Originally Posted by Justin Montois (Post 1357933)

Say what you want about the rankings. After 4 years we've heard it all. However, do not attack people who actually bother vote because of your opinion of the rankings. They aren't just people trying to win a t-shirt. Some people take a lot of time and have a lot of fun with the voting. It's really uncalled for you to describe them how you did.

By not voting by virtue of a belief that it's a "popularity contest" already tells me you're taking it way too seriously. It's supposed to be a way to bring the FRC community together once a week and have some fun. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1357927)

FRCTop25 is absolutely a popularity contest, and I'm confident the voting favours my team. It's why I tried to get this started this week. Link
I had no idea 4488 existed earlier today but functionally its 610's long lost fraternal twin and they didn't make the list.
I think nominating teams that impressed you would significantly improve the show by making it easy to vote. There are too many teams and events to see everything.

Here is what I propose when the next voting thread pops up:
-If you were at an event and think a team (not yours) deserves some recognition then make a post and recognize them.
-If possible include a photo, match video, and link to social media so they can build a following.

There are amazing robots amongst us and hardworking people that designed them. They don't have to make the final 25 but they deserve to know someone saw and was impressed by their work.

*I've never voted ever because of the popularity bias.
** Try not to draw too much self worth from an online poll

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter (Post 1357842)

I don't think I'm over-exaggerating my own region's strength, but 177, 131, 3467, 58, 78, 319 and 195 are certainly on par with the #10-#25 teams on the list, while a fair case could certainly also be made for other New England teams like 176, 138, 236, and 230.

I'm not usually one for rants like this... but I just want to voice my opinion since I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it. I'm in no way blaming Mike or Justin for this issue... just trying to encourage people to better educate themselves before voting... and not to take the rankings seriously.

Originally Posted by Patrick Flynn (Post 1357958)

... I mean I hate that the cat won the monopoly token vote but there's nothing I can do, the fans voted that way.

Originally Posted by Patrick Flynn (Post 1357958)

One thing about this that I have always been adamant for is that everyone needs to vote. If you have a Canada bias and you don't vote fine. But then what happens to the votes of the Michigan bias person that just did vote?
If everyone were to vote independent of their bias in a perfect world we would see pretty equally represented regions.

As an aside 177 was only 100pts away from 25th. 131 was 150pts, 3467 was 250pts. Thats not that many points away. 177 only appeared on 14 ballots thought. The lowest team in the top 25 appeared on 20.

Bottom line is there's no way to make everyone happy. Thats one of the down falls of a fan vote. I mean I hate that the cat won the monopoly token vote but there's nothing I can do, the fans voted that way.

Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1357979)

Patrick, where did you get the full rankings?

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1357891)

I guess all it takes is having a number that people recognize.

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1357891)

973 made the top 25, but they were dead most of their matches (including the match against 254 where 1671 scored all of the points). I guess all it takes is having a number that people recognize.

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1358088)

It is good to hear you admit that Adam :)

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1358158)

973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1358158)

There were many teams that attended CVR that should have been in the top 25. Look at 1323 they started slow but have an amazing shooter and truss shot, and ended up finishing in 4th. 973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1358158)

There were many teams that attended CVR that should have been in the top 25. Look at 1323 they started slow but have an amazing shooter and truss shot, and ended up finishing in 4th. 973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.