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myork

16-03-2014 21:22

Tool to Find Matches Decided by Fouls

With all the chatter about how insane foul points are this year, here's a tool that shows all the matches where foul points decide the match

http://public.tableausoftware.com/vi...lay_count= no

MARS_James

16-03-2014 21:27

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Just as an FYI i just checked my team (179) and Match 40 of Orlando we lost due to foul points, but the chart shows different

M. Lillis

16-03-2014 21:30

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Can anyone tell me why no information from NH Granite State District are available?

131 has data from their second event, but not GSD.

myork

16-03-2014 21:54

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Fixed! Thanks for the info!

It was a bad calculation: if the match would be a tie without foul points, it was previously counted as a "Not Decided by Fouls"

brandon.cottrell

19-03-2014 17:26

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1266, 2339, and 3328 won San Diego Qualifier #28 because of foul points.

myork

20-03-2014 12:33

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Brandon, the FRC Spy data (which is taken from twitter), says that 1266, 2339, and 3328 (the blue alliance) lost 90 to 53 and there were no fouls. You can verify here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/frcspy.php?

Cynette

20-03-2014 13:31

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Is there some way to indicate that a tie would have been won or lost because of the penalty? We (1511) had one of those in match 47 at the NY Tech Valley regional. Because ties are just lines at the axis, I can't tell if it has color.

Ether

20-03-2014 13:41

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Originally Posted by Cynette (Post 1361783)

Is there some way to indicate that a tie would have been won or lost because of the penalty? We (1511) had one of those in match 47 at the NY Tech Valley regional. Because ties are just lines at the axis, I can't tell if it has color.

Here's a complete list (well, as complete as the Twitter data anyway).

Mulcahy

20-03-2014 14:52

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Thank You. This is a great tool.

Hoover

20-03-2014 16:11

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This was working better yesterday. Now the MAR Mt Olive matches are not present.

Ether

20-03-2014 16:24

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 1361845)

This was working better yesterday. Now the MAR Mt Olive matches are not present.

The following NJFLA match outcomes were affected by foul points:

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3448        Sun, 02 Mar 2014 14:50:27 +0000        NJFLA        E        18        90        132

3495        Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:45:14 +0000        NJFLA        E        5        132        121

3540        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:27:30 +0000        NJFLA        Q        67        50        61

3556        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:56:45 +0000        NJFLA        Q        62        78        102

3634        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:35:37 +0000        NJFLA        Q        41        80        70

3637        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:31:13 +0000        NJFLA        Q        40        66        50

3682        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 14:25:48 +0000        NJFLA        Q        32        61        105

3693        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 14:10:47 +0000        NJFLA        Q        31        55        55

3714        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:34:11 +0000        NJFLA        Q        29        86        75

3722        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:21:15 +0000        NJFLA        Q        27        60        40

3757        Sat, 01 Mar 2014 12:14:39 +0000        NJFLA        Q        17        55        12

mwtidd

20-03-2014 16:48

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Originally Posted by M. Lillis (Post 1359913)

Can anyone tell me why no information from NH Granite State District are available?

131 has data from their second event, but not GSD.

Penalties per match can only be determined based on twitter data. GSD had issues both with their twitter feed and the webcast, so I'm assuming there was something up with the internet at the high school.

Looks like Groton also had issues with Twitter also. Shame they don't bring a hotspot into smaller events like this, as they've been running into this issue for several years now.

Ether

20-03-2014 19:03

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Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1361873)

Looks like Groton also had issues with Twitter also. Shame they don't bring a hotspot into smaller events like this...

How difficult would it be to simply store the data locally and make it available later?

Does anybody have contact info for the person(s) within FIRST who would have the authority to make this happen and might be open to such a change?

Madison

20-03-2014 19:11

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I'm curious to see which team(s) have been most affected by foul points. Which teams have lost the most matches due to fouls? Which teams have won the most due to fouls?

Hoover

20-03-2014 19:13

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Is it possible to compare this year to 2013? I remember some scores from last year with high foul counts. But I wasn't paying as much attention to when those were the cause of a loss. I know of at least one match last year when we lost because of it. There may have been others. This year I know there was only one such match for us so far. For that reason I am starting to question how much different this year is than last year.

Ether

20-03-2014 20:53

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Originally Posted by Madison (Post 1361916)

I'm curious to see which team(s) have been most affected by foul points. Which teams have lost the most matches due to fouls? Which teams have won the most due to fouls?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=49

George Nishimura

20-03-2014 21:12

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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1361958)

If you can think of a better way to present this let me know. I haven't thoroughly cross-checked it yet.

A suggestion:

Even if some of these are from elimination matches, you could organize it as a qualifications-like league table:

Team WfL TfL LfW LfT TfW TfL Points

Where XfY is X from Y (eg WfL is Win from Loss) in number of games, and points is the cumulative points change (eg a WfL will give you +2, a TfL = +1, and a LfW = -2).

It could also be more useful to separate it in to two tables, with one dedicated to benefits (ie points gained) and the other to costs (ie points lost).

Ether

20-03-2014 21:17

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moved foul point analysis here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1362035

George Nishimura

20-03-2014 21:46

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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1361968)

I replaced the PDF with a spreadsheet:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1361958

I think all the other info you're looking for is in this spreadsheet:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1361812

Cheers!

On first glance, it seems 245, 399 and 4776 (-10) have been hurt the most, while 4500 (+12) has benefitted from foul points the most. (Not quite useful analysis so far)

Ether

20-03-2014 22:21

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moved foul point analysis here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh....php?p=1362035

ThunderousPrime

20-03-2014 23:34

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The site appears to be down as of 11:33PM EST 3/20

myork

22-03-2014 01:06

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You hit the site during an upgrade!

myork

22-03-2014 01:08

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Hoover, it's possible to do that comparison, but it's a low priority on my long todo list.

myork

22-03-2014 01:10

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This shows the net benefit for every team due to fouls:

http://public.tableausoftware.com/pr...BenefitByFouls

You can filter by event

Ether

22-03-2014 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 1361917)

Is it possible to compare this year to 2013?

Here's the 2013 analysis. You can compare it to the 2014 YTD analysis here.

mizscience

28-03-2014 16:13

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Wasn't sure where to post this, but I'm pretty sure this is the ultimate example of a match decided by foul points... (taken today at the Greater DC Regional).

http://imgur.com/zz7mss1

Monochron

28-03-2014 17:01

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The NC Regional Champions were decided by foul points. The last match of the finals had a Technical foul that decided the match. I heard that it was a dubious "possession of opponents ball" foul, but I never confirmed it.

I was rooting for 900 and the other teams that won though, they stuck with their alliance partner who seemed to be having over-heating issues and were made up of some real diamonds in the rough. It was an exciting Finals either way.

brandon.cottrell

28-03-2014 18:11

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Originally Posted by myork (Post 1361770)

The score that was announced was that. We were bummed because we thought we were going to have a winning streak. But later on someone came up to us and said that they changed the score. According to this we won.

Keep in mind that since FRCSpy is updated live, a lot of scores may not be exact due to contestments.

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