Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1363894)

Iin AZ there is a tax credit system in place for donors. If you donate 200 if single and 400 if married ,you get the amount back dollar for dollar. For many in AZ 500 dollars is not that big an incentive. I can't speak for anyone else but we raise over 10 thousand a year in tax credits. Money is never an incentive for us to throw our morals out of the way. We were doing it for the challenge. We always try to take on the challenge Steve Sanghi puts out to us each year. Maybe he should not offer any money based on how everyone is out of sorts or maybe he should donate the money to a charity so that everyone could relax. There was no big conspiracy or underhandedness. It was just a challenge. A public challenge, everyone one in attendance knew it. He never told anyone to not play defense, that was a decision that both alliances came to on their own. Maybe it would have been better if the challenge were different like giving both alliances $500 if all balls were scored in autonomous. Thant way no one would have to give up anything. That was more along the lines of the type of challenge he has done before. Maybe that is why no one thought any different for this challenge?

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1363896)

But then why wait till money was involved? Why not do it any other time? That was the only thing that changed from doing it in any other match.

Originally Posted by Dave McLaughlin (Post 1363881)

Do you think that all teams involved would have agreed to attempt this "challenge" if there were no monetary incentives attached to completing it?

Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1363901)

The offer stood for every match in the regional including qualifying so money was technically involved throughout the whole competition. It only happened in the last match because every team agreed to try and beat the challenge as a sub goal.

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1363905)

Oh ok, didnt know when the offer was put forth. But then the question begs, why was the monetary incentive needed to try to do that? If it would have happened without the money, then why was the money introduced? If it only would have happened with the money, then there's your answer.

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1363896)

But then why wait till money was involved? Why not do it any other time? That was the only thing that changed from doing it in any other match.

Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1363912)

I don't know, I wasn't in the decision making process between the two alliances. But I would guess that the blue alliance figured they were going to lose anyway and wanted to take Steve up on his challenge. If it was purely for the money I would guess it would have been done earlier in the tournament. Even though there was money attached, I truly believe they all did it for the challenge, the wanted to meet Steves challenge, money be damned. The Blue alliance wanted to go out with a bang and they almost pulled it off. Actually now that I am thinking about it, all this discussion is kind of a bang....

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1363913)

Im not limiting this to the Finals, as someone before has said, this challenge was throughout the regional.

Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1363919)

No one did before because the money was not an incentive, that is the only reason I can come with...The challenge only became a reality when the it was the last time available to achieve it. I guess the two alliances wanted to take a real shot at it.

Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1363901)

The offer stood for every match in the regional including qualifying so money was technically involved throughout the whole competition. It only happened in the last match because every team agreed to try and beat the challenge as a sub goal.

Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1363919)

No one did before because the money was not an incentive, that is the only reason I can come with...The challenge only became a reality when the it was the last time available to achieve it. I guess the two alliances wanted to take a real shot at it.

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1363924)

These things dont match. Either the money was always there or it wasnt. And if the money wasnt an incentive, why did no one else do it for the other 97 matches?

Originally Posted by falconmaster (Post 1363919)

No one did before because the money was not an incentive, that is the only reason I can come with...The challenge only became a reality when the it was the last time available to achieve it. I guess the two alliances wanted to take a real shot at it.

Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1363929)

I believe he meant more about the robots actually being able to score 200 points on both side. If you really think about it the 2 best alliances in the final couldn't pull it off so the odds of doing it for another random match isn't really realistic.