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Steven Donow 28-03-2014 06:57
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1365895)
I think he took out Chairman's award winners since they qualify already. Explains why 3467 and 558 are two of the teams not included.
Good observation, my bad.

mwtidd 28-03-2014 07:19
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1365895)
I think he took out Chairman's award winners since they qualify already. Explains why 3467 and 558 are two of the teams not included.
Yeah, sorry bout that.

Congrats to 78, 3467, 558, 2648, 811, and 1100 on their DCA wins!

scaryone 28-03-2014 12:38
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1365697)
I broke the teams into 10 segments based on first event percentiles. Then took the average % delta of teams in each segment that had competed in 2 events. I then used that % delta to estimate the event 2 scores for teams yet to compete.

Congrats to all the DCA winners already in!

Here are the top 59 based on these calculations:

Code:
rank        team        score
1        58        140
2        177        138
3        176        138
4        2877        121
5        1519        120
6        1991        118
7        236        118
8        4564        115
9        131        115
10        195        114
11        237        114
12        716        112
13        5122        111
14        319        107
15        4761        106
16        138        104
17        230        103
18        4555        100
19        133        96
20        228        94
21        4958        93
22        175        90
23        2168        90
24        125        90
25        166        90
26        4473        89
27        2067        88
28        172        88
29        190        85
30        999        81
31        5112        80
32        3930        77
33        4908        76
34        178        75
35        4909        75
36        4048        75
37        1786        75
38        97        75
39        4055        73
40        2084        72
41        1517        70
42        61        69
43        3525        68
44        1071        68
45        2064        63
46        1735        62
47        1699        61
48        3597        59
49        1058        59
50        3323        59
51        1099        59
52        348        59
53        213        58
54        1350        57
55        95        57
56        246        57
57        1073        57
58        3718        56
59        5163        56
Looks good to me ;)

TD78 28-03-2014 12:43
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1365899)
Yeah, sorry bout that.

Congrats to 78, 3467, 558, 2648, 811, and 1100 on their DCA wins!
What do you get when you add all those DCA teams in? Because not all of the DCA teams are going to earn a DCMP CA, and if they want to go to WCMP, the robot will need to qualify on points.

mwtidd 28-03-2014 13:33
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TD78 (Post 1365973)
What do you get when you add all those DCA teams in? Because not all of the DCA teams are going to earn a DCMP CA, and if they want to go to WCMP, the robot will need to qualify on points.
This is what I had for those teams:

Code:
        78        121
        3467        119
        558        107
        2648        93
        811        68
        1100        67
I think it's kinda cool that it appears they all would have made it into the DCMP with points alone.

Bill_B 28-03-2014 13:58
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Why the top 59? I was under the impression that NE DCMP was 54 teams. Or 45 after the 9 DCAs were considered.

It's true that the actual point totals should be carried forward even for the DCA qualifiers so that they are in the running for qualification to CMP.

Any among the *'d teams ready to pass on their likely invitation to Boston? ;)

MikeE 31-03-2014 12:16
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_B (Post 1366003)
Why the top 59? I was under the impression that NE DCMP was 54 teams. Or 45 after the 9 DCAs were considered.
There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.

Back to the original thread topic.
After Week 5 my calculations show the 54th ranked team at 58 points, with 32 teams below that threshold still to play their second scoring event at PineTree.

Nathan Streeter 01-04-2014 11:58
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
My predicted cut-off to make it to DCMP has risen to 62-64pts after the Week 5 districts! That said, the next 10 teams (down to #64) all have at least 57 points... I don't think anyone really knows how far down the list teams will end up being invited (due to declines above #54), but I personally wouldn't be surprised if it gets down below #64 on the list.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeE (Post 1367177)
There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.
While some of these teams may choose not to attend DCMP (I understand reasoning behind that), I don't think other teams should make these Hall of Fame and Original & Sustaining Teams feel like they should opt out of DCMP (an attitude that they should sit out from other teams seems pretty darn un-GP in my opinion!). The District Championship is designed to have the best-of-the-best from New England... it only seems appropriate that these excellent NE teams be at the best NE competition!

That said, if a HOF or O&S Team decides to opt-out of DCMP despite qualifying for it for other personal reasons (i.e. saving money for CMP registration), then I definitely understand. What I absolutely don't want is for these 5 excellent, historic teams to be pushed out of their spots at DCMP because they are concerned about a selfish attitude other teams have.

As a side-note, 2 of the HOF or O&S teams are projected to be below the 54-team cut-off.

As another side-note, I'm in no way criticizing MikeE even though I quoted his post. It seems to me like he was just explaining why 59 teams may have been selected.

mwtidd 01-04-2014 12:38
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeE (Post 1367177)
There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.

