. By having the manuals, written training and testing records, and the fact the students could answer the districts questions we were able to keep open without any changes. The other school had many new limits put on their program. At an event teaching is more importsnt then giving an award. The goal is so that each team has the same number of fingers and toes that they started with.

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At competition this past weekend, I listened carefully during the Safety Award. I think I pinpointed why teams insist on "Safety Theater."

The Safety Award "Celebrates the team that progresses beyond safety fundamentals by using innovative ways to eliminate or protect against hazards."

"Beyond"
"Innovative"

These are two key words in the award description. The teams that act in the Safety Theater are really just fulfilling the spirit of this award, and hard to blame them when this is how it's encouraged.

Maybe people can suggest changes to how the award should be described in the official manual?

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I agree that there may be over zealous teams or students that create what you call the "the safety theatre". However, it's great that teams take safety serious. Check out the posts on blue smoke, exploding air tanks and damaged robot parts. These threads alone should indicate that we all need to take safety seriously.

Safety is a culture that begins and ends back at your team meetings and facilities. Just don't talk the talk to win the award. Walk the walk and instil a safe environment and culture 24/7/365. You'll get noticed if you do and you are sincere about it.

You can be the most talented and brightest worker in your field but if you practice unsafe habits you may not have a job for long. Education and good habits start with FIRST in most cases.

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This is what happens when you wear gloves around moving equipment

NSFW LINK FOR GORE AND LANGUAGE
"I was working on a polishing machine, polishing a metal box, when the glove I was wearing caught in the wheel and pulled my hand onto the rotating mop for 2-3 seconds. I managed to stop the machine and get my hand out. It didn't come out shiny..."

We had a member who would wear gloves in the pit just to please the safety inspectors and he would ALWAYS get points for it.

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That is a good example, but it is worth putting a NSFW notice on as the pictures are a little gruesome and the comments contain several instances of choice language.

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I am gonna keep this around for the next person at a regional that tells me I need gloves for working in the pits with power tools.

I 100000% agree with all the things stated in this tread. I have seen more and more teams, especially this year, join with signs and posters, more so for publicity then anything else. And "safety advisers" that are just volunteers who blindly seem to go alone with the teams with posters...

I am not faulting anyone, or going to point out specifics but lets just try to end all of the theatricals. But remain safe and vigilant, a lot of which is just using common sense and politeness.

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I think some of these signs are, at least in theory, for the benefit of people who are not familiar with FRC. Spectators, family, and FIRST outsiders checking out the competition may not understand that they need to be wearing safety glasses 24/7 in the pit. On Saturdays at regionals, I often have to tell young visitors (10 and under) to put their glasses back on. If the signs saying to keep glasses on are everywhere, it makes their parents more alert to the issue and more likely to check on themselves and on their child.

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On the other hand, if signs are everywhere, many people tune them out as spam. Cutting down on the visual overload isn't a bad thing in my view.

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When it comes to safety theater Orlando had the IMAX 3D, the popcorn and the butter. We have a pull cart allowing our drivers to politely ask people to step aside. This worked until a volunteer told me I have to yell ROBOT when moving your robot in and out of the pit. We politely declined and reminded her that you never have to yell HUMAN or SHOPPING CART in supermarkets.

On our way back we where reminded that we MUST yell ROBOT if your are moving it out of your pit. We resorted to saying it in the quietest manor possible.

MUCH worse than the occasional ROBOT was the non-stop FLL kids screaming SAFETY FIRST! they where led also by the volunteers and zig zaged through the entire pit area yelling SAFTY FIRST louder than I heard anyone yell robot. when i asked the volunteer for a purpose they told me that it provided a helpful reminder to the FRC students and mentors.

Just remember ROBOT is not the only part of safety theater.

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Ironically enough, the kids shouting were creating unsafe situations in which teams could not communicate properly. In our pit area, they became a distraction. I'm not sure why, but they made a stop in front of our pit area (On the corner, directly in front of Pit Admin) to "remind" us to be safe. This caused a small traffic jam of robots which, in my personal opinion, is way worse than a convoy of 'bots trying to move through the usual pit traffic.

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At Utah this weekend the safety folks were good learners. Early on they told our safety captain to tell us to yell "robot". I quickly pulled both her and the safety advisor aside and reminded them why this was a bad idea. By the end of the day inspectors were actively telling teams to say "excuse us please", and the award went to the team who were the quietest and most professional, and whose pit was the cleanest. Congrats team 2437!

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You have no idea. There is a safety inspector who worships gloves. Picking up a robot without gloves? Put it down. Using a sawzall without gloves, you must stop. Using a drill press or a mini-lathe? Gloves. He walks around with a bag of gloves that he forces teams to "borrow". I was about ready to explode when the guy told me I needed to wear gloves while grinding a piece of aluminum on the grinding wheel in the machine shop.

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While I agree that "safety theatre" can be overdone, I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between doing things safely and having a safety culture. If safety is going to be not just a practice but a fundamental value, it will have to get expressed somehow.

And I don't mind posters telling me things I already know. I'm also an auto racing marshal. At our morning briefings, the corner captain will go over a bunch of safety procedures that every marshal knows. I used to find it redundant until one of my captains explained the reason behind them to me: those briefings help to move that knowledge into our "active memory" where it can be accessed quickly and easily. Now that I'm a corner captain myself, I give these briefings myself, but I explain why to my crew. I see these safety posters as fulfilling a similar purpose.

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I agree that yelling of "ROBOT! ROBOT!" when no one is around and the path is clear is pretty silly and unnecessary. However, this weekend I was at a regional where many teams weren't saying ANYTHING when they pulled the robots through the crowded and narrow aisles.

I think we have to be careful when telling people that they don't have to say "robot" when moving through the pits. Many teams were pulling out of their pits and almost running over their own members and visitors. Worse when moving along the aisles they were narrowly clipping bystanders and I was almost hit several times by teams who were pushing large carts without saying a word.

Even more were moving these large carts without anyone walking in front to help (politely) clear a path. It was pretty much mayhem.

Also, the comparison to grocery carts isn't fair. Grocery carts aren't that heavy and most grocery stores aren't that crowded and loud for so long. So please say, "Robot coming through, excuse us!" or something equally polite. But please say SOMETHING and say it SOMEWHAT loud. ::safety::

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From what I have seen, the teams winning the safety awards are the ones with a lot of money and abundance of safety theater.
My team can't afford to buy 100 pairs of extra safety glasses, print MSDS sheets and evacuation plans for all the teams, buy medicine calenders for the elderly, and provide gloves for all of our team members. It's just not possible.
What we can do is create a killer safety training program for our participants and teach other teams how to create a safe environment for their participants as well. We can formulate the safest route of robot travel to the field to prevent potential robot back-ups and injuries and design our pit around functional safety.
I am not saying that the safety awards are meaningless, because these teams put a LOT of effort into safety. I just wish that teams could have a level playing field financially when it comes to the safety awards.. :)

2013 Winner of the Industrial Safety Award at the DC Regional
2X Star of the Day

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I agree; as safety captain I get harassed for feeling this way, but feel as if targeting other robotics members is just annoying and a waste of time. Teams should target people who do not already know proper safety, these being freshmen, new members, etc. These people should be taught in the shop, before competition.