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Mt. Olive had controversial events beyond this as is. Aside from the typical week 1 replays, there were other non-match related controversies that needn't be discussed here. It was stressful for all involved. The "I survived Mt. Olive 2014" joke was started before this issue was noticed. When Ryan first told me about this around midnight last Sunday, I was flabbergasted with no idea of what to even say beyond a single expletive. I made the decision that it should, for the time, stay between as few people as possible until FIRST addressed it in some way or someone else noticed it and posted about it. The only person I told initially were the FTA, and a few days later, a fellow ref. Simply put, I decided that it'd be best to wait until all of the other week 1 dust settled because to me, that was a more important thing to be discussed/settled than what occurred due to a minor oversight. It could have been avoided not just by FIRST. I have no problem with FIRST's lack of immediately addressing this situation, which I'm sure is something many disagree with. I'm sure they're up to their necks in all the other issues (which, in the sense of the progression of the season are much more important). I'd rather the hot goal, pedestal, and overall FMS issued be fixed first. I'm sure there are many who disagree with me, but I truly don't think this needs to be no.1 on FIRST's priority list until they determine what course of action to take on this. |
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Nobody's talking about the elephant in the room. This went on for a good part of Saturday and all of Sunday and yet not one person in, what, a few thousand, ever noticed it? It never rose to the level of attention for any of us? Did anyone see when the gorilla walked across the playing field? I think I'm going to go watch a few episodes of the TV series 'Brain Games'.
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That's the same reason why everyone else didn't. |
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And doesn't freaking warn the operator that they are not running defaults. Seriously. Bad User Experience... to quote the UX guys here at work, "That's just poor design". Scott, as a volunteer I will do my best to find and patch any bugs in the FMS I can. Wait, I can't. Because for some asinine reason it is proprietary and closed source. Oh, and in place of open communication protocols and COTS parts it uses closed protocols and expensive parts most people can't get. I guess that is just a microcosm of FIRST itself. |
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As previous people have pointed out, FIRST is a massive organization with extremely bright people, and a decent amount of money and sponsors. They are capable of holding an incredible number of competitions and organizing the massive championship event in St. Louis, and other fantastic accomplishments, but they can't seem to test the FMS, the magical closed source networking nightmare of complexity.
If FIRST had set up a field, and played 10 matches with boxes on wheels robots, they would have noticed a significant number, if not all, of these problems. If FIRST doesn't have the resources to do this (which would be surprising...), then they need to be transparent about it. Letting the FRC community know would only help. They still haven't acknowledged any of the FMS issues. |
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By that time the GDC cannot make large changes to the game without ticking off lots of people (see last year's rain of discs) Simple playing of the game with Kitbots would have revealed many of these issues. And a dose of common sense (read as having EVER been part of an FRC team) would likely do a lot of good too. Of course, not trying to shoehorn political crap into a game MIGHT also help. (rant about coopertition bridge here) |
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Perhaps taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture might help too...
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There would be less to fix if more testing was done already by that time. This isn't a dig just a question of accumulating risk. I wonder if it's possible for MAR to get a field and spare parts a little earlier so there's more time to test ourselves so we can report obvious issues instead of falling over them. |
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Or are you going to say we should sit around, hold hands, and sing songs because this is all a bunch of volunteers? |
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More importantly, why are we playing on an untested FMS in a game where "what happens if the only scoring object for an alliance becomes stuck in a disabled robot?" was an afterthought? Quote:
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Something is very, VERY wrong. |
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OK Folks: Everyone take a deep breath, and wait several hours before clicking "Submit Reply" button. Don't post something you'll want to un-post later.
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