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Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1357496)

Bolded part is not true. The score wasn't counted because the referees ruled that it was not a blue robot that caused the ball to cross into the goal. If you consider it a score (which I would have.. but I'm not a ref), then it's a perfect example of a score that occurs without possession. "Scored" uses a lower standard than possession, so it's totally within the rules that a robot can score a ball without possessing it.

[Blue Bot] Pushes -> [Red Bot 1] & [Red Bot 2] into -> [Blue Ball] into -> [Blue Low Goal] = Blue Bot caused the Blue Ball to cross into the Goal

I am byass but I believe that the assist points and goal should have counted. However, the refs called it differently. The match should have probably been replayed because the pedestal turned on and started a new cycle. Instead of returning the ball to the nearest human player and keeping the assist on the board.

I do think that FIRST needs to clarify these types of situations in the rules/updates. Most field reset/refs don't know how to properly handle these types of situations.

If a ball is possessed by an Alliance Robot in the area between the Truss and their High Goal. Then makes it into one of the Goals, the ball should count as scored. This makes it easier on the Refs and the spectators.

-Clinton-

Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

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Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1357531)

[Blue Bot] Pushes -> [Red Bot 1] & [Red Bot 2] into -> [Blue Ball] into -> [Blue Low Goal] = Blue Bot caused the Blue Ball to cross into the Goal

The last robot in contact with the ball before it entered the goal was not a member of the blue alliance, so the ball does not meet the criteria for being scored.

Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1357545)

The last robot in contact with the ball before it entered the goal was not a member of the blue alliance, so the ball does not meet the criteria for being scored.

That's not a rule.

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A BALL is considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S GOAL if

a ROBOT causes one (1) of their ALLIANCE’S BALLS to cross completely and remain completely through the opening(s) of one (1) of their ALLIANCE’S GOALS without intervening TEAM member contact,

the ALLIANCE ROBOT last in contact with the BALL was entirely between the TRUSS and their ALLIANCE’S HIGH GOALS, and

the BALL is not in contact with any ROBOT from that ALLIANCE.

Blue robot still caused the ball to go in, albeit through a red robot, and the blue ball had been contacted by a blue robot on the blue side of the truss.

Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1357545)

The last robot in contact with the ball before it entered the goal was not a member of the blue alliance, so the ball does not meet the criteria for being scored.

There are no rules that say "the last robot in contact with an alliance ball must be a member of the same alliance"

Otherwise, goalie blocked shots would not count either.

Section 3.1.4 Scoring

An opponent ROBOT that contacts, but fails to stop a BALL from going over the TRUSS or in a GOAL has not caused either of these actions and does not invalidate the SCORE.

-Clinton-

Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1357545)

The last robot in contact with the ball before it entered the goal was not a member of the blue alliance, so the ball does not meet the criteria for being scored.

Where in the rules does it say that?

Re: Is it possible to score a ball without POSSESSing it?

My apologies. I was quite certain that an alliance robot had to be the last thing to contact the ball before it went over the truss or through the goal in order for it to count, but obviously I was mistaken. I think I misread (or misremembered) the bit about "does not invalidate the SCORE" as being the opposite of what it says. The "without intervening TEAM member contact" probably got mixed up with it in my head as referring to robots rather than humans.