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Hallry 18-03-2014 22:51
Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
Posted on the FRC Manual site, 3/18/2014: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/Updates/0#term 176

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Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18

Game Manual

General Announcements

As a follow up to last week’s Team Update, Team Update 2014-03-11, we strongly encourage all teams to replace any 2013, white Clippard tanks distributed via FIRST Choice last year. For Teams attending remaining events this season FIRST will supply new Clippard AVT-PP-35 tanks for trade at no cost to Teams. Please understand that these are not tanks to be used as “spares” – they are only to be traded for the 2013 white Clippard tanks that are currently on your Robot.

If you’re using the white Clippard tanks on your Robot, please check in with the Inspectors at your event as we’re having new tanks shipped to their attention.

For those teams that will not be attending any more events this season, did not participate in Clippard’s trade program last year, and are thus still using the 2013 white Clippard tanks, please contact frcparts@usfirst.org and we work with you to trade tanks after the 2014 FIRST Championship.

We’d like to thank Clippard Instruments Laboratory, Inc. for their rapid response to the tank concerns last year and for their continued support to mitigate safety concerns. They have been a long-time, generous Supplier to the FIRST Robotics Competition, and their generosity is greatly appreciated.

Section 3.1.2: MATCH Logistics
If an ALLIANCE’S BALL becomes stuck in or permanently trapped by an ALLIANCE’S ROBOT, the ALLIANCE may signal to the Head Referee that the BALL is “dead” by holding the yellow “DEAD BALL” placard against the DRIVER STATION acrylic.

If an ALLIANCE’S BALL becomes stuck in or permanently trapped by an opposing ALLIANCE’S ROBOT, the Head Referee will signal an extended infraction of G12 (the assumption is that the ALLIANCE has already been penalized for the initial G12 infraction).

Section 3.2.3: General Rules
G12

An ALLIANCE may not POSSESS their opponent’s BALLS. The following criteria define POSSESSION:
  1. “carrying” (moving while supporting BALLS in or on the ROBOT or holding the BALL in or on the ROBOT),
  2. “herding” (repeated pushing or bumping),
  3. “launching” (impelling BALLS to a desired location or direction via a MECHANISM in motion relative to the ROBOT), or
  4. “trapping” (overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them).

Violation: FOUL, if unintentional and inconsequential (i.e. does not significantly impact MATCH play). TECHNICAL FOUL per consequential instance. TECHNICAL FOUL per extended instance. If extended, another TECHNICAL FOUL. If strategic, RED CARD for the ALLIANCE.



Section 4.1: General ROBOT Design
R1

Each registered FRC team may enter only one (1) ROBOT (or ‘Robot’, which to a reasonably astute observer, is a Robot built for FRC) into the 2014 FRC. A Robot is any The ROBOT must be built by the FRC Team to perform specific tasks when competing in AERIAL ASSIST. The ROBOT must include all of the basic systems required to be an active participant in the game – power, communications, control, and mobility. The ROBOT implementation must obviously follow a design approach intended to play AERIAL ASSIST (e.g. a box of unassembled parts placed on the FIELD, or a ROBOT designed to play a different game would not satisfy this definition).

Section 4.8 Power Distribution
R31

The only legal source of electrical energy for the ROBOT during the competition, the ROBOT battery, is one of the following approved 12VDC non-spillable lead acid batteries:
  1. Enersys (P/N: NP18-12)
  2. MK Battery (P/N: ES17-12)
  3. Battery Mart (P/N: SLA-12V18)
  4. Sigma (P/N: SP12-18)
  5. Universal Battery (P/N: UB12180)
  6. Power Patrol (P/N: SLA1116)
  7. Werker Battery (P/N: WKA12-18NB)
  8. Power Sonic (P/N: PS-12180 NB)
  9. Yuasa (P/N: NP18-12B)
  10. Panasonic LC-RD-1217
  11. Interstate Batteries BSL1116
  12. Enersys (P/N: NP18-12BFR)
  13. Enersys (P/N: NP18-12B)

Exception: Batteries integral to and part of a COTS computing device or self-contained camera are also permitted (e.g. laptop batteries), provided they’re only used to power the COTS computing device and any peripheral COTS USB input devices connected to the COTS computing device and they must be securely fastened to the ROBOT.