Back to the original thread topic.
After Week 5 my calculations show the 54th ranked team at 58 points, with 32 teams below that threshold still to play their second scoring event at PineTree.
It's actually far simpler than that. I wanted to do top 60 but then realized that the 60th team fell into another point bracket. So 59 seemed good enough :).

As points were estimated for many of the teams, I wanted to leave some buffer.

MikeE 01-04-2014 15:38
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter (Post 1367829)
As another side-note, I'm in no way criticizing MikeE even though I quoted his post. It seems to me like he was just explaining why 59 teams may have been selected.[/size]
I'm definitely not above criticism but Nathan is correct that the purpose of my post was to give a possible explanation for 59 teams in the list, although even there lineskier has shown I was wrong!

I agree that it would be awesome to see the best 54 teams in New England compete in Boston* so I'm absolutely not suggesting that any pre-qualified World Championship teams should skip the event, although I believe some have already decided to do so for financial/logistic reasons.

* Based on proportion of teams attending, the average qualification match at the New England Championship should be as competitive as a typical semi-final match at a District event, and arguably better. How crazy is that?

Samwaldo 01-04-2014 16:04
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
It feels wierd being so close to the edge right now (50th). Very frightening in fact. Its our best performing robot ever and the last for me.

Being so close to the edge, i feel that the cut off will be very close to 61pts! (We are 59pts) This makes me all the more curious, are you OR have you heard of another team that will be declining an invite?

mwtidd 01-04-2014 19:47
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Same algorithm, new ranks.

63 points to clinch.

Code:
        Team        score        dca
1        3467        148        DCA
2        78        121        DCA
3        558        107        DCA
4        2648        93        DCA
5        2067        88        DCA
6        811        68        DCA
7        1100        67        DCA
8        1058        65        DCA
9        58        139       
10        4564        133       
11        5122        130       
12        177        129       
13        319        124       
14        1519        120       
15        4555        117       
16        131        115       
17        133        115       
18        195        114       
19        176        111       
20        2877        110       
21        166        107       
22        172        104       
23        138        104       
24        230        103       
25        236        95       
26        1991        93       
27        175        90       
28        2168        90       
29        125        90       
30        1071        90       
31        4473        89       
32        237        88       
33        190        85       
34        3930        83       
35        4908        80       
36        5112        80       
37        716        79       
38        178        75       
39        4909        75       
40        4048        75       
41        5129        74       
42        4055        73       
43        4761        72       
44        1517        70       
45        61        69       
46        5000        68       
47        228        67       
48        246        66       
49        69        66       
50        1073        64       
51        4958        63       
52        2064        63       
53        2084        63       
54        3525        63

Jay O'Donnell 01-04-2014 19:51
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lineskier (Post 1368112)
Same algorithm, new ranks.

63 points to clinch.

Code:
        Team        score       
1        3467        148        DCA
2        78        121        DCA
3        558        107        DCA
4        2648        93        DCA
5        2067        88        DCA
6        811        68        DCA
7        1100        67        DCA
8        1058        65        DCA
9        58        167       
10        4564        135       
11        5122        130       
12        177        129       
13        319        128       
14        1519        120       
15        4555        117       
16        131        115       
17        133        115       
18        195        114       
19        176        111       
20        2877        110       
21        166        107       
22        172        104       
23        138        104       
24        230        103       
25        1786        47       
26        236        95       
27        1991        93       
28        175        90       
29        2168        90       
30        125        90       
31        4473        89       
32        237        88       
33        1071        90       
34        190        85       
35        4908        80       
36        5112        80       
37        716        79       
38        178        75       
39        4909        75       
40        4048        75       
41        5129        74       
42        4055        73       
43        4761        72       
44        1517        70       
45        61        69       
46        5000        68       
47        228        67       
48        246        66       
49        69        66       
50        1073        64       
51        4958        63       
52        2064        63       
53        2084        63       
54        3525        63       
55        1735        62       
56        1699        61       
57        999        60       
58        3323        59       
59        1099        59       
60        348        59       
61        1153        59
Why is 1786 randomly in 25th? (higher than they should be)

mwtidd 01-04-2014 20:09
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1368115)
Why is 1786 randomly in 25th? (higher than they should be)
Because excel is crazy like that, and sometimes opts not to sort appropriately :). Fixed it in the post.

Steve Kaneb 01-04-2014 22:13
Re: [NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samwaldo (Post 1367990)
Being so close to the edge, i feel that the cut off will be very close to 61pts! (We are 59pts) This makes me all the more curious, are you OR have you heard of another team that will be declining an invite?
FRC190 is not going to attend the DCMP. Our structure and financial situation makes it easiest to plan for Worlds instead, and we'll be going there every year. We took the opportunity to do an "away event" this year (Alamo) in addition to our two district events.


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