Re: Hot Goal Timing Issues
 

This suggests that the situation is exactly the same as it was in Weeks 1-2.

Re: Hot Goal Timing Issues
 

At North Carolina both 1) and 2) still seem to be the same. The hot goal is lighting up about 1-1.5 seconds after the start of the match and not switching until the clock is on 4 seconds remaining, or very close to it.

Still appears that robots are about a second ahead of match clocks (e.g. Robots are dead with about 1 second remaining in teleop).

All of this is from a naked eye test; no analysis or frame by frame study.

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To me, it seems better than Groton was. Sometimes, robots would shoot the ball before the hot goals lit up, and other times, one side would remain lit for all of autonomous. I have only watched about 15 week three matches, so I'm not sure.

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Here's a few videos of the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ8NMU4aVDs (ball through the goal before it lights up)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGRYbF7Qll8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cth8G3p6zGk

Re: Hot Goal Timing Issues
 

Still an issue, here is a match from Orlando where you can see the lights don't come on for about 7 seconds.

http://youtu.be/3HqtHBYJLfg

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I noticed in this video that the vision targets appear to be switching at the correct times, but the LEDs are clearly way off.

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Why is this not considered a field fault, and why isn't the match stopped?

If, in the judgment of the Head Referee, an “ARENA fault” occurs that affects the outcome of the MATCH, the MATCH will be replayed.

ARENA faults include broken FIELD elements, power failure to a portion of the FIELD (tripping the circuit breaker in the PLAYER STATION is not considered a power failure), improper activation of the FMS, errors by FIELD personnel, etc.

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Also, correct me if I am wrong but I think the blue alliance was scored wrong for Auto, the announcer says they got 40 points but I can't figure how you can get that with 15 in mobility points and either 1 or 2 balls scored (hot or not)

It leaves 25 points scored by balls in high goals, which is impossible.

Edit: I think I figured out what was wrong, the vision targets indicate that both blue balls were scored in hot goals, but the LEDs indicate they were scored in not hot goals. If both blue balls were counted as not hot that would be 30 points. I also think the refs did not notice that 223 moved all the way into their zone before moving back. If only 1065 and 4064 got mobility points for blue that is 15+15+5+5 = 40 points that was announced when it should have been 20+20+5+5+5=55

So 3 problems in the first 10 seconds of the match (if it was even 10 seconds)...

Also, the game announcer audio is also about 2 ahead of the match, as he is correctly predicting everything :P

Re: Hot Goal Timing Issues
 

After just coming from the VA regionals day one, I was surprised to discover this issue... my bad.

What I don't understand is why the startup logic for the lighted indicator and the dynamic indicator are opposite...

ie: Before auto starts, the LIGHTED indicators both indicate NO hot goal. whereas the dynamic indicators both indicate a HOT goal.

So if you are waiting for a LIGHTED indicator and they come on late, at least you don't take off and score prematurely.

But with the *mechanical* dynamic indicator, any delay in the flip to NOT HOT will cause the robot to take off and score. Adding a "guesstimate" of how long this will take in the code is a realllly bad habit to get into.

It seems to me that both indicators should start in the NOT HOT position, and then transition into HOT mode as required. This would eliminate any false starts.

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Orlando's head ref generally refused to accept field faults;
"I don't have time to investigate scoring errors" was what she told us when we confronted her about scoring glitches.

I found 5 hot goal errors in the first 20 matches played:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNWBS...7MSz&index=123
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItRyC...9Hg DQxrs7MSz
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-hDB...rf9HgDQxrs7MSz
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shWpl...9Hg DQxrs7MSz
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuCft...9Hg DQxrs7MSz


Also why are the hit goal lights coming on during the first few seconds of teleop?

Re: Hot Goal Timing Issues
 

We noticed this bug in the Virginia Regionals this weekend during the eliminations, and not anticipating the delay cost us a hot goal or two.

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We also noticed the issues with Orlando, but I was hoping from Frank's blog this week where he addressed the issue, this problem would be in the past. I know they will get this working better, everything seems to have improved week to week.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...C-FIRST-Values

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At Wisconsin we were missing the hot goal when it would light on the side we were on first. The first couple of matches on Friday it was not a problem. Half way through elims we noticed what was actually happening so we added a .5 second delay at the beginning of auto. From then on we never had any problems with it.

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The reason it appears that the hot goals are still lit in teleop is because the audio/video aren't synced. The audio is slightly ahead of the video.

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At the Orlando Regional, our team's auton. would check the Hot Goal about a quarter second after the robot was enabled for auton. During the matches, it would always think there was a hot goal because the vision target hadn't changed yet to indicate that the goal in front of us wasn't hot.

While changes could/will be implemented to compensate for the lag, it'd be nice to have the lag fixed entirely.