To seek approval for an equivalent battery, please contact frcparts@usfirst.org with the battery supplier and part number. Approved batteries will be added to the list above.

Nyle 18-03-2014 23:01
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
Anyone know what caused the change to R1? I assume there was a specific robot/thread/Q&A question that caused it, but I can’t think of any that would have.

fb39ca4 18-03-2014 23:07
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
I wonder why they added more approved batteries in the middle of the season. Maybe there is a shortage of the other models?

mman1506 18-03-2014 23:08
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by Nyle (Post 1361102)
Anyone know what caused the change to R1? I assume there was a specific robot/thread/Q&A question that caused it, but I can’t think of any that would have.
It might be because of the withholding allowance change to prevent teams from bringing whole practice robots.

maths222 18-03-2014 23:08
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QA for R1: https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...r-pit-will-thi

MrTechCenter 18-03-2014 23:12
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I'm glad they changed the rule on possessing opponents' balls. Our alliances have gotten technicals for "trapping" on a few occasions, but usually the technical was not the biggest factor in the score for those matches.

Pault 18-03-2014 23:28
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by maths222 (Post 1361108)
I'm not sure that's it. This team does not plan to enter the robot into competition, only put it on display.


Well, at least this update is some progress. I was hoping for more... but I was also kind of expecting nothing.

Bill_B 18-03-2014 23:33
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Looks like they are no longer accepting suggestions about what could be a legal battery this year. My suggestion apparently did not make to the approved list.

Kevin Sevcik 18-03-2014 23:39
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by Pault (Post 1361113)
I'm not sure that's it. This team does not plan to enter the robot into competition, only put it on display.


Well, at least this update is some progress. I was hoping for more... but I was also kind of expecting nothing.
They may not have been planning on entering it, but bringing it into the pits raises a huge load of question about witholding allowances, etc. And whether they could enter that robot in the event their competition robot, say, explodes before it ever sees an inspector.

On the other hand, I heard tell of a rookie team that apparently had a serious misunderstanding and showed up with a Vex bot that pretty clearly had little or nothing to do with Aerial Assist.

geomapguy 18-03-2014 23:50
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1361118)
On the other hand, I heard tell of a rookie team that apparently had a serious misunderstanding and showed up with a Vex bot that pretty clearly had little or nothing to do with Aerial Assist.
what even

Christopher149 18-03-2014 23:51
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1361118)
On the other hand, I heard tell of a rookie team that apparently had a serious misunderstanding and showed up with a Vex bot that pretty clearly had little or nothing to do with Aerial Assist.
Just a Vex bot :confused:

If they had one along with the competition bot and inspectors thought it counted as "parts" or something, that might also be messed up.

Whippet 19-03-2014 00:02
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1361118)
On the other hand, I heard tell of a rookie team that apparently had a serious misunderstanding and showed up with a Vex bot that pretty clearly had little or nothing to do with Aerial Assist.
Could anyone with more information please elaborate on this? I'm genuinely baffled as to how a team could pay the $5,00 entry fee and not even think to look at the game. There must be some rational explanation.

cgmv123 19-03-2014 00:05
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by fb39ca4 (Post 1361106)
I wonder why they added more approved batteries in the middle of the season. Maybe there is a shortage of the other models?
A team thought those models were equivalent batteries and asked FIRST if they agreed, just like the blue box said before it was removed (which I don't get).

fox46 19-03-2014 00:50
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1361129)
Could anyone with more information please elaborate on this? I'm genuinely baffled as to how a team could pay the $5,00 entry fee and not even think to look at the game. There must be some rational explanation.
Could whoever the OP heard this from have been talking about a rookie team bringing only a minibot to the Logomotion competition? This could be plausible as the minibots could be shared among teams if I remember correctly and were they not made out of VEX (Tetrix) components?

Whippet 19-03-2014 01:26
Re: Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2014-03-18
 
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Originally Posted by fox46 (Post 1361149)
Could whoever the OP heard this from have been talking about a rookie team bringing only a minibot to the Logomotion competition? This could be plausible as the minibots could be shared among teams if I remember correctly and were they not made out of VEX (Tetrix) components?
They were, but OP specifically referred to Aerial Assist, so it must have been this year.


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